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When the lib media can't sell a war with Russia, China, NK or Iran, this is the nonsense they move on to.  

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4 hours ago, cbfalcon said:

You kids are amongst the 2% nuttiest, gunniest, and most hateful of anyone that sees the world differently than you do. You are the ones that want to observe a Civil War.

Yet none of you are willing to start this Civil War you so badly want. Instead you are waiting for bigger nutsos than you to start it. Helll, it’s not even clear if you would fight in it, so much as you just want to watch and comment about how the Cons are kicking the Libs asses in it. 

All hat, no cattle. 

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1 hour ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

The civil war (if there is one) would be started by Dems as they are in the minority in both power and ideology. They're also the violent ones that'll attack an 81 year old veteran, or whoever wears a MAGA hat.

Common ground: I believe you actually believe that :thumbsup:

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9 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

Common ground: I believe you actually believe that :thumbsup:

It's in the news daily. 'Resist' movement, assaulting anyone who disagrees with them politically/ideologically, etc.........

The Dems are the party of savages that are so brain dead/washed that you follow the talking points of the MSM. "Trump is hiding something by releasing everything".  :doh:

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14 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

It's in the news daily. 'Resist' movement, assaulting anyone who disagrees with them politically/ideologically, etc.........

The Dems are the party of savages that are so brain dead/washed that you follow the talking points of the MSM. "Trump is hiding something by releasing everything".  :doh:

Yeah, at this point there is ZERO doubt that when liberals/leftists get together their is almost always some form of violence.  When conservatives get together the only time there is violence is when the leftist show up and start it.

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That video makes the mistake of trying to look at every little event that is taking place and trying to tie it to political upheaval.  People will discredit him by just proving 1 of his 500 points wrong.  Its better to look at the broad scope of events:

1.  Trust has collapsed in America for the first time since shortly before the civil war.

2.  Extremists are gaining ground from both sides and we are so stupid that we are doing things that make them stronger instead of weaker such as banning and shunning.

There's no way to avoid a civil war because we're not even trying.

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8 minutes ago, riversco said:

That video makes the mistake of trying to look at every little event that is taking place and trying to tie it to political upheaval.  People will discredit him by just proving 1 of his 500 points wrong.  Its better to look at the broad scope of events:

1.  Trust has collapsed in America for the first time since shortly before the civil war.

2.  Extremists are gaining ground from both sides and we are so stupid that we are doing things that make them stronger instead of weaker such as banning and shunning.

There's no way to avoid a civil war because we're not even trying.

I disagree. The right does not have any extremists that hold any power. It is the left side of the aisle who's extremist have taken over the party. For God's sake they elected like five socialists last election and cater to every extreme grievance group they can.

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23 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I disagree. The right does not have any extremists that hold any power. It is the left side of the aisle who's extremist have taken over the party. For God's sake they elected like five socialists last election and cater to every extreme grievance group they can.

Yep. The leftist extremists have become mainstream. The right extremists are shunned. 

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You all better be careful to choose the right side of the upcoming civil war. Because newbie stated the following in the newbserver thread:

"Just as in real life, if someone attacks me, they're not going to have a very enjoyable rest-of-the-day. "

How can the right defeat that? I'm shaking and won't be able to sleep tonight just thinking about it. He is sooooo tough. Wow. The fact that he says "just as in real life" is frightening. 

Either that or he is just a phag. I'm guessing the latter. :dunno:

 

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34 minutes ago, sderk said:

You all better be careful to choose the right side of the upcoming civil war. Because newbie stated the following in the newbserver thread:

"Just as in real life, if someone attacks me, they're not going to have a very enjoyable rest-of-the-day. "

How can the right defeat that? I'm shaking and won't be able to sleep tonight just thinking about it. He is sooooo tough. Wow. The fact that he says "just as in real life" is frightening. 

Either that or he is just a phag. I'm guessing the latter. :dunno:

 

Yeah, well, in my experience guys who talk like that are either the first ones to run from the fight or the first to go down. Loudmouths are usually just that - loudmouths - and nothing else.

