AOC: VA system has highest quality care

[Djgb13 2,338]

And people think Trump says stupid things

 

 

https://www.theblaze.com/news/aoc-praises-failed-va-system?utm_content=buffer9d102&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=theblaze&fbclid=IwAR2T1RXfxgHR3LF73rcendzg6Z_vglCdH94ud3bz3WWpuSb4-_XHFoZ98RU

[Baker Boy 1,477]

Horror Show: More Than 100 Veterans Died Waiting For Care At Los Angeles VA Hospital

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/05/08/horror-show-100-veterans-died-waiting-care-los-angeles-va-hospital/

 

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6 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Horror Show: More Than 100 Veterans Died Waiting For Care At Los Angeles VA Hospital

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/05/08/horror-show-100-veterans-died-waiting-care-los-angeles-va-hospital/

 

To a socialist, this is a good healthcare system......those too weak to survive are killed off, costs drop since the unhealthy die....

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Why did Mick Jagger come to the U.S. to get his ticker operated on if the socialized medical system of UK is so great?

[MDC 5,877]

8 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

Why did Mick Jagger come to the U.S. to get his ticker operated on if the socialized medical system of UK is so great?

Our quality of care is great. Cost and access is our problem.

[supermike80 1,285]

Boring...Who cares what AOC says...I've lost the tiny little bit of interest I had.  Her 15 minutes are up

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15 minutes ago, MDC said:

Our quality of care is great. Cost and access is our problem.

Yes, there is no Utopian solution.  

[iam90sbaby 2,120]

Look at her video she pinned on Twitter. She’s really dumb. 

 

 

 

[MDC 5,877]

38 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

Yes, there is no Utopian solution.  

True. We should consider overall quality of care along with access, cost and long term sustainability. I definitely think we can do better than a HC system that costs more per capita than any other nation and leaves millions uninsured while premiums go up by 10% per year. 

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3 minutes ago, MDC said:

True. We should consider overall quality of care along with access, cost and long term sustainability. I definitely think we can do better than a HC system that costs more per capita than any other nation and leaves millions uninsured while premiums go up by 10% per year. 

I'm sure you are the only one to figure this out. 

[RLLD 3,455]

5 minutes ago, MDC said:

True. We should consider overall quality of care along with access, cost and long term sustainability. I definitely think we can do better than a HC system that costs more per capita than any other nation and leaves millions uninsured while premiums go up by 10% per year. 

I think the only hope for improvement is to get the government OUT of it, deregulate it, open competition up.

[iam90sbaby 2,120]

1 minute ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

I think the only hope for improvement is to get the government OUT of it, deregulate it, open competition up.

I said something similar to pen one time. His reply was that when it was less regulated in the past, doctors were better businessmen than they were doctors. I don’t think he grasped how the free market works.

[MDC 5,877]

32 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

I think the only hope for improvement is to get the government OUT of it, deregulate it, open competition up.

I think the fact that every other developed nation manages to cover their entire population while spending less than the US per capita on HC points toward the opposite conclusion.

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8 minutes ago, MDC said:

I think the fact that every other developed nation manages to cover their entire population while spending less than the US per capita on HC points toward the opposite conclusion.

 

Unless they fly to America to get their healthcare since quality is more important than cost, like Mick Jagger....

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28 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

 

Unless they fly to America to get their healthcare since quality is more important than cost, like Mick Jagger....

The best way to judge a HC system is the quality of care it delivers to billionaires.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

Our quality of care is great. Cost and access is our problem.

Cost and access is great in socialized medical systems? Wait times? Quality?

[RLLD 3,455]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

The best way to judge a HC system is the quality of care it delivers to billionaires.

There are few billionaires, of those perhaps they all come to America to get healthcare, who knows.... plenty of people have health coverage, more would if it were not artificially expensive due to government interference.

[MDC 5,877]

1 minute ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

There are few billionaires, of those perhaps they all come to America to get healthcare, who knows.... plenty of people have health coverage, more would if it were not artificially expensive due to government interference.

I was humorously making fun of the idea that where Mick Jagger gets healthcare is relevant to the overall quality of that country’s health system.  

Our healthcare is more expensive than any socialized system on earth. 

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26 minutes ago, MDC said:

I was humorously making fun of the idea that where Mick Jagger gets healthcare is relevant to the overall quality of that country’s health system.  

Our healthcare is more expensive than any socialized system on earth. 

Agree on Jagger abandoning the 'better" solutions in Europe to happily pay for our services style here in America being rather humorous.

Also agree that our system is too expensive, mainly because it lack true free market status. Get the government to back off and it will over time reach an equilibrium.

[MDC 5,877]

14 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

Agree on Jagger abandoning the 'better" solutions in Europe to happily pay for our services style here in America being rather humorous.

Also agree that our system is too expensive, mainly because it lack true free market status. Get the government to back off and it will over time reach an equilibrium.

The fact that a multimillionaire pays out of pocket to get heart surgery here definitively PROVES that our system is superior.

I can’t respond to your free market claim because you don’t support it. Just saying in the real world there are actual examples of single payer systems that are cheaper and cover everyone. 

A well functioning free market system seems to only exist in Randian fantasyland.

