drobeski 3,061 Posted May 6, 2019 Contempt is bad! Right ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,009 Posted May 6, 2019 He didn't show up for a congressional subpoena, I'm a little surprised he wasn't found in contempt immediately---admittedly, I don't know if it's the same as not showing up to court when subpoena'd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted May 6, 2019 S 3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: He didn't show up for a congressional subpoena, I'm a little surprised he wasn't found in contempt immediately---admittedly, I don't know if it's the same as not showing up to court when subpoena'd. Either way ....contempt is really really bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,715 Posted May 6, 2019 Meh. Holder was held in contempt of congress. Nothing happened to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,009 Posted May 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, 5-Points said: Meh. Holder was held in contempt of congress. Nothing happened to him. Well - then I agree, if it the punishment is a big nothingburger, than Meh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 2,493 Posted May 6, 2019 The liberal nut jobs in the House just want SOMETHING, ANYTHING at this point to get a win. Unfortunately for them, this is another loss they're going to take on the chin. At this rate, in 2020 Trump and the GOP are going to slaughter the Democrats. People are seeing just how crazy, unhinged and hysterical these guys are in their corrupt attempts to gain power. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,715 Posted May 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: Well - then I agree, if it the punishment is a big nothingburger, than Meh. It seems to be more symbolic than anything else. Holder didn't suffer any consequences whatsoever IIRC. No fines or jail time. He didn't even have to step down as AG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted May 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: He didn't show up for a congressional subpoena, I'm a little surprised he wasn't found in contempt immediately---admittedly, I don't know if it's the same as not showing up to court when subpoena'd. The subpeona was for the Report, not Barr. Barr can't legally release it because it focuses too much on obstruction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted May 6, 2019 What did Roseanne do now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted May 7, 2019 On 5/6/2019 at 1:54 PM, Mike Honcho said: He didn't show up for a congressional subpoena, I'm a little surprised he wasn't found in contempt immediately---admittedly, I don't know if it's the same as not showing up to court when subpoena'd. The charge against him was not providing 500+ COMPLETELY UNREDACTED copies of Mueller report to Congress. That would be highly illegal for Barr to do so. By law he is only permitted to release as much as he has. The Dems want to see who else is being criminally referred in section D5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,631 Posted May 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said: The charge against him was not providing 500+ COMPLETELY UNREDACTED copies of Mueller report to Congress. That would be highly illegal for Barr to do so. By law he is only permitted to release as much as he has. Honestly, where are you getting that from? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted May 8, 2019 7 hours ago, wiffleball said: Honestly, where are you getting that from? I am curious, are you aware of some element of the law that congress is not? Quote "Since first communicating its need to obtain this information, the Committee has acknowledged the Attorney General’s legal and policy concerns regarding release of these materials and has sought to negotiate an accommodation acceptable to both the Attorney General and the Committee," the report stated. "Nevertheless, Attorney General Barr failed to comply with the Committee’s request for these documents and thereby has hindered the Committee’s constitutional, oversight, and legislative functions." Link If you object to this, you need to go back to what seems to be the source for all the legal stances the Dem's seem to detest.,......the Dems themselves, notably the Clintons. Quote The Clinton Justice Department crafted the special counsel regulations to ensure that the relatively independent special counsel was properly restrained and accountable. Link Quote In this light, and especially in light of subsequent events, I fail to see how Barr warrants the super-harsh personal criticism he has received over the letter. Those subsequent events include (i) publicly clarifying that he, Barr, did not purport to capture or summarize everything in Mueller’s report; (ii) working around the clock to get the relatively lightly redacted report made public—something Barr had no legal duty to do; (iii) testifying twice before Congress to explain his reasoning; and (iv) allowing Mueller to testify before Congress if he wants. These are not the actions of a man trying to mischaracterize the report or hide the ball. And they cured any objections that might have properly been lodged against the quickly written original letter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted May 8, 2019 8 hours ago, wiffleball said: Honestly, where are you getting that from? https://clarion.causeaction.com/2019/05/06/here-we-go-nadler-unveils-contempt-charge-against-barr/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,009 Posted May 8, 2019 14 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said: The charge against him was not providing 500+ COMPLETELY UNREDACTED copies of Mueller report to Congress. That would be highly illegal for Barr to do so. By law he is only permitted to release as much as he has. The Dems want to see who else is being criminally referred in section D5. You are correct, I was wrong that the contempt violation was due to not showing up for the hearing. I'd not followed it close enough to learn the details, appreciate the extra information. I'll have to do a little more reading/research to find out how/why Nadler believes he has a case here. Thanks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted May 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: You are correct, I was wrong that the contempt violation was due to not showing up for the hearing. I'd not followed it close enough to learn the details, appreciate the extra information. I'll have to do a little more reading/research to find out how/why Nadler believes he has a case here. Thanks. Couple things with Nadler proceeding with that. So he thinks he can order Barr to break the law? Isn't that in itself breaking the law? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted May 8, 2019 Sensenbrenner just nailed it: "I can't believe the majority of this committee is asking the Attorney General to commit a crime" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted May 8, 2019 36 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said: Sensenbrenner just nailed it: "I can't believe the majority of this committee is asking the Attorney General to commit a crime" Conspiracy? https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,477 Posted May 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Filthy Fernadez said: Couple things with Nadler proceeding with that. So he thinks he can order Barr to break the law? Isn't that in itself breaking the law? They are setting traps, just like they have been doing for the past 3 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted May 8, 2019 Nadler is a 5 year old playing with matches. All results are bad. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,009 Posted May 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said: Couple things with Nadler proceeding with that. So he thinks he can order Barr to break the law? Isn't that in itself breaking the law? I've read a couple of things and don't see anything that contradicts your assertion that Barr is protecting the confidentiality of the Grand Jury material, so unless I've missed something, yeah it seems he's asking the AG to break the law. If I find a better legal explanation for Nadler's thought process I'll post, but so far I haven't come across it yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted May 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: I've read a couple of things and don't see anything that contradicts your assertion that Barr is protecting the confidentiality of the Grand Jury material, so unless I've missed something, yeah it seems he's asking the AG to break the law. If I find a better legal explanation for Nadler's thought process I'll post, but so far I haven't come across it yet. I believe the Dems are taking the stance "We have oversight and we get to see everything!" Not according to law they don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted May 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said: I believe the Dems are taking the stance "We have oversight and we get to see everything!" Not according to law they don't. If they want to see it then they should change the law. And I bet they would as that approach would fit well with their historical behaviors to do stuff that serves their immediate need while screwing things up for them in the future....so focking stupid.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted May 8, 2019 Can anyone give a valid reason why Nadler and company would be doing this (demanding Barr break the law)? They're offering all sorts of excuses but seriously; for those that support the Democrats; why would they do this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted May 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said: Can anyone give a valid reason why Nadler and company would be doing this (demanding Barr break the law)? They're offering all sorts of excuses but seriously; for those that support the Democrats; why would they do this? They need to discredit Barr, it is imperative to them keeping the obstruction and collusion narrative alive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted May 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said: They need to discredit Barr, it is imperative to them keeping the obstruction and collusion narrative alive. Agreed but I want one of the left leaners here to come up with a valid reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted May 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said: Agreed but I want one of the left leaners here to come up with a valid reason. Orange man bad 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted May 14, 2019 According to the NYT, Barr appointed Connecticut U.S. Attorney named John Durham to investigate the origins of the Trump Russia investigation. While true this guy is investigating, he's been on it since before Barr was nominated. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6fVddeWsAEvZ_a?format=jpg&name=small That's from James Baker's testimony on Oct. 3rd, 2018 PANIC in DC 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,477 Posted May 15, 2019 Bill Barr did not mince words about his brawl with House Democrats when he ran into Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday on the sidelines of a Capitol Hill event. According to a source close to the attorney general, Barr approached her in a holding tent after the National Peace Officers Memorial Service and asked whether she had brought her handcuffs. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/barr-teases-pelosi-asks-if-she-brought-her-handcuffs-on-sidelines-of-dc-event 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Hand 482 Posted May 15, 2019 31 minutes ago, Baker Boy said: Bill Barr did not mince words about his brawl with House Democrats when he ran into Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday on the sidelines of a Capitol Hill event. According to a source close to the attorney general, Barr approached her in a holding tent after the National Peace Officers Memorial Service and asked whether she had brought her handcuffs. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/barr-teases-pelosi-asks-if-she-brought-her-handcuffs-on-sidelines-of-dc-event That is outstanding! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bostonlager 2,457 Posted May 15, 2019 32 minutes ago, Baker Boy said: Bill Barr did not mince words about his brawl with House Democrats when he ran into Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday on the sidelines of a Capitol Hill event. According to a source close to the attorney general, Barr approached her in a holding tent after the National Peace Officers Memorial Service and asked whether she had brought her handcuffs. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/barr-teases-pelosi-asks-if-she-brought-her-handcuffs-on-sidelines-of-dc-event Should have pushed her down and kicked her in that dried up pusssy. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,588 Posted May 15, 2019 Meuller time is over. Time to pay the Barr tab. 2 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted May 16, 2019 Since he did not hurt anyone, can he just get credit for time served and community service and then all charges dropped, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites