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4 minutes ago, bandrus1 said:

Do you apply similar deduction to your stance on the death penalty?

Just answer my question. I’m mainly curious because I didn’t see you call anyone nuts in the post abortion thread. 

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14 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Aw, that sounds beautiful. The precious gift of life.

News flash - life ain't so precious.  Scum have kids and those kids turn out to be scum who exponentially create more scum.  People die left and right from murder, wars, accidents and horrible diseases.  Yet there's still way too damn many of us and the vast numbers are destroying the world around us.  Sorry, I don't see what's so "precious" about human life.

You had a sh!tty childhood and you are still miserable. This post made it pretty obvious 

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28 minutes ago, porkbutt said:

maybe they are just going so far the other way like what the left nutjobs are doing? basically where you can stab a live baby on the delivery table.

So you are agreeing this is equally absurd and the right is equally wrong?

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8 minutes ago, bandrus1 said:

So you are agreeing this is equally absurd and the right is equally wrong?

No it’s not equally absurd. Not allowing an abortion is a blip on the radar in comparison to killing a baby post abortion. You don’t agree?

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9 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

No it’s not equally absurd. Not allowing an abortion is a blip on the radar in comparison to killing a baby post abortion. You don’t agree?

This law makes it mandatory for a child raped by a family member to carry a child if they become pregnant. Individuals lobbied to have that added and they said no.

 

Yes it is equally absurd

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2 hours ago, bandrus1 said:

you really believe a 12 year old raped by their uncle should be forced to carry a pregnancy? 

Do you focking live in Alabama?  If not, what is your interest here other than some type of virtue signaling?

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If Trump got one of his mistresses knocked up would he want the kid? This is the guy who focked Stormy Daniels without a condom. Yuck.

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2 minutes ago, bandrus1 said:

This law makes it mandatory for a child raped by a family member to carry a child if they become pregnant. Individuals lobbied to have that added and they said no.

 

Yes it is equally absurd

I agree it’s absurd but still not in the same ballpark as killing a recently born human being and to compare the two is disgusting. 

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3 hours ago, wiffleball said:

Mostly bc it is deliberately designed to go to scotus.

Designed to go to SCOTUS to do what exactly?  Have SCOTUS determine there is no Constitutional right to abortion, thus making it a 10th Amendment province (where individual States get to decide that question)?  That's where it should have been all along.

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

If Trump got one of his mistresses knocked up would he want the kid? This is the guy who focked Stormy Daniels without a condom. Yuck.

And got paid to do it! 

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28 minutes ago, Casual Observer said:

Designed to go to SCOTUS to do what exactly?  Have SCOTUS determine there is no Constitutional right to abortion, thus making it a 10th Amendment province (where individual States get to decide that question)?  That's where it should have been all along.

If it goes 20tj, would be darn curious about the whole interstate angle.

are we going to see Roscoe p Coletrain pulling over pregnant broads on their way to neighboring states to get abortions? Will they get arrested for doing so? Will feminists start airdropping Plan B like some warped Marshall Plan? Are black abortions performed by white docs hate crimes?  If killing 20 cell globs without a heartbeat is going to be considered murder, will clipping toenails be a capital offense? Will a miscarriage be considered involuntary manslaughter?  

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8 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

But in the long run, you'll spend way more tax dollars on prison, welfare, medicaid, etc. ?

You sound like the kind of guy that says "I support the death penalty because taxes shouldn't be wasted keeping them alive in prison." .... even though we all know it costs way more to put them to death.

thats a fallacy, it only costs more cause they get 20+ years of appeals and boarding

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8 hours ago, tanatastic said:

Banning abortion won’t stop abortions, it will just raise the rate of u safe abortions carried out illegally. In the state where all the siblings knock each other up and really need abortions no less. 

Yep. It also merely makes abortion illegal for poor people. If rich girl gets knocked up, daddy can put her on a plane to whatever state or country where it's legal. Poor girls are then left with the guy with the coat hanger in the alley.

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3 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

And got paid to do it! 

You’d have to pay me to bareback horseface too. 🤮 

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3 hours ago, porkbutt said:

maybe they are just going so far the other way like what the left nutjobs are doing? basically where you can stab a live baby on the delivery table.

