RLLD 3,455 Posted February 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said: I know our company is working on a very large project to automate the job of engineers. This project has been ongoing for years and is still a long ways away from any results, but I stand by my statement. Automation is coming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, MDC said: Oh so the California minimum wage is why McDonalds is automating in Cambodia. They must have taught this stuff in the basic economics course Strike was talking about. You're looking at too many recent things. Because minimum wage was instituted (by Democrats by the way), it started the preemptive escalation of wages. It was that which caused the spike in welfare recipients... to which, the Democrats response was (and always is), 'let's throw more money at it', they increase the minimum wage. It was that windfall that created what we have now. The Democrats started the problem, and their solution now, (again - as it always is... and it never works), is "let's throw more money at it." That my friend is what spurred the research into automation and the problem which exists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted February 26, 2019 51 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: Minimum wage didn't cause this It was going to happen no matter what Just like MDC... stuck on stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, MTSkiBum said: In my opinion automation is happening due to a drop in the cost of technology not an increase in labor price. Automation is coming. The market dictates the need, not the other way around. If there was no "need" for automation, automation wouldn't be here. Why is automation needed? Because the labor prices were increasing too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,593 Posted February 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: The market dictates the need, not the other way around. If there was no "need" for automation, automation wouldn't be here. Why is automation needed? Because the labor prices were increasing too much. You do not think like upper management. Our labor costs are going down, however our management is pushing these automation projects to drive down labor costs even more. We have had stagnant wages the last 6 years in my company and lower headcount with similar revenue as 6 years ago. There has been only a single cost of living increase in that time-span. Automation has nothing to do with rising labor prices. Management has the goal of lowering cost and increasing profits. Automation is going to happen because even with low wages technology is cheaper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,877 Posted February 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: You're looking at too many recent things. Because minimum wage was instituted (by Democrats by the way), it started the preemptive escalation of wages. It was that which caused the spike in welfare recipients... to which, the Democrats response was (and always is), 'let's throw more money at it', they increase the minimum wage. It was that windfall that created what we have now. The Democrats started the problem, and their solution now, (again - as it always is... and it never works), is "let's throw more money at it." That my friend is what spurred the research into automation and the problem which exists. Adjusted for inflation, the MW is lower today than it was 50 years ago while automation is much more common. It seems to me access to automation technology is what’s driving automation, not higher wages. But I am sure economic geniuses like you, Strike and Ray being can explain how the opposite is true and it’s all because of Democrats and entitled McDonald’s cashiers in California. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted February 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said: You do not think like upper management. Our labor costs are going down, however our management is pushing these automation projects to drive down labor costs even more. We have had stagnant wages the last 6 years in my company and lower headcount with similar revenue as 6 years ago. There has been only a single cost of living increase in that time-span. Automation has nothing to do with rising labor prices. Management has the goal of lowering cost and increasing profits. Automation is going to happen because even with low wages technology is cheaper. I understand where it's at now, I'm simply stating WHY where in this situation in the first place. Also, there reason they're driving labor costs down more is because the Democrats are pushing significantly higher minimum wages now. Companies are trying to get ahead of the curve. Plus, they're hedging their bets against the potential socialist agenda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted February 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, MDC said: Adjusted for inflation, the MW is lower today than it was 50 years ago while automation is much more common. It seems to me access to automation technology is what’s driving automation, not higher wages. But I am sure economic geniuses like you, Strike and Ray being can explain how the opposite is true and it’s all because of Democrats and entitled McDonald’s cashiers in California. Minimum wage was introduced a lot longer ago than 50 years. Go read about it, you might learn something for a change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,877 Posted February 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Minimum wage was introduced a lot longer ago than 50 years. Go read about it, you might learn something for a change. Min wage goes down, automation goes up and you guys conclude ... increased MW is what’s causing inflation? Can’t argue with that logic. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said: Just like MDC... stuck on stupid. So automation would have never happened if minimum wage had stayed low?.... !