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3 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I disagree. The right does not have any extremists that hold any power. It is the left side of the aisle who's extremist have taken over the party. For God's sake they elected like five socialists last election and cater to every extreme grievance group they can.

The key factor is loss of trust.  You can't have civil war without loss of trust in the system.  Democrats still trust the system.  Nowadays, republican trust has collapsed to nothing.  For example, in 2000, 50% of republicans actually trusted the media.  50%!  Think about that.  50% of republicans trusted the New York Times, CNN, network news, etc.  Today its basically zero.  So that tells us republicans are now a disenfranchised group. 

When a nation has a disenfranchised group within in own borders, it needs to work hard to make them feel more included in society and that they have a future.  If that doesn't occur you're going to get civil war.  So that means the correct path is to make white republicans feel more included. There is NO chance that will happen, instead our society will continue to hunt "white nationalists" until there is an event that sparks civil war.

Not only is civil war a great threat but we're barrelling towards it as fast as we can.

Usually, tempers flare in the summer and every summer going forward I expect unrest to break out and we're lucky if it doesn't.

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There's not going to be a civil war but if there is, at least the good guys are the ones with the guns.

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Civil unrest and civil war are vastly different things. There are no factions in the US big enough to start a war. There is no coalition of states with vastly different politcal and economic goals. Yet. The left's anti cop stance is troubling and something to keep an eye on. With drugs being legalized, with unfettered illegal immigration, with half the country supporting race baiting, the cops have a bigger job than ever and less support to do it properly. 

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Contemporary Americans were so prosperous, so happily distracted by such a richness of vivid entertainments, they were reluctant to have their fun diminished by acknowledging that anything existed with fangs and fierce appetites. If now and then they recognized a wolf, they threw a bone to it and convinced themselves that it was a dog. 

They denied real threats by focusing their fear on the least likely of armageddons: a massive asteroid striking the earth, super hurricanes twice as big as Texas, the Y2K implosion of civilization, nuclear power plants melting holes all the way through the planet, a new Hitler suddenly rising from the ranks of hapless televangelists with bad hair.   Dean Koontz

 

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ive been running some social experiments with the idea of civil war.   I assemble groups of liberal test subjects and expose them to false breaking news that civil unrest has broken out.  My favorite game scenario is that the trump rallies evolve into civil unrest as alt righters riot.  I think that will be the correct scenario anyway.  

Whats interesting is the reaction from my liberal test subjects is almost always the same.  They immediately brand all republicans as traitors and try to drape themselves in the flag and lay claim to represent the “real america”

ive then assembled groups of conservative / alt right test subjects and exposed them to false news that civil unrest has broken out at a trump rally with republicans rioting AND added the step that the left has branded them as traitors in order to try to get a preview of what happens next.  

In my experiments, some republicans feel rioting is wrong.  Most actually level countercharges that the left are traitors and that the trump rally rioters are the true patriots.   

Thats as far as ive gone in my experiments but i think i have a pretty good feel of how itll play out.  Once civil unrest begins, the country will rapidly accelerate the process of tearing itself in half instead of coming together.

 

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17 minutes ago, riversco said:

ive been running some social experiments with the idea of civil war.   I assemble groups of liberal test subjects and expose them to false breaking news that civil unrest has broken out.  My favorite game scenario is that the trump rallies evolve into civil unrest as alt righters riot.  I think that will be the correct scenario anyway.  

Whats interesting is the reaction from my liberal test subjects is almost always the same.  They immediately brand all republicans as traitors and try to drape themselves in the flag and lay claim to represent the “real america”

ive then assembled groups of conservative / alt right test subjects and exposed them to false news that civil unrest has broken out at a trump rally with republicans rioting AND added the step that the left has branded them as traitors in order to try to get a preview of what happens next.  

In my experiments, some republicans feel rioting is wrong.  Most actually level countercharges that the left are traitors and that the trump rally rioters are the true patriots.   

Thats as far as ive gone in my experiments but i think i have a pretty good feel of how itll play out.  Once civil unrest begins, the country will rapidly accelerate the process of tearing itself in half instead of coming together.

 

The Democratic rioters can be dispersed rather quickly by throwing down a job application.

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14 minutes ago, riversco said:

ive been running some social experiments with the idea of civil war.   I assemble groups of liberal test subjects and expose them to false breaking news that civil unrest has broken out.  My favorite game scenario is that the trump rallies evolve into civil unrest as alt righters riot.  I think that will be the correct scenario anyway.  

Whats interesting is the reaction from my liberal test subjects is almost always the same.  They immediately brand all republicans as traitors and try to drape themselves in the flag and lay claim to represent the “real america”

ive then assembled groups of conservative / alt right test subjects and exposed them to false news that civil unrest has broken out at a trump rally with republicans rioting AND added the step that the left has branded them as traitors in order to try to get a preview of what happens next.  

In my experiments, some republicans feel rioting is wrong.  Most actually level countercharges that the left are traitors and that the trump rally rioters are the true patriots.   

Thats as far as ive gone in my experiments but i think i have a pretty good feel of how itll play out.  Once civil unrest begins, the country will rapidly accelerate the process of tearing itself in half instead of coming together.

 

The invention of smart phones makes this impossible. The govt will shut down communications with all devices immediately and for the not so obvious reason. The masses of retards will:

1. Forget all about the civil war because they are trying to figure out why they cant text and FB and tweet.
2. They will not know what to do next because their phone can't tell them but they will have forgot all about the civil unrest they were participating in, 10 minutes ago.
3. They will start to convulse like a heroin junkie looking for a fix as their best buddy no longer communicates.

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45 minutes ago, lod001 said:

The invention of smart phones makes this impossible. The govt will shut down communications with all devices immediately and for the not so obvious reason. The masses of retards will:

1. Forget all about the civil war because they are trying to figure out why they cant text and FB and tweet.
2. They will not know what to do next because their phone can't tell them but they will have forgot all about the civil unrest they were participating in, 10 minutes ago.
3. They will start to convulse like a heroin junkie looking for a fix as their best buddy no longer communicates.

I think the best model to use is the French Revolution because of how it evolved from chaos.  You had protests and riots that got worse and worse and bigger and bigger until the government was overthrown.  So something like:

1. A trump rally evolves into a major protest and riot in the city nearest to the rally, possibly due to democrat attempts to shut the rally down or remove trump from office.

2. democrats / antifa assemble there to counter and it turns into a huge riot.

3. riots begin to break out across cities in the US.

4. Likely there will be a massive riot in Washington DC.  I expect monuments will be attacked / defaced like the Lincoln Memorial or Washington Monument.

5. People stop going to work and everyone gets sucked into the riots.

6. We backslide into civil war.

I don't think we see the formality of states seceding from the union and assembling grand armies.  Its chaos and terror.

Trump likely views his trump rallies as his true base and foundation of power.  He will make a direct and passionate appeal to them if they try to remove him or shut down his rallies.  I think those rallies are the genesis of civil war.  Those are the people ready to fight.

In 50 years, people might be telling their grandkids that they attended a Trump rally back before the Revolution with great pride.

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4 hours ago, riversco said:

ive been running some social experiments with the idea of civil war.   I assemble groups of liberal test subjects and expose them to false breaking news that civil unrest has broken out.  My favorite game scenario is that the trump rallies evolve into civil unrest as alt righters riot.  I think that will be the correct scenario anyway.  

Whats interesting is the reaction from my liberal test subjects is almost always the same.  They immediately brand all republicans as traitors and try to drape themselves in the flag and lay claim to represent the “real america”

ive then assembled groups of conservative / alt right test subjects and exposed them to false news that civil unrest has broken out at a trump rally with republicans rioting AND added the step that the left has branded them as traitors in order to try to get a preview of what happens next.  

In my experiments, some republicans feel rioting is wrong.  Most actually level countercharges that the left are traitors and that the trump rally rioters are the true patriots.   

Thats as far as ive gone in my experiments but i think i have a pretty good feel of how itll play out.  Once civil unrest begins, the country will rapidly accelerate the process of tearing itself in half instead of coming together.

 

Interesting. I’ve been running the almost exact same set of social experiments. However my results have been the exact opposite of yours, with the only exception being that instead of the conservatives draping themselves in the flag, they cut the flag up and make shorts out of it that they can wear 

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1 minute ago, cbfalcon said:

Interesting. I’ve been running the almost exact same set of social experiments. However my results have been the exact opposite of yours, with the only exception being that instead of the conservatives draping themselves in the flag, they cut the flag up and make shorts out of it. 

Then they aren't conservatives.  Your tests are all based on LIES!!!!!

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3 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

Interesting. I’ve been running the almost exact same set of social experiments. However my results have been the exact opposite of yours, with the only exception being that instead of the conservatives draping themselves in the flag, they cut the flag up and make shorts out of it that they can wear 

Do you ever stop being dopey? Ever think that maybe you are the reason for all the things you whine about?

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11 minutes ago, sderk said:

Do you ever stop being dopey? Ever think that maybe you are the reason for all the things you whine about?

He doesn't. I'll bet cash he has a homemade cape on when he posts too. 

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22 minutes ago, sderk said:

Do you ever stop being dopey? Ever think that maybe you are the reason for all the things you whine about?

Was it the shorts joke? I made that joke because I didn’t think anyone here had those, so I didn’t expect anyone to take it personally. But I have to admit I didn’t think about you. So yeah, I apologize. 

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1 hour ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Won't happen until the economy completely hits the sh!tter. Or a massive unemployment situation arises. 

The first civil war didn't happen in a horrible economic climate.  This is an attack on America (from either the left or the right depending on your political alignment). 

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1 minute ago, riversco said:

The first civil war didn't happen in a horrible economic climate.  This is an attack on America (from either the left or the right depending on your political alignment). 

But you could say the freeing of the slaves would've greatly impacted the southern economy. 

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10 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

Was it the shorts joke? I made that joke because I didn’t think anyone here had those, so I didn’t expect anyone to take it personally. But I have to admit I didn’t think about you. So yeah, I apologize. 

Is that your best? You spout crap and then that's all you have? You are so dumb that you bltch about this site constantly and then you keep posting the most idiotic things possible. Why do you persist? You are overtaking MDC for dope of the year.

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3 minutes ago, sderk said:

Is that your best? You spout crap and then that's all you have? You are so dumb that you bltch about this site constantly and then you keep posting the most idiotic things possible. Why do you persist? You are overtaking MDC for dope of the year.

I don’t know if that is my best, but I do feel pretty good about it, yeah.

But I’ve always had the type sense of humor I find quite funny. 

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6 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

I don’t know if that is my best, but I do feel pretty good about it, yeah.

But I’ve always had the type sense of humor I find quite funny. 

I can translate that!!!!!!!!!!!!! "I'm a legend in my own mind" :lol:

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Redstate has stated a series of articles on July 27th 2019 that ask if we are headed for another civil war.

https://www.redstate.com/diary/davenj1/2019/07/27/headed-second-civil-war-part-1/

There was or is a movement in California for secession from the union.  As others have mentioned, Texas has also considered that option.  And when the word “secession” comes up, the natural inclination is to think of the Civil War.  Therefore, it pays to look at the causes of that war and whether there are analogies to the current state of affairs.  In other words, is the United States headed for another Civil War?

Prior to the outbreak of the Civil War, there was vast economic upheaval in the United States.  The Industrial Revolution was gaining steam in Great Britain and throughout the world.  Cotton, the leading export of the South, was becoming increasingly less valuable worldwide.  The South was dependent upon King Cotton as much as they were dependent on Northern banks.  Today, globalization and “free” trade agreements have created a similar economic upheaval.