It's weird to me that not killing babies is an extreme view.

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6 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’d have to pay me to bareback horseface too. 🤮 

Don't bring bit tittied AOC into this. 

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2 hours ago, wiffleball said:

If it goes 20tj, would be darn curious about the whole interstate angle.

are we going to see Roscoe p Coletrain pulling over pregnant broads on their way to neighboring states to get abortions? Will they get arrested for doing so? Will feminists start airdropping Plan B like some warped Marshall Plan? Are black abortions performed by white docs hate crimes?  If killing 20 cell globs without a heartbeat is going to be considered murder, will clipping toenails be a capital offense? Will a miscarriage be considered involuntary manslaughter?  

Yes, all of that will happen, without a doubt.  I think their law bans performing abortions in their State, not travelling out of State to have one.  I think you're regressing to a 20 cell glob without a brain.

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2 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Yep. It also merely makes abortion illegal for poor people. If rich girl gets knocked up, daddy can put her on a plane to whatever state or country where it's legal. Poor girls are then left with the guy with the coat hanger in the alley.

How much can bus fare from Alabama to Florida possibly be? 

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23 hours ago, wiffleball said:

See? That's the problem. Because even doing a fast Google even our own CDC reports that we're at about 650,000 a year. Which is the lowest rate since roe v Wade.  This is also the number that the economist reports. My thinking being that both of those sources don't really have a dog in the fight.

then adding that the term abortion in some cases includes spontaneous abortions also known as miscarriages. So that definitely skews the numbers.

Would be great to get a handle on the actual numbers.

The CDC doesn't include spontaneous abortions in their abortion stats. They represent surgical or medical (medication) abortions.

Both the CDC and government officials regard The Guttmacher Institute's abortion stats as more accurate though. The Guttmacher Institute is the "independent research arm" of Planned Parenthood. Not all Planned Parenthood clinics report their figures to the CDC, and all of DC, California, and another state (I'm forgetting), just don't report abortion stats to the CDC at all.

The Guttmacher Institute has friendly access to PP sites nationwide though and it does a lot of surveys. Named for Alan Guttmacher, naturally a pro-Eugenics figure who preceded Margaret Sanger.

Black people - men and women - are about 12% of the population. 36% of abortion patients are black women.

The abortion rate has been going down steadily since peaking in 1980/81. Wider availability of and more effective contraceptives is thought to be the biggest reason.

The interesting thing about the Guttmacher Institute is they actually find it in their interest to report how widely used abortion is. For a long while (maybe still) they were prominently pointing out that "1 out of 4 women" (24%) will have an abortion before age 45. They acknowledge the abortion rate has been trending down, but they really work to communicate abortion as popular at the same time. Just so normal.

A caveat to all the stats out there: There is awareness of, but not an understanding of how significant the "black market" for non-prescribed abortion pills are. Not the main contraceptives, but pills for when you know you're pregnant and want to induce abortion, which when prescribed, tend to be considered an option up to 14 weeks.

I had to do a lot of research on this topic and my main takeaway was the fact that our world (they present other countries info too) listens to The Guttmacher Institute (which in fairness probably does have more accurate stats) considering Sanger and Guttmacher's philosophy. 

Their vision has succeeded. 

In 2016 there were more black babies aborted than carried to term in New York City. That was reported in the pro life community and outside of it to a degree.

^I saw that mentioned a couple times and finally checked the actual data with NYC Bureau of Vital Statistics. It was true to the data and true of other recent years as well.

That's :blink:

According to the last major US Census (2010): The black population "grew at a slower rate than most other major race and ethnic groups in the country.”

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“In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to instill in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman's health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics." - Adolf Hitler 1942

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After World War II, the War Crimes Tribunal indicted ten Nazi leaders for "encouraging and compelling abortion," which the tribunal considered a "crime against humanity."

 

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2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

“In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to instill in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman's health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics." - Adolf Hitler 1942

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After World War II, the War Crimes Tribunal indicted ten Nazi leaders for "encouraging and compelling abortion," which the tribunal considered a "crime against humanity."

 

That’s pretty eerie 

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On 5/17/2019 at 9:26 AM, MDC said:

It shouldn’t be.

