It’s ridiculous that it’s unconstitutional for AOC to run for pres.

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How many well off Dems / celebs will be willing to get rid of their luxury gas guzzling vehicles and private jets and start taking trains with the unwashed masses under the miraculous GND if AOC gets elected? 

Can't wait to see all the woke rap stars talking about their Leafs and Priuses.

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I suspect AOC is fairly shrewd. Or the people handling her are anyway.

Right now she says crazy sh!t because it gets her attention. That works for her.

If she were running for president, she would pivot and craft a more moderate message, at least slightly.

I think she'd stand an excellent chance of beating trump.

(And no, I would not vote for her.)

[lod001 1,235]

1 minute ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

I suspect AOC is fairly shrewd. Or the people handling her are anyway.

Right now she says crazy sh!t because it gets her attention. That works for her.

If she were running for president, she would pivot and craft a more moderate message, at least slightly.

I think she'd stand an excellent chance of beating trump.

(And no, I would not vote for her.)

I think she is borderline retarded. She has a following because they are all full blown retards.

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3 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

I suspect AOC is fairly shrewd. Or the people handling her are anyway.

Right now she says crazy sh!t because it gets her attention. That works for her.

If she were running for president, she would pivot and craft a more moderate message, at least slightly.

I think she'd stand an excellent chance of beating trump.

(And no, I would not vote for her.)

Her and any Socialist don’t stand any chance of being elected President.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Just now, lod001 said:

I think she is borderline retarded. She has a following because they are all full blown retards.

Possible. She's either borderline retarded, or she knows exactly what to say to pull the strings of borderline retards. I suspect it's a combination of the two, heavier on the latter. 

Some have said the same of trump. (I'm not saying that.)

At this stage of her career, she needs one thing first and foremost. Attention. She's getting that in spades. 

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Just now, Mr. Hand said:

Her and any Socialist don’t stand any chance of being elected President.

I heard you guys whine for years that Obama was both a socialist and a Muslim terrorist sympathizer, and he won, convincingly, twice. 

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1 minute ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Possible. She's either borderline retarded, or she knows exactly what to say to pull the strings of borderline retards. I suspect it's a combination of the two, heavier on the latter. 

Some have said the same of trump. (I'm not saying that.)

At this stage of her career, she needs one thing first and foremost. Attention. She's getting that in spades. 

The attention she’s getting isn’t good. HTH

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Just now, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

I heard you guys whine for years that Obama was both a socialist and a Muslim terrorist sympathizer, and he won, convincingly, twice. 

Wrong

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Just now, Mr. Hand said:

The attention she’s getting isn’t good. HTH

First off, I think AOC is a dangerous moron. So please don't think I'm a fan.

But she is following a left version of the trump playbook. Good ole PT Barnum "all publicity is good publicity."

By the time she's ready for a run, she will have large following, and people will largely be desensitized to her crazy."

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2 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

First off, I think AOC is a dangerous moron. So please don't think I'm a fan.

But she is following a left version of the trump playbook. Good ole PT Barnum "all publicity is good publicity."

By the time she's ready for a run, she will have large following, and people will largely be desensitized to her crazy."

She won’t have a large following. The majority of this country don’t want Socialism. The more she opens her mouth the worse it gets for Democrats in 2020. 

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Hand said:

Wrong

what is wrong here?  

can't believe this thread is still going on..we all agreed...she is too young..min age should probably be higher.  I listened to some conservative station driving thru MD and PA today..the one Rush is on, but he had a fill in...anyway they are all obsessed with her, can't stop talking about her.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Hand said:

She won’t have a large following. The majority of this country don’t want Socialism. The more she opens her mouth the worse it gets for Democrats in 2020. 

Oh, I generally agree.

The Democrats had a simple playbook to beat trump in 2020. They chose to double down on the stupid instead.

I strongly suspect they will lose. I've already made several hundreds of dollars of bets with libs that trump gets reelected.

If my vote resided in a state that matters, id likely cast it for trump.

The fact that they will have lost twice to a candidate as bigly flawed as trump shows how focked that party is. 

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Everything she says is just made up garbage.  It’s just all factually wrong.  Not even worth my time.

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5 minutes ago, Mr. Hand said:

She won’t have a large following. The majority of this country don’t want Socialism. The more she opens her mouth the worse it gets for Democrats in 2020. 

Keep letting the stupid breed and the leftist following will overtake those of us with common sense.

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4 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

what is wrong here?  

can't believe this thread is still going on..we all agreed...she is too young..min age should probably be higher.  I listened to some conservative station driving thru MD and PA today..the one Rush is on, but he had a fill in...anyway they are all obsessed with her, can't stop talking about her.

Yep, the more she is talked about the worse it becomes for the Democrats. Pelosi knows she can’t be the face of the party. The more AOC opens her mouth the better the chances are for Republicans in 2020.