This economic upheaval in the 1850’s went hand-in-hand with political upheaval.  An upstart party, the Republicans, were gaining power.  Another dominant party at the time- the Whigs- were losing power.  Today within each party we see some upheaval.  On the Democratic side, there are the socialist-leaning Democrats against the not-so-socialist Democrats while on the Republican side there are the NeverTrumpers against everyone else.  Lest anyone believe either the GOP or the Democrats will go by the wayside, they won’t.  However, there are certainly the equivalents of the Whigs in each party.

In the decade leading up to the 1860 election, there was a serious breakdown in civil discourse.  It reached its climax when Senator Charles Sumner of Massachusetts was beaten with a cane on the floor of the Senate.  Yet, with slavery as the powder keg issue as a backdrop, there was also the examples of Bleeding Kansas and Harper’s Ferry.  Abraham Lincoln was depicted as a monkey in some newspapers. There was no decorum to speak of.  I think we can all agree such is the case today.

The next two precursors are vitally important as concerns the current state of affairs.  The first is a fundamental difference in the meaning of the Constitution.  Throughout the Constitutional convention and afterwards, there was great debate about what, how or even if the federal government could do anything about slavery.  This was the underlying backdrop to the Civil War.  Each side came to believe that they possessed the proper narrative for the future of the country.  Each became an existential threat to the other’s way of life.

Instead of the Blue versus the Gray in the 1860’s, today it is red states versus blue states.  And to a large extent, the battle lines are drawn.  Red champions a continuity of family and community- the “unum” in our motto.  Blue declares communities should be chosen through the power of the state.  Blue sees firearms as uncivil and a dangerous individual choice.  Red sees firearms as the great political equalizer and ownership a God-given right.  Red sees abortion as a threat to family, community and faith while blue sees it as an individual’s right to choose (about the only thing where they place a premium on “choice”).  Blue seeks what they consider necessary controls on free speech to protect vulnerable or “protected classes,” while red sees state control of thought as a threat to individual freedoms.  Both believe their virtues must be enforced with equal zeal.

Hence, the fifth and final commonality between the 1850’s and the present is a difference in dreams.  The South at the time was largely agrarian reliant on slave labor to produce their cash crops.  The other was industrial favoring tariffs to protect their products.  Clearly, in the 1850’s there was a line drawn on a sectional basis- the proverbial North versus South.  Today, the lines are ideological.

Today, we can look at an electoral map and see that there is indeed somewhat of a sectional divide.  There is a huge swath of red between the blue West coast and Northeast.  But, it is also disingenuous to say that the country’s map is dividing along sectional lines.  In many states such as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Florida, there are deep divisions in each state.  Because Trump won these states in 2016 is no reason to believe he will repeat that feat in 2020.  The margins of victory were not that great and a small shift here or there can change the electoral map.

In other words, today’s divide is not as clear-cut sectional as it was leading up to the Civil War.  Instead, the divide is more ideological in nature.

In part 2, this writer will look at the situation today using not only the analogy of the Civil War to see if we are headed to a second one, but also look a further back in American history to see if the seeds of a new Civil War are an inevitability and what, if any, could be the fuses to ignite the powder keg.

part 2 here:

https://www.redstate.com/diary/davenj1/2019/07/28/headed-second-civil-war-part-2/

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1 hour ago, cbfalcon said:

Was it the shorts joke? I made that joke because I didn’t think anyone here had those, so I didn’t expect anyone to take it personally. But I have to admit I didn’t think about you. So yeah, I apologize. 

I laughed

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3 hours ago, cbfalcon said:

I don’t know if that is my best, but I do feel pretty good about it, yeah.

But I’ve always had the type sense of humor I find quite funny. 

cbfalcon: "I hate it here. It used to be so much better before."

Me: "So go somewhere else."

cbfalcon: "You where American flag shorts. hahaahaa.."

Me: "So go away if you hate it here. Why do you keep posting if you hate it so much?"

cbfalcon: "I amuse myself so good. Hahahaha."