One woman can’t charge $ to fock her. But two or more people can get paid to fock on camera while somebody else films it and sells the video and that’s fine. :wacko:

What is the difference between Pornography and Art?

 

 

A Government Grant!

 

 

 

 

 

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It's disturbing to realize we should actually have a much larger black population (saying that from the non-racist direction). There will be people who figure that's a good thing, less crime, less of a welfare state (yes, this is cringe inducing to write). 

Maybe the controlled numbers are intentional.

Maybe it's the right equilibrium.

Too many and the welfare state will be rejected because of the strain. Flirt with that line though, and try to not overstep it...while you have significant enough of a population in idealogical subjugation.

Not sure that's actually a thought prevailing behind the scenes but can't but help suspect it is.

A bigger black population and a different ideological bent though, a better America :dunno:

With more numbers, if there's a shift in thinking, that group becomes a force to be reckoned with, not a pond you can move around.

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Tyreek Hill will give ya an abortion for free. 

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Great video; something everyone needs to be aware of because of the obvious intent to mislead.

 

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21 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

I agree it’s absurd but still not in the same ballpark as killing a recently born human being and to compare the two is disgusting. 

What is really absurd is making the claim that recently born human beings can be killed without consequences or that there is any proposal to do so. 

What is really disgusting is that this bs made up lie has taken such hold with people on the right.     

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12 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

What is really absurd is making the claim that recently born human beings can be killed without consequences or that there is any proposal to do so. 

What is really disgusting is that this bs made up lie has taken such hold with people on the right.     

Whatever you say baby killer 

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19 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

What is really absurd is making the claim that recently born human beings can be killed without consequences or that there is any proposal to do so. 

What is really disgusting is that this bs made up lie has taken such hold with people on the right.     

Except that's exactly what the governer of Virginia laid out. And he's a liberal and a physician. Did that get by you? 

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15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Except that's exactly what the governer of Virginia laid out. And he's a liberal and a physician. Did that get by you? 

Got by me. Is there an article?

Maybe he just meant the black ones? I do the same thing with Rice Krispees.

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1 hour ago, naomi said:

Great video; something everyone needs to be aware of because of the obvious intent to mislead.

 

Cliffs?

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57 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Cliffs?

Yeah. Planned phood jukes the stats to make it look like they perform all sorts of women's health services when, as anyone with a clue knows, they are in the abortion business first and foremost. 

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58 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. Planned phood jukes the stats to make it look like they perform all sorts of women's health services when, as anyone with a clue knows, they are in the abortion business first and foremost. 

For every 100 abortions they REFER someone for a mammogram (even though they SAY the actually do mammograms - they don't).

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14 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

For every 100 abortions they REFER someone for a mammogram (even though they SAY the actually do mammograms - they don't).

It's so transparent. Tells you what kind of people they are. Immoral and stupid. 

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22 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

For every 100 abortions they REFER someone for a mammogram (even though they SAY the actually do mammograms - they don't).

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/newsroom/press-releases/statement-planned-parenthood-senior-director-medical-services-breast-health-services

 

Not really. At worst, seems like others misspeak. 

 

Seems like we had this convoy. MOST PCPs don't have CAT, MRI, etc onsite. You get referred to specialized facilities that share the cost of these giant monstrosities. 

Even PPs own statement says that. 

Geez, who the F cares? They provide a helluva lot more than abortions for those that care to know.

And its not like they're dragging people through their doors.

Less vitriol would be good.

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If PP didn't do abortions they would be out of business. Fact. 

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I mean, these guys provide a breakdown every year. Seems pretty transparent:

Sexually transmitted infection/disease testing and treatment: 4,470,597

Contraception: 3,577,348

Cancer screening and prevention: 935,573

Pregnancy tests: 1,128,783

Abortions: 327,653

Prenatal services: 18,684

Family practice services: 65,464

Adoption referrals: 1,880

Urinary tract infection treatments: 47,264

Other: 17,187

Based on this list, it’s accurate that abortion procedures only count for 3 percent of all services provided, meaning 97 percent of the services Planned Parenthood provides are other forms of reproductive and primary care. By far, contraception and STI/STD testing and treatment are the most frequented services.

 

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