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55 minutes ago, Mr. Hand said:

Yep, the more she is talked about the worse it becomes for the Democrats. Pelosi knows she can’t be the face of the party. The more AOC opens her mouth the better the chances are for Republicans in 2020.

I just think she is being talked about more by conservatives

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17 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

I just think she is being talked about more by conservatives

I suggest you read the news and see the disruption she is causing in her own party.

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9 hours ago, supermike80 said:

I already said  80% of blacks, 98% of latinos---WAY more women than I think you believe.    Thats HUGE right there...

I'm glad you walked back from 80% of women, that's just crazy.  And it would be WAY fewer women than you think.  0 conservative women.  All she appeals to is the extreme SJWs who make a lot of noise on social media.  Independents would see a term or two of prosperity vs her message and vote the other way.

80% of Latinos? You dont know them.  I'm in Mexico and we just bought some fresh seafood from a roadside stand.  A drunk guy approached us asking for money.  The stand owner said "dont listen to him, he is just going to buy alcohol.  There are jobs, why not work?" They are a proud people who work hard for an honest day's wage, like Democrats used to be.  They aren't voting for a woman looking to give them handouts.

Not to mention the little problem of when AOC gets into debates and needs to talk about anything besides giving people free stuff.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm glad you walked back from 80% of women, that's just crazy.  And it would be WAY fewer women than you think.  0 conservative women.  All she appeals to is the extreme SJWs who make a lot of noise on social media.  Independents would see a term or two of prosperity vs her message and vote the other way.

80% of Latinos? You dont know them.  I'm in Mexico and we just bought some fresh seafood from a roadside stand.  A drunk guy approached us asking for money.  The stand owner said "dont listen to him, he is just going to buy alcohol.  There are jobs, why not work?" They are a proud people who work hard for an honest day's wage, like Democrats used to be.  They aren't voting for a woman looking to give them handouts.

Not to mention the little problem of when AOC gets into debates and needs to talk about anything besides giving people free stuff.

 

 

I would love to see her in a debate. It will get ugly fast and she won’t know what to do.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Hand said:

I would love to see her in a debate. It will get ugly fast and she won’t know what to do.

Stick her in a debate with the likes of Ben Shapiro. She would be in tears before it's even started.

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8 hours ago, sderk said:

Stick her in a debate with the likes of Ben Shapiro. She would be in tears before it's even started.

I do think Shapiro would make her look pretty bad in any debate, but the left would use that as well....do not underestimate the ability of the left to twist an bend any situation....logic does not work when dealing with them.  Shapiro has really crafted some nice counters to their inclination to use some rather simple tactics to deflect their immorality.

I would worry that she might be able to really portray him as mean etc, because he would really tear her up intellectually, and she would really use the victim tactic well i think.

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1 hour ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

I do think Shapiro would make her look pretty bad in any debate, but the left would use that as well....do not underestimate the ability of the left to twist an bend any situation....logic does not work when dealing with them.  Shapiro has really crafted some nice counters to their inclination to use some rather simple tactics to deflect their immorality.

I would worry that she might be able to really portray him as mean etc, because he would really tear her up intellectually, and she would really use the victim tactic well i think.

You better believe the story line would be "Misogynist Shapiro (figuratively) beats up AOC.  Picks on woman.".

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1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You better believe the story line would be "Misogynist Shapiro (figuratively) beats up AOC.  Picks on woman.".

Yes. that would make sense.  But they also call him Fascist and antisemitic, mainly because they fall all over themselves to label people they fear....

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3 hours ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

Yes. that would make sense.  But they also call him Fascist and antisemitic, mainly because they fall all over themselves to label people they fear....

He's a Jew.

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5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

He's a Jew.

You are correct, and yet he has been accused of being antisemtic by people prior to speaking engagements......the left uses labels haphazardly....they wield them carelessly as they have been indoctrinated to throw them at people when they dont like them, it need not make any sense.

The same was done to Milo, while Milo is a turd, he is likely not homophobic, but that is something tossed at him.  The weaponization of labels is really being taken past all notions of credibility.

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I think it says a lot about modern Republicans that they mistake the kind of punditry and lawyering you get from Shapiro or Tucker for intellectual “debate”. No wonder all our politicians are actors. Our thought leaders are all carny barkers and clowns. 

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27 minutes ago, MDC said:

I think it says a lot about modern Republicans that they mistake the kind of punditry and lawyering you get from Shapiro or Tucker for intellectual “debate”. No wonder all our politicians are actors. Our thought leaders are all carny barkers and clowns. 

Shapiro is rather talented at debate, but I would suggest his greatest strength is his integrity and immovable stance based on logic; his morality does not ebb end flow as we find on the far left.

Tucker is meh, he does some good stuff but often his approach is off-putting.  Perhaps the best among them is Peterson in terms of intellectualism and integrity.  Shapiro is not perfect, just better than any of the trite nonsense the left has to offer from any corner.

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5 hours ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

I do think Shapiro would make her look pretty bad in any debate, but the left would use that as well....do not underestimate the ability of the left to twist an bend any situation....logic does not work when dealing with them.  Shapiro has really crafted some nice counters to their inclination to use some rather simple tactics to deflect their immorality.

