Oberlin College Learning a Valuable Lesson

[TimmySmith 2,782]

31 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Helped them what?  I'm not following.

Just saying that being able to appoint judges (which is basically what was going on) gave senators incredible power. 

[Strike 3,968]

2 hours ago, peenie said:

Don't much about this case but I think the word steal may be better described as: a black male student tried to purchase wine but was underage. He ran out of the store and was caught and put in a choke hold. Then the story gets to long for me to care. Glad the bakery was rewarded for their maltreatment by the school.

You are as uninformed as MDC.  Not surprising though.  You often are.  I thought you were leaving?

[Fireballer 2,381]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

People like throwing the chokehold term round. And they don't know what one 

Carotid restraint

[peenie 1,690]

9 hours ago, Strike said:

You are as uninformed as MDC.  Not surprising though.  You often are.  I thought you were leaving?

I wasn't there but it seems he didn't try to shove pastries, bread or wine down his pockets. Instead, he tried to buy alcohol when he was underage. 

Yes, I left and now I'm back. I'm sure I'll get angry enough to leave again. 

 

[sderk 1,040]

14 minutes ago, peenie said:

I wasn't there but it seems he didn't try to shove pastries, bread or wine down his pockets. Instead, he tried to buy alcohol when he was underage. 

Yes, I left and now I'm back. I'm sure I'll get angry enough to leave again. 

 

It was a shoplifting incident and they plead guilty. And you have anger and hatred issues. Typical.

That college should be closed down and the students and faculty involved should have to suffer the same fate if they ever try to run a business.

[peenie 1,690]

24 minutes ago, sderk said:

It was a shoplifting incident and they plead guilty. And you have anger and hatred issues. Typical.

That college should be closed down and the students and faculty involved should have to suffer the same fate if they ever try to run a business.

I want you to NEVER EVER EVER respond to my posts, never. Do you understand? NEVER! I can't stand you. You and iam90sbsby and Strike are the worst. I'm probably going to leave again. When you three are gone, maybe I'll return. 

 

[sderk 1,040]

5 minutes ago, peenie said:

I want you to NEVER EVER EVER respond to my posts, never. Do you understand? NEVER! I can't stand you. You and iam90sbsby and Strike are the worst. I'm probably going to leave again. When you three are gone, maybe I'll return. 

 

You really don't like being called out for your filthy logic do you? 

[peenie 1,690]

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On November 9, 2016, three black students at Oberlin College made a late-afternoon trip to Gibson’s Bakery, a small, family-owned business near campus that has been serving the community at its present location since 1905. Like countless undergraduates of all races, classes, genders, and generations, they hoped to leave with alcohol but weren’t yet of age to purchase it legally.

 

A fake ID was produced and rejected.

In the moments that followed, Allyn Gibson, the owner’s son, would try to keep the fake ID, pursue the male student who had used it as he fled to the back of the store, chase him into the street yelling “Shoplifter!,” and detain him, 

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The case stems from the November 2016 arrest of Aladin, who was accused of attempted robbery for allegedly trying to "steal wine or otherwise illegally obtain wine" from the bakery with a fake ID, according to court documents.

Oberlin alleged Gibson Jr. "violently and unreasonably attacked" the student who he suspected of shoplifting, then "chased the student out of the store across West College Street and into Tappan Square .  . . where he placed the student in a chokehold." 

 

[peenie 1,690]

9 minutes ago, sderk said:

You really don't like being called out for your filthy logic do you? 

As long as this place values members like this over members like me, I'd rather not be here. 

 

[sderk 1,040]

24 minutes ago, peenie said:

As long as this place values members like this over members like me, I'd rather not be here. 

 

You do realize, that what you posted may not be true. I could post quotes to the contrary. But even.if it was, if the kids got away with buying it, they put the seller at risk of losing his liquor license. So those little fvckers only cared about themselves, and the protesters are blind as shlt to the real world. But that's not in your agenda to point out. Later peenie... 

[Baker Boy 1,485]

9 minutes ago, peenie said:

As long as this place values members like this over members like me, I'd rather not be here. 

 

"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as one of their members"- Groucho Marx

 

[Vikings4ever 496]

1 hour ago, peenie said:

I wasn't there but it seems he didn't try to shove pastries, bread or wine down his pockets. Instead, he tried to buy alcohol when he was underage. 

Yes, I left and now I'm back. I'm sure I'll get angry enough to leave again. 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/us/oberlin-bakery-lawsuit.html

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The dispute began on Nov. 9, 2016, when an Oberlin student tried to pay for a bottle of wine with a fake ID, and the store clerk noticed that the student had hidden two more bottles of wine under his coat, according to court papers.

The clerk, Allyn D. Gibson, a son and a grandson of the owners, chased the student out onto the street and tackled him, according to some witnesses, and two friends of the student, also students at Oberlin, joined in the scuffle. The bakery prosecuted the students, who are African-American and who pleaded guilty to various charges.

 

[sderk 1,040]

32 minutes ago, Vikings4ever said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/us/oberlin-bakery-lawsuit.html

 

"Oberlin student tried to pay for a bottle of wine with a fake ID, and the store clerk noticed that the student had hidden two more bottles of wine under his coat, according to court papers."

Goodbye peenie. 

Additional notes:

"Oberlin officials bought them pizza, authorized the use of student funds to pay for gloves for the cold weather and helped them to hand out fliers urging a boycott of the store, according to court papers. For just over two months, the college suspended its purchase of baked goods from Gibson’s for the college dining halls. "

 

So a store apprehends a thief and the libs freak out and want to put them out of business because the thieves were black,  and they also go crazy if another store has religious values and doesn't want a make a cake for a gay couple's wedding. 

[drobeski 3,061]

The jury was obviously racist

[jerryskids 5,199]

peenie, we value your opinions.  Please stay. 

[Strike 3,968]

Only in Peenie's mind would a kid charged with a 2nd degree felony, who pled guilty to attempted theft and read a statement in court acknowledging that the business had a right to detain him and had no racial motivation, be the victim.  Or right, because he's black.  Fock off.  Seriously!!!

[Strike 3,968]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

peenie, we value your opinions.  Please stay. 

Please don't speak for all of us.  You're welcome to your opinion.  You're even welcome to say "many of us".  But please don't suggest that you speak for all of us.

[drobeski 3,061]

Trumps America 

Fake outrage should be rewarded not punished.

[drobeski 3,061]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Please don't speak for all of us.  You're welcome to your opinion.  You're even welcome to say "many of us".  But please don't suggest that you speak for all of us.

Thank you. 

The ass kissing is pathetic 

[sderk 1,040]

Funny thing is, the stupid thieves may have gotten off with a slap on the wrist, but now since even more stupid people decided to protest, well, let's see what happens. I mean, the school already suffered, but now the runts need to come to justice.

[Strike 3,968]

1 minute ago, sderk said:

Funny thing is, the stupid thieves may have gotten off with a slap on the wrist, but now since even more stupid people decided to protest, well, let's see what happens.

What's interesting is that the judge in their case initially refused to accept the plea deal due to all the negative publicity being thrown at Gibson's.  The judge felt that the Gibson's agreed to allow the plea deal due to the protests and negative publicity.  He wrote:

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It would be a precarious and potentially dangerous precedent if a public protest would be a factor in a decision of a judge

Not sure what changed but these kids got off light.  It's amazing when people like Peenie defend them.

[sderk 1,040]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

What's interesting is that the judge in their case initially refused to accept the plea deal due to all the negative publicity being thrown at Gibson's.  The judge felt that the Gibson's agreed to allow the plea deal due to the protests and negative publicity.  He wrote:

Not sure what changed but these kids got off light.  It's amazing when people like Peenie defend them.

Well, peenie defends black people first over anything else. Including over logic and law in most cases. She is all about skin color more than anything else.

[DonS 3,067]

Race definitely makes folks insane.  If races were reversed the college would probably use the arrest as a talking point regarding underage drinking and shoplifting.  Instead they break out the torches and pitchforks and try to shut down a local business that had been around since 1905.  Not like it's the local 7-11.

[jerryskids 5,199]

33 minutes ago, Strike said:

Please don't speak for all of us.  You're welcome to your opinion.  You're even welcome to say "many of us".  But please don't suggest that you speak for all of us.

I appreciate the perspective of a black person.  And a woman to boot.  I don't agree with her in this thread any more than you do, but her comments give us insight into the black community and things to chat about.  This place is dangerously close to being a white male conservative echo chamber.  IMO. 

[Strike 3,968]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I appreciate the perspective of a black person.  And a woman to boot.  I don't agree with her in this thread any more than you do, but her comments give us insight into the black community and things to chat about.  This place is dangerously close to being a white male conservative echo chamber.  IMO. 

That's fine.  I acknowledged your right to your opinion.  Note how you started this last comment:  "I appreciate the perspective of a black person."  That's great.  You are welcome to that.  And, I do too.  I just don't appreciate the perspective of THIS PARTICULAR black person.  Because her perspective is the same in every case and I'm sick of it.  So, just like I wouldn't want to hear O.J.'s perspective on these cases, I don't want to hear hers.  And that is why you shouldn't say "we" as in all of us when expressing YOUR opinion that she stay.

[Voltaire 4,558]

I agree with Jerry in that both I'm glad that peenie is here and that her defending/downplaying the shoplifter's actions is frustrating.

[Bier Meister 1,513]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

 This place is dangerously close to being a white male conservative echo chamber.  IMO. 

Close?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,515]

15 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I agree with Jerry in that both I'm glad that peenie is here and that her defending/downplaying the shoplifter's actions is frustrating.

I agree with this also.  I don't have any issue with peenie at all.  In fact, I didn't really get that from her OP.  I thought maybe she just didn't have the full information.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,515]

9 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

Close?

I would say it's nice to have a forum where it's not inundated with far left liberals and extremists like FBGheys.  We have a healthy balance of left/right posters, with it leaning a bit right.

[Bier Meister 1,513]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I would say it's nice to have a forum where it's not inundated with far left liberals and extremists like FBGheys.  We have a healthy balance of left/right posters, with it leaning a bit right.

I would strongly disagree with the bolded.  We used to have a more balanced bored...with both productive discourse and more hostility on both sides (yet it seemed more like shtick and fun and games).

 

While I think fbg has been quick on the draw with banning/time outs, FFT has been a bit lenient with hostile posting.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,515]

6 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

I would strongly disagree with the bolded.  We used to have a more balanced bored...with both productive discourse and more hostility on both sides (yet it seemed more like shtick and fun and games).

While I think fbg has been quick on the draw with banning/time outs, FFT has been a bit lenient with hostile posting.

All I can say is that from a personal perspective after coming over from that other forum, this place is a nice breath of fresh air.  Seriously, if you ever spent any amount of time over there as a conservative it's a soul-sucking, hope crushing experience with the amount of vitriol, venom and hate for Conservatives.  What liberals can get away with over there is simply amazing.  Even Saints - who I considered pretty balanced over here and there at one point - has gone over the edge on that board.  Saints of all people. 

I do agree with you that maybe we have some posters that may go a bit to far here in some of there posts, myself included.  I'm going to try and work on that. 

[Bier Meister 1,513]

9 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

All I can say is that from a personal perspective after coming over from that other forum, this place is a nice breath of fresh air.  Seriously, if you ever spent any amount of time over there as a conservative it's a soul-sucking, crushing experience with the amount of vitriol and hate for Conservatives.  What liberals can get away with over there is simply amazing.

I do agree with you that maybe we have some posters that may go a bit to far here in some of there posts, myself included.  I'm going to try and work on that. 

I am on both forums, but do not go into the politics over there.  

I can enjoy political discussions and want to learn more about opposing viewpoints, but I do not see much opportunity to do that here any longer.  It is CNN/Fox news sound bites, and few people acknowledge points from the other side...and are loading up for their rebuttal. There is little meeting of the minds.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,515]

13 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

I am on both forums, but do not go into the politics over there.  

I can enjoy political discussions and want to learn more about opposing viewpoints, but I do not see much opportunity to do that here any longer.  It is CNN/Fox news sound bites, and few people acknowledge points from the other side...and are loading up for their rebuttal. There is little meeting of the minds.

I agree that it seems like everyone has become so polarized now, and I blame the media mostly.  It's also hard when everyone wants to just score a win instead of actually listening to the other side and it's hard when the media advocates for one side and one side only.  This is why Foxnews came into existence - there was one side that was not getting ANY representation in the media. 

It goes without saying that I include myself when I talk about polarization.  For example, It's hard for me to have a discussion with anyone who wants to change the nature of our democracy to Socialism (AOC, Bernie, Warren, etc...) or move towards completely Socialist programs.  I always think of Stalin, Mao, Khmer Roughe, North Korea when it comes up and the horrors of those types of systems.  Socialism is the stepping stone towards those.  Maybe I just got that way as I got older, but from a polarization perspective I can't find any middle ground on that subject.

Where was I going with all this?  Did i just rant? 

 

[MDC 5,890]

There are like 20 Trumpers here for every left leaning poster. You’ve got Wiffle and newbs bickering with the same 12 people all day. And maybe 4-5 other vaguely middle / left posters.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,515]

5 minutes ago, MDC said:

There are like 20 Trumpers here for every left leaning poster. You’ve got Wiffle and newbs bickering with the same 12 people all day. And maybe 4-5 other vaguely middle / left posters.

See, this is where I have problems.  What about those of us that aren't necessarily Trumpers?  You think that just because one doesn't support the left-wing agenda that makes them Trumpers?  I don't necessarily like Trump, but in my opinion - and a LOT of other people's opinion - he was the lesser of two evils.

Look at what the left has become nowadays - the party of open borders and Socialism (see my previous post on that).  No way I'm voting for that.

[Bier Meister 1,513]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I agree that it seems like everyone has become so polarized now, and I blame the media mostly.  It's hard when everyone wants to just score a win instead of actually listening.to the other side and it's hard when the media advocates for one side and one side only.  This is why Foxnews came into existence - there was one side that was not getting ANY representation in the media. 

It goes without saying that I include myself when I talk about polarization.  For example, It's hard for me to have a discussion with anyone who wants to change the nature of our democracy to Socialism (AOC, Bernie, Warren, etc...) or move towards completely Socialist programs.  I always think of Stalin, Mao, Khmer Roughe, North Korea when it comes up and the horrors of those types of systems.  Socialism is the stepping stone towards those.

Let's be accountable for ourselves and our behavior.  We control what we type here, no?

 

As for government/economy, I do not want to derail the thread and we can find old ones discussing how to implement policy.

me: it is a continuum, not black and white.  I have discussed my views on this and would like to see certain facets funded by our taxes. I would not want a pure socialistic society. It comes down to what we see as the role of government (what it's obligations are).

 

 

[drobeski 3,061]

Meh, there were plenty of lefties here, in fact they were the majority...when they couldn't handle the heat/truth they left the kitchen.

Where as the other place they not only cant handle the heat...they ban it. 

 

[jerryskids 5,199]

2 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

See, this is where I have problems.  What about those of us that aren't necessarily Trumpers?  You think that just because one doesn't support the left-wing agenda that makes them Trumpers?  I don't necessarily like Trump, but in my opinion - and a LOT of other people's opinion - he was the lesser of two evils.

Look at what the left has become nowadays - the party of open borders and Socialism (see my previous post on that).  No way I'm voting for that.

 

2 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

Let's be accountable for ourselves and our behavior.  We control what we type here, no?

 

As for government/economy, I do not want to derail the thread and we can find old ones discussing how to implement policy.

me: it is a continuum, not black and white.  I have discussed my views on this and would like to see certain facets funded by our taxes. I would not want a pure socialistic society. It comes down to what we see as the role of government (what it's obligations are).

 

 

There are two problems with liberals.  One, they struggle empathizing with opposing viewpoints; they just can't understand why somebody would disagree.  This has been proven in multiple scientific studies posted here.  Two and on a related note, they tend to view everything in black and white.  If you disagreed with any Obama policy, you were a racist.  If you don't hate everything about Trump, you are a Trumper. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

You know how labor laws are mandated to be posted in every workplace in a conspicuous area for all to see to help people understand their workers rights?

What if Trump took the example of Oberlin college and made up a new placard that must be displayed by law in every workplace near a college or university detailing how to protect your rights as a citizen from organized protests that cause damage or other harm and how to sue the colleges that help promote them. 

[sderk 1,040]

32 minutes ago, riversco said:

You know how labor laws are mandated to be posted in every workplace in a conspicuous area for all to see to help people understand their workers rights?

What if Trump took the example of Oberlin college and made up a new placard that must be displayed by law in every workplace near a college or university detailing how to protect your rights as a citizen from organized protests that cause damage or other harm and how to sue the colleges that help promote them. 

Good idea but they would probably protest the placards.