Hunting on the Outdoor Channel

[peenie 1,690]

I love nature but found myself in tears watching men hunt deer and moose. One guy was delighted teaching his young daughter to kill deer. 

 

When the deer or moose stops and looks towards you, I see beauty. Yet, the hunter sees an opportunity to shoot it dead. 

Isn't this rather sick? Isn't hunting for fun a sign of a mentally impaired evil person?

But.... I eat meat and wear leather. Maybe I just allow other people do my dirty work for me? I get to feel kind and good while I let the meat packing industry kill the animals for me. 

If anyone hunts I'd like to know how you reconcile killing for sport. Yeah, yeah too many deer.... I mean, how do you not feel pain killing something that was once beautifully alive. Like imagine if people shot your dog for fun. 

[Alias Detective 1,179]

It’s easy.  Don’t watch.

[Alias Detective 1,179]

As fo the killing.   I always feel some sadness for the animal but my feelings are quickly put in check by my statement below.

 

I live in PA.  Deer hunting is the single most effective way to control a deer population that is in need of controlling.  Without deer hunting many people would starve, deer would suffer starvation and vehicle accidents and human deaths, as a result, would be in far greater numbers.

 

Deer hunting is a God send and you should be very thankful to those who choose to do it.

[peenie 1,690]

Just know, I'm really trying to understand and not judge. 

[Drizzay 645]

Don't put "hunting" on the hunting channel and real hunting in the same category.

 

If you go to a "farm" and shoot animals, which are constantly baited at a specific time in a specific place on said farm, it is NOT hunting.

 

Most of those shows do that.

[drobeski 3,061]

Would you feel better if they ripped them in pieces from their mothers twats just before they are to be born ?

[NorthernVike 2,080]

After the kill, the remorse lessens quickly as you realize the work has just begun.   Time to gut the animal, drag it to your vehicle,  skin it, and then cut it up and package it.  Then and only then do you finally get the chance to enjoy your hard work with a meal of fresh meat.  

[BiPolarBear 476]

It is the money collected from hunting and fishing licenses, as well as the numerous conservation groups sponsored by outdoor types, such as Ducks Unlimited, and United Anglers of California, that protect the health and numbers of the wild species. 

Alias Detective is correct. Thousands of people are fed by hunters who join State sponsored hunts that provide meat to poor individuals. 

If you want to pity an animal, may I suggest a dairy cow. They are kept pregnant for their productive lives, so they will secrete milk.Their calves don't get to drink the milk intended for them...no: You drink it. After the cow can no longer produce milk, it is led off to a slaughter house. 25% of the beef we eat is dairy cows. 

 

 

[NorthernVike 2,080]

20 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Would you feel better if they ripped them in pieces from their mothers twats just before they are to be born ?

Good to see you're back to winning threads.  

[Bert 1,091]

Just now, NorthernVike said:

After the kill, the remorse lessens quickly as you realize the work has just begun.   Time to gut the animal, drag it to your vehicle,  skin it, and then cut it up and package it.  Then and only then do you finally get the chance to enjoy your hard work with a meal of fresh meat.  

And don't forget about the arguments about how much cayenne is too much cayenne and how much pork you should use when you are making deer sausage.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

Just now, Bert said:

And don't forget about the arguments about how much cayenne is too much cayenne and how much pork you should use when you are making deer sausage.

Never to much cayenne and it's always 50/50. 

[Bert 1,091]

3 minutes ago, BiPolarBear said:

It is the money collected from hunting and fishing licenses, as well as the numerous conservation groups sponsored by outdoor types, such as Ducks Unlimited, and California Anglers, that protect the health and numbers of the wild species. 

Alias Detective is correct. Thousands of people are fed by hunters who join State sponsored hunts that provide meat to poor individuals. 

If you want to pity an animal, may I suggest a dairy cow. They are kept pregnant for their productive lives, so they will secrete milk.Their calves don't get to drink the milk intended for them...no: You drink it. After the cow can no longer produce milk, it is led off to a slaughter house. 25% of the beef we eat is dairy cows. 

 

 

I am John D. Rockefeller and I approve this message. 

[Bert 1,091]

3 minutes ago, NorthernVike said:

Never to much cayenne and it's always 50/50. 

I use 50/50 as well but there are members of my family that like 60/40, which, as you know is too damn lean for sausage.

[fandandy 3,311]

It's a lifestyle and not at all evil.  I wasn't raised around hunting but where I live the opening day of deer hunting season is like a holiday.  Young and old men reminiscing with each other and telling their stories.  It's a big bonding time.  I went hunting once when I was a kid.  I hated it but to each their own.