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted February 26, 2019 "automation" has been a thing well before the 20th century, smart people make stuff.....its just happens. Now, whether or not it achieves widespread adoption is another thing, and is usually a result of a variety of factors, waging being one of them, and likely a factor to varying degrees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,593 Posted February 26, 2019 3 hours ago, MTSkiBum said: In my opinion automation is happening due to a drop in the cost of technology not an increase in labor price. Automation is coming. It's coming, and it's will be here fast. That's why bringing in more unskilled and uneducated people from shithole countries is such a great idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted February 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: It's coming, and it's will be here fast. That's why bringing in more unskilled and uneducated people from shithole countries is such a great idea. If they are willing to work hard, there will always be roles for them to fill....now, we cannot employ the world, and we already cannot afford all the social programs we run....but maybe if we get these illegals on the tax roles we can chip away at that underrun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,593 Posted February 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said: If they are willing to work hard, there will always be roles for them to fill....now, we cannot employ the world, and we already cannot afford all the social programs we run....but maybe if we get these illegals on the tax roles we can chip away at that underrun Always? So when we dump the ones working on farms and at mcdonalds onto the work force to compete with the steady stream coming here that the left has planned we're going to end up with a content work force? You're nuts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted February 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said: So automation would have never happened if minimum wage had stayed low?.... !!! You really are that stupid, aren't you? I'll try "Dem-splaining". Minimum wage forced people out of jobs, primarily minorities (again - a Democrat policy - I know, shocking). The net result of that put people behind by not allowing them to gain skills in the open market and also forced businesses to pay rates that the government set instead of the market place. Ever since then, the market place has tried to always stay ahead of the government. Had their not been any minimum wage or drastic increases, businesses would have invested in their employees more and allowed them to gain more skills and work WITH automation instead of being REPLACED by automation. Notice again, who's pushing higher minimum wages? Yup, those same Democrats who's objective it was to keep minorities out of the workplace. They're doing it again. They're encouraging business to replace people instead of work with people. It really is racism 101. If you can't oppress people physically (slavery), do it financially. It's been the Democrat foothold for what 150 years now? Oh, and don't fall into the misconception that the minimum wage is a new thing. It's been about 80 years now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted February 26, 2019 Isn't the medical field seeing increases in automation? Anesthesiologists being replaced by computers. Have to explain to me how that has anything to do with minimum wage. Just seems like if automation can do something more efficiently, industry will adopt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted February 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, FeelingMN said: Isn't the medical field seeing increases in automation? Anesthesiologists being replaced by computers. Have to explain to me how that has anything to do with minimum wage. Just seems like if automation can do something more efficiently, industry will adopt it. All those doctors working minimum wage has ruined the available jobs for future human doctors Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566 Posted February 27, 2019 question for both sides of the isle MAGA vs Hope and Change which one has actually done more, kept more of the campaign promises Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, RaiderHater's Revenge said: question for both sides of the isle MAGA vs Hope and Change which one has actually done more, kept more of the campaign promises Well, Obama wasn't lying about Hope and Change. He talked about Hope a lot, made our economy putrid and America decided to make a Change. Oh, and he came to Washington with nothing and is now a multi millionaire. Trump has America in a phenomenal growth period, record numbers of employment, resetting trade worldwide and making other countries Bend the Knee, and clearing out the corrupt FBI/DOJ/CIA all the while having the world's intelligence apparatus leveled against him. Just be glad Trump is on our side. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 904 Posted February 27, 2019 15 hours ago, RaiderHater's Revenge said: question for both sides of the isle MAGA vs Hope and Change which one has actually done more, kept more of the campaign promises They both dealt with different things. And don't think you can compare 8 years to 2. In the end, there was not much change under Obama...blame to go around there, but in most things presidential..the buck stops there. Obama had some good, a lot he could have done better. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,593 Posted February 27, 2019 We were definetly a more divided country after Obamas tenure. He really drove a wedge between white males and the rest of the country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted February 27, 2019 23 hours ago, FeelingMN said: Isn't the medical field seeing increases in automation? Anesthesiologists being replaced by computers. Have to explain to me how that has anything to do with minimum wage. Just seems like if automation can do something more efficiently, industry will adopt it. Yeah... not really. https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601141/automated-anesthesiologist-suffers-a-painful-defeat/ Besides, the point was concerning unskilled labor, who the people losing out on those positions end up on welfare. Any anesthesiologist who loses a job to a computer has other skills that will yield him/her a high paying job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said: We were definetly a more divided country after Obamas tenure. He really drove a wedge between white males and the rest of the country. If that was his #1 goal, which I believe it was, he was very successful with what he wanted to do. He proved to be phenomenally good at it. The rest of the crap he pushed, nah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said: We were definetly a more divided country after Obamas tenure. He really drove a wedge between white males and the rest of the country. It was a terrible strategy, and it resulted in Trump being elected....don't poke the tiger..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,877 Posted February 27, 2019 Thank God Don is here to unite us all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted February 28, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 12:22 PM, TBayXXXVII said: You're looking at too many recent things. Because minimum wage was instituted (by Democrats by the way), it started the preemptive escalation of wages....That my friend is what spurred the research into automation and the problem which exists. On 2/26/2019 at 12:44 PM, TBayXXXVII said: Also, there reason they're driving labor costs down more is because the Democrats are pushing significantly higher minimum wages now. Companies are trying to get ahead of the curve. Plus, they're hedging their bets against the potential socialist agenda. On 2/26/2019 at 4:21 PM, TBayXXXVII said: Had their not been any minimum wage or drastic increases, businesses would have invested in their employees more and allowed them to gain more skills and work WITH automation instead of being REPLACED by automation. Notice again, who's pushing higher minimum wages? 