weepaws 2,457 Posted September 20, 2017 No one was saying this in week 1. A 3 TD week and suddenly everyone has it figured out. Cooper has a higher ceiling and he's in his 3rd year.......so still learning. Like you mention Crabs is a better value than Cooper at this very moment. That could change quickly. Actually during this pass summer it was mention on this board many time that Crabtree was the better value pick. Many times. Still is and will finsh the season being still. You picked the wrong one, sorry. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 20, 2017 Crabtree is a nice WR, on the wrong side of 30. He may currently be better than Cooper but I'm not buying that he will remain better. What he did in college is irrelevant now, since it was about a decade ago. Cooper was one of the best in college too, just 3 years ago. Time is on his side. You need Carr to go down and maybe the backup will prefer Cooper. Carr isn't lookin at age and time. He's looking at Crabtree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted September 20, 2017 Awful lotta Crabtree fans in here who are very sure of how this is going to play out. Should be interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plasma george 52 Posted September 20, 2017 It's all about VBD. Our money league, brother took Cooper (3rd), Falcons TQB (4th), Olsen (5th). I took Patriots TQB (3rd), Kelse (4th), Crabtree (5th). Needless to say I'm #1 in points, 2-0, brother is quite a ways behind. Which combination would you rather have in a Money League ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted September 20, 2017 Awful lotta Crabtree fans in here who are very sure of how this is going to play out. Should be interesting. It's not fandom. It's a history of results and trends. Don't get it twisted. Just be sad quietly you're an Amari owner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted September 20, 2017 It's all about VBD. Our money league, brother took Cooper (3rd), Falcons TQB (4th), Olsen (5th). I took Patriots TQB (3rd), Kelse (4th), Crabtree (5th). Needless to say I'm #1 in points, 2-0, brother is quite a ways behind. Which combination would you rather have in a Money League ? The combination that has a TE that's playing. Everyone chimes in when they're doing well. Plenty of guys that aren't and you never hear from them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted September 20, 2017 It's not fandom. It's a history of results and trends. Don't get it twisted. Just be sad quietly you're an Amari owner. It's about adding superfluous posts in order to take a jab at someone. I give, you win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted September 20, 2017 Crabtree is turning a very nice profit and probably will be a draft day deal when all is said and done. Not sure how that specifically only detracts from Cooper. Plenty of WRs with a price tag similar to Cooper's are being outscored by Crabtree. Cooks? Baldwin? Hilton? Dez? DT? Pryor? Alshon? I think you could argue Cooper is a better bet than most of those guys to reach his numbers this year. Oakland has an elite offense and Cooper has a history of producing top 12 numbers. Will he exceed past production this year? So far it looks pretty much the same. But as has been pointed out, no one was crowing after week 1. And if Cooper comes down with an EZ look...think it ended up being flagged for PI and Crabtree caught the very next pass for a score.....giving him ~60 and a score vs. Crabtree's 80 and 2 scores, I doubt much is being made about Cooper. Take home message....investing in the Oakland offense was the way to go on draft day. These receivers are probably who they have been in the past, making Crabtree a bargain but both will be plenty useful for fantasy owners this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,578 Posted September 20, 2017 dude in my league offering Cooper for a RB2 I have Crabtree and Tyreek already, but I might just swing a deal to have them both Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plasma george 52 Posted September 20, 2017 The combination that has a TE that's playing. Everyone chimes in when they're doing well. Plenty of guys that aren't and you never hear from them You're missing the point. Regardless of injury, I'm showing you a better combination of players by selecting "other Raider WR" 3 rounds later, and getting a better QB and TE because of waiting for Crabtree. That's assuming Crabtree and Coopers numbers are equal, after 2 weeks Crabtree is winning over Cooper. So that's a better WR, QB and TE. Brady > Ryan Kelce > Olsen Crabtree > Cooper 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,578 Posted September 20, 2017 You're missing the point. Regardless of injury, I'm showing you a better combination of players by selecting "other Raider WR" 3 rounds later, and getting a better QB and TE because of waiting for Crabtree. That's assuming Crabtree and Coopers numbers are equal, after 2 weeks Crabtree is winning over Cooper. So that's a better WR, QB and TE. Brady > Ryan Kelce > Olsen Crabtree > Cooper you nailed it, can do it with mine as well Gronk, Crabtree, Hill I took Gronk over Cooper, knowing Crabtree would be there, I like my team way more than if I took Cooper and passed on Crabtree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted September 21, 2017 Awful lotta Crabtree fans in here who are very sure of how this is going to play out. Should be interesting. Crab has been Carr's binky since day 1. Seems like its an Issac Bruce/Torry Holt dynamic. Cooper will pass him in time, but Crabs career hit its prime late in his 20's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shaqking 1 Posted September 21, 2017 Indeed they do make a good wr1 amd wr2 combo on a ff team. I have them both in one of my leagues. the only thing that scares me is one will have a 20 point and the other a 3 pt game and that happen last week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smash-a-mus 6 Posted September 21, 2017 Oakland hasn't had to do much this past couple weeks for a win. I think once you see a shootout, you'll see Amari with the WR1 type numbers. I would target him as a buy low right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 1,879 Posted September 21, 2017 Oakland hasn't had to do much this past couple weeks for a win. I think once you see a shootout, you'll see Amari with the WR1 type numbers. I would target him as a buy low right now. Who is going to sell low on Cooper? And how low? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shutdown 40 Posted September 21, 2017 Cooper's Stats last 2 years 2016 83 1,153 13.9 5TD 2015 72 1,070 14.9 6TD Crabtree Stats last 2 years 2016 89 1,003 11.3 8TD 2015 85 922 10.8 9TD Why does this change substantially this year. Crabtree, draws a few more receptions, 3 more TD's and about 150 fewer yards. The difference between the two is nearly negligible. Why Cooper was going 2-3 rounds higher was beyond me. I suspect, barring injury, they'll finish this year with similar numbers as nothing has really changed with the situation of either one. There's no plausible reason not to project similar season stat lines for the two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted September 21, 2017 Why has this become a Cooper vs Crabtree thread? There's plenty to go around in that offense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 1,879 Posted September 21, 2017 Cooper's Stats last 2 years 2016 83 1,153 13.9 5TD 2015 72 1,070 14.9 6TD Crabtree Stats last 2 years 2016 89 1,003 11.3 8TD 2015 85 922 10.8 9TD Why does this change substantially this year. Crabtree, draws a few more receptions, 3 more TD's and about 150 fewer yards. The difference between the two is nearly negligible. Why Cooper was going 2-3 rounds higher was beyond me. I suspect, barring injury, they'll finish this year with similar numbers as nothing has really changed with the situation of either one. There's no plausible reason not to project similar season stat lines for the two. I'll take Crabtree as a WR2 or 3 and feel more confident in his weekly role. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shutdown 40 Posted September 21, 2017 Why has this become a Cooper vs Crabtree thread? There's plenty to go around in that offense I think that they go hand in hand because they limit each other. It's not like there's a WR1 and WR2 on this team. There are two WR 1.5's. And there is plenty to go around to keep them both as viable options, but they each limit the other from becoming top tier WR's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites