David Ortiz Played His Last Game of Baseball Tonight

[Djgb13 2,338]

One of the best clutch hitters of all time and one of my favorite baseball players. Farewell Papi. The Red Sox and baseball itself will never be the same without you.

 

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=17766943&sf38548227=1

[jerryskids 5,198]

Did the South Carolina Red Sox get swept?

[bandrus1 413]

Ped maskers all closed up shop tonight. It was a good run

[BufordT 371]

One less juicer

[drobeski 3,061]

Clutch

[CantTouchThis 23]

I'm still in shock from that grand slam he hit against the Tigers.

[Cruzer 1,992]

So what was the official story - did Ortiz juice for real or not?

[edjr 5,563]

So what was the official story - did Ortiz juice for real or not?

 

of course he did.

 

but he is loved by the media, so they won't mention it and he will make it into the HOF

 

most clutch hitter that ever lived as far as I am concerned. Us Red Sox fans owe him everything. Was a pleasure watching him play for 14 years. GOAT DH

 

Thank you Minnesota

 

Thank you David Ortiz

[Cruzer 1,992]

 

of course he did.

 

but he is loved by the media, so they won't mention it and he will make it into the HOF

He could be just the player that finally knocks down the door for Bonds, Manny, Palmeiro and the rest. Bcoz of Papi gets in, and juiced - how do they keep those other guys out?

[edjr 5,563]

He could be just the player that finally knocks down the door for Bonds, Manny, Palmeiro and the rest. Bcoz of Papi gets in, and juiced - how do they keep those other guys out?

 

How do they now?

 

Frank Thomas, Craig Biggio and Mike Piazza, all have been voted in the last few years.

 

How on earth can anyone say unequivocally they never juiced?

[crackattack 513]

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Ortiz never failed a drug test for a banned substance tho

[Cruzer 1,992]

 

How do they now?

 

Frank Thomas, Craig Biggio and Mike Piazza, all have been voted in the last few years.

 

How on earth can anyone say unequivocally they never juiced?

Good point.. Pudge is coming up too - no way in hell he didn't juice. But he'll get in.

[drobeski 3,061]

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Ortiz never failed a drug test for a banned substance tho

they hate him because he's great, it's the Brady effect

[edjr 5,563]

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Ortiz never failed a drug test for a banned substance tho

 

stop it.

 

all you need to know is he's from the focking dominican and worked out with Angel Presinal.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

stop it.

 

all you need to know is he's from the focking dominican and worked out with Angel Presinal.

a failed drug test would help.

Besides, what PED gives you clutch hitting ?

[hoytdwow 202]

He "failed" a test in 2003, the year before the new testing rules went into effect.

 

Essentially, the 2003 survey testing was more of an informal gauge to track PED usage before 2004, when a more comprehensive drug testing program was implemented. And, according to Manfred, a positive result didn’t necessarily mean that player was using a banned substance. “Even if Rob Manfred’s name was on that list,” Manfred said, “he might have been one of those 10 or 15 where there was probably or at least possibly a very legitimate explanation that did not involve the use of a banned substance. … “Back then, it was hard to distinguish between certain substances that were legal — available over the counter and not banned under our program — and certain banned substances.

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[crackattack 513]

 

stop it.

 

all you need to know is he's from the focking dominican and worked out with Angel Presinal.

Then why has he never failed a test for a banned substance? I'm all for busting juicers, but you can't speculate. He either failed the tests the MLB put in place or he didn't. And ortiz didn't. Plain and simple.

[crackattack 513]

He "failed" a test in 2003, the year before the new testing rules went into effect.

 

 

"Back then, it was hard to distinguish between certain substances that were legal available over the counter and not banned under our program and certain banned substances".

 

Not very reliable.

[edjr 5,563]

Then why has he never failed a test for a banned substance? I'm all for busting juicers, but you can't speculate. He either failed the tests the MLB put in place or he didn't. And ortiz didn't. Plain and simple.

 

 

How about a 1.021 OPS at the age of 40?

 

How many players have done that other than Papi and Bonds?

 

Bonds didn't fail a test either.

[crackattack 513]

 

 

How about a 1.021 OPS at the age of 40?

 

How many players have done that other than Papi and Bonds?

 

Bonds didn't fail a test either.

If Bonds passed all the tests MLB put in place, then so be it. They have to prove they cheated. Arod is a proven cheat, Ortiz is not.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,631]

Greatest waiver wire pick up ever?

[edjr 5,563]

Greatest waiver wire pick up ever?

 

Without a doubt.\

 

there is no way he magically turned into a HOF after leaving the Twins, without some "help"

 

TWINKS

1997 .802 OPS

1998 .817 OPS

1999 - 0 for 20 in the bigs

2000 .810 OPS

2001 .799 OPS

2002 .839 OPS

Red Sox

2003 - .961 OPS (meets manny and nomar)

2004 - .983 OPS

2005 - 1.001 OPS

2006 - 1.049 OPS

2007 - 1.066 OPS

2008 - .877 OPS (most fans see the writing on the wall as do the Red Sox, only offering him short conracts)

2009 - .744 OPS (its all over for big papi)

2010 - .899 OPS

2011 - .953 OPS

2012 - 1.026 OPS

2013 - .959 OPS

2014 - .873 OPS

2015 - .913 OPS

2016 - 1.021 OPS

 

 

just doesn't add up, sorry folks

[patweisers44 697]

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Ortiz never failed a drug test for a banned substance tho

Niether did Lance Armstrong. Different sport, but same concept. Better chemists keeping him ahead of the game.

[TD Ryan2 314]

 

Without a doubt.\

 

there is no way he magically turned into a HOF after leaving the Twins, without some "help"

 

TWINKS

1997 .802 OPS

1998 .817 OPS

1999 - 0 for 20 in the bigs

2000 .810 OPS

2001 .799 OPS

2002 .839 OPS

Red Sox

2003 - .961 OPS (meets manny and nomar)

2004 - .983 OPS

2005 - 1.001 OPS

2006 - 1.049 OPS

2007 - 1.066 OPS

2008 - .877 OPS (most fans see the writing on the wall as do the Red Sox, only offering him short conracts)

2009 - .744 OPS (its all over for big papi)

2010 - .899 OPS

2011 - .953 OPS

2012 - 1.026 OPS

2013 - .959 OPS

2014 - .873 OPS

2015 - .913 OPS

2016 - 1.021 OPS

 

 

just doesn't add up, sorry folks

 

edjr - I would not be surprised to hear that Ortiz (or anyone) was using PED's... it's just the reality of sports today.

 

But the Twins example is flawed evidence - MIN was trying to force Ortiz to play "small ball", hit opposite field, move runners along, etc... they were simply asking him to hit/play in a way that didn't suit him.

 

Dominican Players (i.e. Pedro) knew what a force Ortiz could be and they knew he had tons of potential in the right environment - it's why Pedro lobbied Sox ownership so hard to sign Ortiz.

[edjr 5,563]

 

edjr - I would not be surprised to hear that Ortiz (or anyone) was using PED's... it's just the reality of sports today.

 

But the Twins example is flawed evidence - MIN was trying to force Ortiz to play "small ball", hit opposite field, move runners along, etc... they were simply asking him to hit/play in a way that didn't suit him.

 

Dominican Players (i.e. Pedro) knew what a force Ortiz could be and they knew he had tons of potential in the right environment - it's why Pedro lobbied Sox ownership so hard to sign Ortiz.

 

yet when he got here he didn't have a position and was platooned