Me: "Ok."

cbfalcon: "I hate this place. So many people here don't love us democrat idiots. Trump is a dumb-dumb. He doesn't like stupidity. He is so intolerant."

Me: ":mellow:"

 

 

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10 hours ago, lod001 said:

The invention of smart phones makes this impossible. The govt will shut down communications with all devices immediately and for the not so obvious reason. The masses of retards will:

1. Forget all about the civil war because they are trying to figure out why they cant text and FB and tweet.
2. They will not know what to do next because their phone can't tell them but they will have forgot all about the civil unrest they were participating in, 10 minutes ago.
3. They will start to convulse like a heroin junkie looking for a fix as their best buddy no longer communicates.

Yeah. I go through this exact scenario whenever my VPN gets blocked.

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On June 15, 2019 at 2:21 AM, riversco said:

The key factor is loss of trust.  You can't have civil war without loss of trust in the system.  Democrats still trust the system.  Nowadays, republican trust has collapsed to nothing.  For example, in 2000, 50% of republicans actually trusted the media.  50%!  Think about that.  50% of republicans trusted the New York Times, CNN, network news, etc.  Today its basically zero.  So that tells us republicans are now a disenfranchised group. 

When a nation has a disenfranchised group within in own borders, it needs to work hard to make them feel more included in society and that they have a future.  If that doesn't occur you're going to get civil war.  So that means the correct path is to make white republicans feel more included. There is NO chance that will happen, instead our society will continue to hunt "white nationalists" until there is an event that sparks civil war.

Not only is civil war a great threat but we're barrelling towards it as fast as we can.

Usually, tempers flare in the summer and every summer going forward I expect unrest to break out and we're lucky if it doesn't.

This post is hilarious.  Remember when Kaep made his protest about police brutality.  You had a group of people that felt disenfranchised, to the point they felt people were being killed or targeted, etc.. Instead of addressing the issues, you all just said shut up.  This isn't an agreement with Kaeps stance.  It just should have been easy enough for people who disagreed to address.  You chose not to and went with shut up.  But now from you its boo hoo white republicans need to feel more included.   stfu.  

To note..it's the righties on this site that keep talking about civil war.

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18 hours ago, riversco said:

ive been running some social experiments with the idea of civil war.   I assemble groups of liberal test subjects and expose them to false breaking news that civil unrest has broken out.  My favorite game scenario is that the trump rallies evolve into civil unrest as alt righters riot.  I think that will be the correct scenario anyway.  

Whats interesting is the reaction from my liberal test subjects is almost always the same.  They immediately brand all republicans as traitors and try to drape themselves in the flag and lay claim to represent the “real america”

ive then assembled groups of conservative / alt right test subjects and exposed them to false news that civil unrest has broken out at a trump rally with republicans rioting AND added the step that the left has branded them as traitors in order to try to get a preview of what happens next.  

In my experiments, some republicans feel rioting is wrong.  Most actually level countercharges that the left are traitors and that the trump rally rioters are the true patriots.   

Thats as far as ive gone in my experiments but i think i have a pretty good feel of how itll play out.  Once civil unrest begins, the country will rapidly accelerate the process of tearing itself in half instead of coming together.

 

You need a new hobby. 

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30 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

This post is hilarious.  Remember when Kaep made his protest about police brutality.  You had a group of people that felt disenfranchised, to the point they felt people were being killed or targeted, etc.. Instead of addressing the issues, you all just said shut up.  This isn't an agreement with Kaeps stance.  It just should have been easy enough for people who disagreed to address.  You chose not to and went with shut up.  But now from you its boo hoo white republicans need to feel more included.   stfu.  

To note..it's the righties on this site that keep talking about civil war.

Why wouldn't you tell Kaep to shut up? He's an inarticulate moron spewing falsehoods. You're supposed to engage those people? 

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why wouldn't you tell Kaep to shut up? He's an inarticulate moron spewing falsehoods. You're supposed to engage those people? 

We should not silence Kaep, not at all, but we should challenge and assail his stupidity, the stupidity of his protest.....

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