I think if you honestly wanted to see something that seemed evil go tour a factory farm.  You might become a vegan.  

[NorthernVike 2,080]

26 minutes ago, Bert said:

I use 50/50 as well but there are members of my family that like 60/40, which, as you know is too damn lean for sausage.

You're like me.  You like your sausage plump and juicy.   

[Cdub100 3,380]

It's the circle of life.

[the s is ilent 69]

I would rather have a healthy herd of deer managed through the department of natural resources than a starving invasive herd that wants to eat my shrubs. 

[kutulu 1,545]

 

[NorthernVike 2,080]

21 minutes ago, the s is ilent said:

I would rather have a healthy herd of deer managed through the department of natural resources than a starving invasive herd that wants to eat my shrubs. 

Healthy is the key here.  If Chronic Wasting Disease transfers from deer to cattle then they'll biotch that not enough was done to protect their hamburger. 

[Cdub100 3,380]

BTW that feeling you have is perfectly natural. That is why men hunted and the women took care of the home.

[SenatorRock 708]

I am not a hunter but live in an area where elk, sheep, and antelope hunting are big.

Most hunters I know fill their freezers and have meat for the year for their family. Many of them keep the head/racks as trophies and some of them like to share on social media.

It isn't so much a "sport" as it is a way of life. People have been hunting for thousands of years to provide meat for their family/tribe. As mentioned above it is also a bonding experience for families and friends to pass down the generations.

Hunting is highly regulated, they have to apply to a lottery for a tag and are only allowed to kill one animal, in a specific location, during a specific time. Some hunts are lifetime tags, meaning you get to shoot a bear, or moose, or oryx once in your life. (there are some exceptions if the animal is over populating or a threat to other species)

Because of the strict limits hunters are very picky about what they shoot. If it is on private land they tend to target older males that tend to be larger (more meat, bigger racks) and past their reproductive prime.

They don't just go out every Saturday shooting at any and all species that cross their path. If they have a bull elk tag they may see 100 deer but can't take a shot. Same if a cow elk crosses their path, can't shoot it.

The wildlife management department for each section/territory has biologists that track the species throughout the year to determine population size and health. The number of tags for that section is based on the changing demographics of the specific animal.

https://county10.com/wyoming-game-and-fish-completes-big-game-counts-near-pinedale/

Most hunters also spend time prior to the hunt perfecting their marksmanship. A skilled hunter wants to hit the animal in a specific spot to ensure a quick and painless (as possible) kill. When done properly, it is the most humane way that animal can die. The other options are to get hit by a vehicle and have a slow death on the side of a road. Or have a bear or mountain lion rip them apart limb by limb.

Are their shithead hunters out there who don't respect the animal or the laws. Unfortunately yes. Most hunters though treat it as a privilege to be able to go into the wild and be a part of nature.

As someone else mentioned, the fees from hunting licenses and specific tags bring in millions of dollars that go directly towards fish and wildlife management.

In places where hunting is illegal, the animals are still killed, either by poachers or government employees.

 

ETA: some places allow you to shoot certain species, like wild boars and coyotes, without any restrictions

[BiPolarBear 476]

1 hour ago, SenatorRock said:

 

 

 

ETA: some places allow you to shoot certain species, like wild boars and coyotes, without any restrictions

 

[sderk 1,040]

It's the ghetto dear that cause all the issues around town. Shoot to kill.

[SenatorRock 708]

19 minutes ago, BiPolarBear said:

 

For anyone wondering why this is legal and encouraged:

https://www.helibacon.com/wild-hog-problem/

[Kopy 491]

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 7:04 AM, Alias Detective said:

As fo the killing.   I always feel some sadness for the animal but my feelings are quickly put in check by my statement below.

 

I live in PA.  Deer hunting is the single most effective way to control a deer population that is in need of controlling.  Without deer hunting many people would starve, deer would suffer starvation and vehicle accidents and human deaths, as a result, would be in far greater numbers.

 

Deer hunting is a God send and you should be very thankful to those who choose to do it.

Plus. Sticking one of those f0ckers In the crock pot with some bacon Is fanfockintastic!

 

[peenie 1,690]

11 hours ago, BiPolarBear said:

 

I could only watch 3 min

[peenie 1,690]

On 3/29/2019 at 8:02 AM, NorthernVike said:

After the kill, the remorse lessens quickly as you realize the work has just begun.   Time to gut the animal, drag it to your vehicle,  skin it, and then cut it up and package it.  Then and only then do you finally get the chance to enjoy your hard work with a meal of fresh meat.  

I have no idea how guys in the middle of nowhere in Alaska kill a huge moose and drag it anywhere. How do they get the antlers off. Do they just leave the dead body right there? 