2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: Yeah... not really. https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601141/automated-anesthesiologist-suffers-a-painful-defeat/ Besides, the point was concerning unskilled labor, who the people losing out on those positions end up on welfare. Any anesthesiologist who loses a job to a computer has other skills that will yield him/her a high paying job. Pretty sure the point you were trying to make was the effect MW had on automation within industry. If that were the case the medical field, nor various other fields that don't rely on MW workers, wouldn't try to implement automation. But they are. Unskilled workers.....need to learn a skill if they don't want to end up on welfare. That's life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted February 28, 2019 12 hours ago, FeelingMN said: Pretty sure the point you were trying to make was the effect MW had on automation within industry. If that were the case the medical field, nor various other fields that don't rely on MW workers, wouldn't try to implement automation. But they are. Unskilled workers.....need to learn a skill if they don't want to end up on welfare. That's life. Then you're understanding incorrectly. My point stemmed from posts on page 1 where it was commented that companies are contracting out offshore work because of their lower wages. Companies started doing that because wages for unskilled workers - as well as, in part, union workers - were getting too high here for the products they produced. The minimum wage more than doubled between 1960 and 1975. That was a major factor in the inflation rate going from approximately 2.5% to 7% between the 60's and 70's. In the 80's, because of yet another minimum wage increase, companies started moving to offshore labor... which dropped the inflation rate down to just under 6%. After seeing those gains pay off, other businesses started doing that in greater quantities which and that lead to the dropped the inflation rate to 3% in the 90's... and where we've been (roughly), since. Now, is that the sole reason? Of course not, but it's certainly the biggest. Yes, unskilled workers do need to learn skills. The problem is, that they're not getting those skills for free anymore - on the job - because the libturds are jacking up the minimum wage too high, too fast. There is a direct correlation between the mass movement towards automation of unskilled jobs and the minimum wage increase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bostonlager 2,457 Posted February 28, 2019 1. Lets get rid of all the "phobia" talk. I'm not afraid of phaggots, muslims, or people from other countries, I simply do not like them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted February 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, bostonlager said: 1. Lets get rid of all the "phobia" talk. I'm not afraid of phaggots, muslims, or people from other countries, I simply do not like them. Fair enough. I would not be one to suggest you should or need to of course.... Just so long as you don't actually harm them I am fine with it, you can even protest them all you want. You have that right, even though I might disagree with you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,121 Posted February 28, 2019 36 minutes ago, bostonlager said: 1. Lets get rid of all the "phobia" talk. I'm not afraid of phaggots, muslims, or people from other countries, I simply do not like them. Same Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted February 28, 2019 50 minutes ago, bostonlager said: 1. Lets get rid of all the "phobia" talk. I'm not afraid of phaggots, muslims, or people from other countries, I simply do not like them. Yeah, it's simply slanderous terminology from the left that their supporters are willing to dummy down and accept and regurgitate to no end. Same thing with 'intolerant'. They love that word but use it incorrectly all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted February 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, sderk said: Yeah, it's simply slanderous terminology from the left that their supporters are willing to dummy down and accept and regurgitate to no end. Same thing with 'intolerant'. They love that word but use it incorrectly all the time. They do it because we have allowed it to be effective. At this stage I have stopped caring about the labels, they are now useless in my observation. The moment I hear one of the CNN bots start using it I tune them out, I know they are just doing it to shut down the conversation.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bostonlager 2,457 Posted February 28, 2019 47 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said: Fair enough. I would not be one to suggest you should or need to of course.... Just so long as you don't actually harm them I am fine with it, you can even protest them all you want. You have that right, even though I might disagree with you. I have no desire to harm anyone, but protesting is for phags. No thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted February 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, bostonlager said: I have no desire to harm anyone, but protesting is for phags. No thanks. I would not mind sharing a beer with you my frined Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bostonlager 2,457 Posted February 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said: I would not mind sharing a beer with you my frined If you ever make it to Cincinnati Reds country let me know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,010 Posted March 4, 2019 Interesting timing... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted March 4, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 5:11 PM, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said: It was a terrible strategy, and it resulted in Trump being elected....don't poke the tiger..... What tiger? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted March 4, 2019 41 minutes ago, cbfalcon said: What tiger? The conservative-minded people. They are not activists, but if you piss them off enough, they might vote a bit more.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trumpurethra 42 Posted March 11, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 2:02 PM, Hardcore troubadour said: Do you have a 401k? Then you're one of the shareholders. One of the stupid ones. How is having a 40k stupid? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted March 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, trumpurethra said: How is having a 40k stupid? That's not his point. His point is that complaining about shareholders being the problem while you are a shareholder is rather hypocritical. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