I would worry that she might be able to really portray him as mean etc, because he would really tear her up intellectually, and she would really use the victim tactic well i think.

I don't follow her closely other than seeing some of the backwards logic she uses and then looking at what some of the other people around the country think of it, but other than the whole "I'm poor" act that she set up early on (to use later on I'm guessing), I'm not sure I could see her playing a victim, mostly because she seems too arrogant. The whole "I'm the boss" type persona she is putting out there doesn't seem to me that at this time she could or even would try to pull that off. 

My take is she would simply not debate someone like Shapiro, and if asked "why not?", she would lazily dismiss him as some sort of joke not worth her time.  

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1 minute ago, sderk said:

I don't follow her closely other than seeing some of the backwards logic she uses and then looking at what some of the other people around the country think of it, but other than the whole "I'm poor" act that she set up early on (to use later on I'm guessing), I'm not sure I could see her playing a victim, mostly because she seems too arrogant. The whole "I'm the boss" type persona she is putting out there doesn't seem to me that at this time she could or even would try to pull that off. 

My take is she would simply not debate someone like Shapiro, and if asked "why not?", she would lazily dismiss him as some sort of joke not worth her time.  

I think she has already done so ...

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

 

✔@AOC

 

 

Just like catcalling, I don’t owe a response to unsolicited requests from men with bad intentions.

And also like catcalling, for some reason they feel entitled to one.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

I think she has already done so ...

Link

 

 

I hadn't seen that one. Maybe your right. Maybe that is just political or social science 101 class in school these days. I still don't think anyone on the left would debate Shapiro or the likes unless he was actually running for office.

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But Shapiro is a joke not worth her time. She’s a Congressman. He’s sort of a court jester or clown.

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16 minutes ago, MDC said:

But Shapiro is a joke not worth her time. She’s a Congressman. He’s sort of a court jester or clown.

No, Shapiro is well-conditioned and prepared, and could easily disassemble her, and she knows it.  He is not afraid justifiably, she is afraid....justifiably....

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2 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

No, Shapiro is well-conditioned and prepared, and could easily disassemble her, and she knows it.  He is not afraid justifiably, she is afraid....justifiably....

What does a Congresswoman stand to gain by interrupting her busy day to “debate” a clown like Shapiro? That’s like saying Trump is afraid to go on MSNBC to debate Rachel Maddow or something.

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20 minutes ago, MDC said:

But Shapiro is a joke not worth her time. She’s a Congressman. He’s sort of a court jester or clown.

See how she equates such a request as "catcalling"?  Twice.  Right on the #metoo SJW playbook.  If he pushes the issue he is analogous to a racist.  Pretty shrewd since she would be taking a nerf dart to a gun fight. 

 

[RLLD 3,455]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

What does a Congresswoman stand to gain by interrupting her busy day to “debate” a clown like Shapiro? That’s like saying Trump is afraid to go on MSNBC to debate Rachel Maddow or something.

No its not, we are often told that the President is different and held to a higher standard, so i wont mix the two here.  

Occasio-Cortez can only lose if she honestly debates anyone, her only safe place is in the warm embrace of CNN or other softball throwers, she knows it.  She would be foolish to allow herself to be called out.  If she were actually capable, she would be able to cement her position, which she appears to think is without flaw.

[RLLD 3,455]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

See how she equates such a request as "catcalling"?  Twice.  Right on the #metoo SJW playbook.  If he pushes the issue he is analogous to a racist.  Pretty shrewd since she would be taking a nerf dart to a gun fight. 

 

She could have played it like MDC did above, that would have been a smart way, instead....play the victim...

[MDC 5,878]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

See how she equates such a request as "catcalling"?  Twice.  Right on the #metoo SJW playbook.  If he pushes the issue he is analogous to a racist.  Pretty shrewd since she would be taking a nerf dart to a gun fight. 

 

Also pretty shrewd since AOC seems to set off conservatives’ misogyny and sexual frustration like crazy and she seems to know it. Master troll all the way.  

[MDC 5,878]

5 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

No its not, we are often told that the President is different and held to a higher standard, so i wont mix the two here.  

Occasio-Cortez can only lose if she honestly debates anyone, her only safe place is in the warm embrace of CNN or other softball throwers, she knows it.  She would be foolish to allow herself to be called out.  If she were actually capable, she would be able to cement her position, which she appears to think is without flaw.

The loony panhandler on the corner says that about me when I walk past his ranting without even breaking stride on my way into work in the morning.

[RLLD 3,455]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

The loony panhandler on the corner says that about me when I walk past his ranting without even breaking stride on my way into work in the morning.

Shapiro would enjoy this kind of reductio ad absurdum.  You are better than this.....

[MDC 5,878]

5 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

Shapiro would enjoy this kind of reductio ad absurdum.  You are better than this.....

Am not.