[Cloaca du jour 2,064]

On 3/29/2019 at 7:31 AM, peenie said:

Just know, I'm really trying to understand and not judge. 

Google the deer ebola that is killing them due to overpopulation.

[tubby_mcgee 686]

On 3/29/2019 at 5:36 AM, peenie said:

I love nature but found myself in tears watching men hunt deer and moose. One guy was delighted teaching his young daughter to kill deer. 

 

When the deer or moose stops and looks towards you, I see beauty. Yet, the hunter sees an opportunity to shoot it dead. 

Isn't this rather sick? Isn't hunting for fun a sign of a mentally impaired evil person?

But.... I eat meat and wear leather. Maybe I just allow other people do my dirty work for me? I get to feel kind and good while I let the meat packing industry kill the animals for me. 

If anyone hunts I'd like to know how you reconcile killing for sport. Yeah, yeah too many deer.... I mean, how do you not feel pain killing something that was once beautifully alive. Like imagine if people shot your dog for fun. 

 

Hunting is allowed.

Murder isn't.

How do libs justify shooting each other in  the innards of Chicago, Jersey, Atlanta, ?   

 

And how do you wander around in life, worried about and spending time whining about what others are doing?   Just move forward, do your thing.  You'd be more successful.   Just sayin.  
 

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

7 hours ago, peenie said:

I could only watch 3 min

One of my all time fav vids

[MDC 5,890]

Can’t judge hunting because I’m not a vegetarian / vegan but I don’t understand why somebody would enjoy shooting an animal. Not saying it’s necessarily wrong but I don’t get the enjoyment there.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,642]

If I had my way, hunters would get 5 tags per season. If they didn't kill the 5 that year they would be required to kill 6 the next year. And so on 

[NorthernVike 2,080]

57 minutes ago, MDC said:

Can’t judge hinting because I’m not a vegetarian / vegan but I don’t understand why somebody would enjoy shooting an animal. Not saying it’s necessarily wrong but I don’t get the enjoyment there.

Do you realize that it can be an incredible challenge?   Hunting in real life is nothing like you see on TV. Ive gone entire seasons without seeing a deer.  And some years I've hiked 10 miles before I've gotten a shot. But when you do jarvest an animal,  it's very rewarding. 

[MDC 5,890]

16 minutes ago, NorthernVike said:

Do you realize that it can be an incredible challenge?   Hunting in real life is nothing like you see on TV. Ive gone entire seasons without seeing a deer.  And some years I've hiked 10 miles before I've gotten a shot. But when you do jarvest an animal,  it's very rewarding. 

Not saying there isn’t any skill involved, just that I don’t know why anybody would want to do it.

[SenatorRock 708]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

Not saying there isn’t any skill involved, just that I don’t know why anybody would want to do it.

Fresh, organic meat. Provided by your own hand rather than a meat factory and corporate grocery distribution chain. Price wise it is probably not much cheaper after you factor in equipment, license/tags, processing and shipping fees, taxidermy fees, etc. But it comes with a sense of accomplishment and pride.

I don't have the skills to hunt, and if I did I don't know if I could take the shot. I sure as shite would be a poosay about cleaning the animal.

I have watched some guys gut and dress a deer and had to pretend like I wasn't going to puke or faint the entire time

There isn't much desire to go sit in a tree stand and shoot a deer but going on an elk hunt that involved hiking/backpacking in and out, stalking over several days, and ending with a freezer full of organic meat for the year sounds awesome.

I can't even hit a target at 10 yards though so that is all just a fantasy at this point in my life.

[frank 2,144]

11 hours ago, peenie said:

I could only watch 3 min

Now you know what porn is like for us. 

[peenie 1,690]

On ‎3‎/‎31‎/‎2019 at 5:29 PM, Frozenbeernuts said:

One of my all time fav vids

The poor pigs!!  

[NorthernVike 2,080]

22 minutes ago, peenie said:

The poor pigs!!  

[wiffleball 4,640]

Shooting. Like in Texas, it's really more like a shooting. You spread corn or what the hell ever 365 days a year in the same spot. The deer get used to it. Then you dress in about $900 worth of camouflage square yourself with deer piss climbing to hunting stand with the rifle that could take out a Bradley Fighting vehicle from 3 miles away with a laser-sighted scope. Deer stops, gets mouth full of food. Blam! You shoot the thing from like 30 yards away.

 

Yeah, not hunting.

[the s is ilent 69]

Most hunting clubs encourage removing the genetically inferior specimens. With a healthy, well managed herd the opportunity to harvest a trophy are greatly increased. 

While you call it killing, the end result is conservation.