[Alias Detective 1,179]

4 hours ago, Djgb13 said:

And people think Trump says stupid things

 

 

https://www.theblaze.com/news/aoc-praises-failed-va-system?utm_content=buffer9d102&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=theblaze&fbclid=IwAR2T1RXfxgHR3LF73rcendzg6Z_vglCdH94ud3bz3WWpuSb4-_XHFoZ98RU

Even tho she may be wrong I wonder how she could she is wrong.  If ANYONE deserves the best of the best it’s the Veterans.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

14 minutes ago, MDC said:

The fact that a multimillionaire pays out of pocket to get heart surgery here definitively PROVES that our system is superior.

The reason it is superior is free market/capitalism. 

Socialism would ruin the quality. Always has; always will.

[RLLD 3,455]

20 minutes ago, MDC said:

The fact that a multimillionaire pays out of pocket to get heart surgery here definitively PROVES that our system is superior.

I can’t respond to your free market claim because you don’t support it. Just saying in the real world there are actual examples of single payer systems that are cheaper and cover everyone. 

A well functioning free market system seems to only exist in Randian fantasyland.

Good points.

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41 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

The reason it is superior is free market/capitalism. 

Socialism would ruin the quality. Always has; always will.

You guys misuse socialism all the time. In a truly socialist system the state would own the hospital and the provider would work for the government. In a single payer system the government would pool buying power but the patient would be the payer. 

You could probably go single payer and have a more cash based and legitimately free market HC system. 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

You guys misuse socialism all the time. In a truly socialist system the state would own the hospital and the provider would work for the government. In a single payer system the government would pool buying power but the patient would be the payer. 

You could probably go single payer and have a more cash based and legitimately free market HC system. 

If it resulted in quality health care anywhere else in the world, why do the rich/famous come to America to get their surgeries?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

 

MDC 

there is a reason why it’s affordable in other countries. They don’t develop and new procedures or medications. They wait til we discover something then take it and use it. Without the current us healthcare system the rest of the world suffers

 

bottom line no country in the world is even remotely close to the care we provide

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

We have ran this experiment in the United States for 20 years now. Private market without regulations works. Lasic eye surgery is the perfect example. 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Under the single payer system, if I like my doctor can I keep my doctor? 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,588]

I love my health insurance. I sacrificed and worked for it. Why should I have to give it up? 

[Strike 3,949]

28 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

MDC 

there is a reason why it’s affordable in other countries. They don’t develop and new procedures or medications. They wait til we discover something then take it and use it. Without the current us healthcare system the rest of the world suffers

 

bottom line no country in the world is even remotely close to the care we provide

Also, many countries cap what drug companies can charge in their country.  The drug companies still want to sell there so they adhere to those limits.  They know they can just jack up the price in the U.S. to meet their profit goals.  One of the ways that has been floated to deal with this issue is to allow the reimportation of drugs, which is currently illegal.  Think about that.  We would manufacture the drugs and ship them to another country, but it is still significantly cheaper to buy it from that country and import it back!  It's easy to have lower prices when you force the U.S. to subsidize your costs.

[Djgb13 2,338]

1 hour ago, Alias Detective said:

Even tho she may be wrong I wonder how she could she is wrong.  If ANYONE deserves the best of the best it’s the Veterans.

I literally just talked to a veteran Friday who told me he’s attempted suicide twice already cause he just can’t handle the VA anymore. He almost broke down in front of me because of it. I feel for these guys cause those were the Vietnam veteran guys who when they got out haven’t gotten quality healthcare for decades. Especially mental health counseling. Some of them are too far gone to counsel and end up taking their life. 

[MDC 5,877]

46 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

If it resulted in quality health care anywhere else in the world, why do the rich/famous come to America to get their surgeries?

Back to this stupid question?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,588]

10 minutes ago, Djgb13 said:

I literally just talked to a veteran Friday who told me he’s attempted suicide twice already cause he just can’t handle the VA anymore. He almost broke down in front of me because of it. I feel for these guys cause those were the Vietnam veteran guys who when they got out haven’t gotten quality healthcare for decades. Especially mental health counseling. Some of them are too far gone to counsel and end up taking their life. 

That's horrible. My heart goes out to that Vet you encountered. Keep us up to date on him. Hoping for the best. 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Back to this stupid question?

You keep falling back to "Our health care is superb so let's fock it up". You want more affordable health care, get a different job with better insurance and don't fock it up for the rest of us.

[MDC 5,877]

21 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

You keep falling back to "Our health care is superb so let's fock it up". You want more affordable health care, get a different job with better insurance and don't fock it up for the rest of us.

I have good health insurance. Our HC system sucks. Hopefully Trump replaces the ACA with “something wonderful” as promised, maybe after he erases the debt and gets Mexico to buy is the Wall.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Maybe when he's done putting all your party's criminals behind bars or executed for treason. 

[MDC 5,877]

10 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

Maybe when he's done putting all your party's criminals behind bars or executed for treason. 

Gary Johnson’s getting executed?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

Gary Johnson’s getting executed?

You've been carrying the Dems spent condoms around in your prison wallet for the last 2.5 years..................

[MDC 5,877]

1 minute ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

You've been carrying the Dems spent condoms around in your prison wallet for the last 2.5 years..................

I didn’t even vote for Hill.

You’ve been carrying Trump’s nuts on your chin since 2016. At least Stormy got paid.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

I didn’t even vote for Hill.

Sure you didn't.........