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The man killed in a shootout with Washington state police Saturday while tossing lit objects at vehicles and buildings outside an immigrant detention center self-identified as an anti-fascist, or "antifa," who was motivated by the recent immigration raids and deportations launched by the federal government.

 

Where are the calls from leftists to reprise the gun control discussion? What about the dear leader, David Hogg, surely he is starving for some attention....

Curious how quiet leftists are about this  <_<

 

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7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

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Where are the calls from leftists to reprise the gun control discussion? What about the dear leader, David Hogg, surely he is starving for some attention....

Curious how quiet leftists are about this  <_<

 

Doesn't Chicago have pretty stringent gun control? Sure seems to be working there? :rolleyes:

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Glad nobody was killed but the guy tossing incendiary devices.

Agree with the OP too, we should definitely talk gun control. I propose limits on types of firearms and tougher laws to prevent straw purchases and guns vanishing into the black market.

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How about if you are in Antifa, you are automatically ineligible to own or purchase a firearm.

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

Glad nobody was killed but the guy tossing incendiary devices.

Agree with the OP too, we should definitely talk gun control. I propose limits on types of firearms and tougher laws to prevent straw purchases and guns vanishing into the black market.

How about mandatory life sentence for those using a gun in commission of a crime? If a life is lost, mandatory death penalty?

Cut out the recidivism and gun violence would plummet.

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2 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

How about if you are in Antifa, you are automatically ineligible to own or purchase a firearm.

You should not be allowed to protest in masks; PERIOD.

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22 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

You should not be allowed to protest in masks; PERIOD.

Agreed 

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1 hour ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

How about mandatory life sentence for those using a gun in commission of a crime? If a life is lost, mandatory death penalty?

What if I use a gun protecting my family and home? I live in NY, so I'd probably be charged with a crime if I shot some shiitbag breaking into my house.

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Just now, lickin_starfish said:

What if I use a gun protecting my family and home? I live in NY, so I'd probably be charged with a crime if I shot some shiitbag breaking into my house.

Move out of that state. 

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"The vehicles outside the detention facility are used to forcibly remove people from their homes and deport them, often to situations where they will face severe danger or death. Those vehicles being destroyed is only a start of what is needed," the Puget Sound Anarchists said in a post, calling Van Spronsen "a long-time anarchist, anti-fascist and a kind, loving person."


:lol:

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2 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

How about mandatory life sentence for those using a gun in commission of a crime? If a life is lost, mandatory death penalty?

Cut out the recidivism and gun violence would plummet.

Sounds good to me.

But it has to be actually used in the crime. None of this he beat his wife, there happened to be a gun in the drawer nearby kind of crap. 

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5 hours ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

How about mandatory life sentence for those using a gun in commission of a crime? If a life is lost, mandatory death penalty?

Cut out the recidivism and gun violence would plummet.

:thumbsup:

Good idea but it doesn't stand a chance. It's too logical and will disproportionately affect minorities. This is America, we can't can't solve problems if the solutions hurt people's feelings. 

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Still waiting for 24x7 coverage of this situation from the perspective of gun control, where is CNN on this? Why are the media outlets not all over this?   HMmmmmm🤔

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15 hours ago, SUXBNME said:

"The vehicles outside the detention facility are used to forcibly remove people from their homes and deport them, often to situations where they will face severe danger or death. Those vehicles being destroyed is only a start of what is needed," the Puget Sound Anarchists said in a post, calling Van Spronsen "a long-time anarchist, anti-fascist and a kind, loving person."


:lol:

I once saw a renegade soccer ball come bounding away from some kids and Jeffrey Dahmer kicked it back to them. He even invited some of them over for dinner. What kind of monster is that?

People only remember the bad and forget the good.

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18 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Thoughts on this breakdown?

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I've made pretty much all of those points here at one time or another. :thumbsup:

Problem is, facts like those don'tmatter to the gun control crowd. In their minds, the gun is the problem and limiting/eliminating access to them is the best/easiest solution to a nonexistent problem. 

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5 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Ban commercial firearm sales.

Turn yours in yet?

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5 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Turn yours in yet?

I can't propose a solution to gun violence until I turn in guns? I don't even posses guns, I store them at my parents house 100 miles away.  

By the way, what's your solution?

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41 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

I can't propose a solution to gun violence until I turn in guns? I don't even posses guns, I store them at my parents house 100 miles away.  

By the way, what's your solution?

You seem to be a proponent of doing away with private gun ownership, albeit eventually. I'm just curious why you wouldn't want to set an example by getting rid of yours. 

There is no solution to violence. However, my suggestion to combat violence is to institute nationwide constitutional carry. We have the right to keep and bear arms. I can't bring my gun to bear when needed if I can't keep it with me. 

More and more gun control has proved to be ineffective in preventing gun violence. Therefore, I suggest we try the opposite approach and allow people to legally defend themselves. Like we used to before we had gun free zones and subsequent mass shootings. 

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52 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

You seem to be a proponent of doing away with private gun ownership, albeit eventually. I'm just curious why you wouldn't want to set an example by getting rid of yours. 

There is no solution to violence. However, my suggestion to combat violence is to institute nationwide constitutional carry. We have the right to keep and bear arms. I can't bring my gun to bear when needed if I can't keep it with me. 

More and more gun control has proved to be ineffective in preventing gun violence. Therefore, I suggest we try the opposite approach and allow people to legally defend themselves. Like we used to before we had gun free zones and subsequent mass shootings. 

At least you've heard my argument.  Banning commercial firearm sales would eventually eliminate most private ownership.  Albeit a few decades or so.

"No solution to violence"... agreed. All first world countries have gun violence, but not close to rates in the U.S. or mass shooting occurances. 

"Gun control is ineffective"... agreed.  Gun control currently consists of a felony check and a 3-day waiting period, with some big cities (Chicago/NY) banning public possession.  Limited gun control is ineffective.

"Opposite approach.... "  Assume that means more gun ownership and more legal public possession.?.  Not exactly the opposite. It would save lives during mass shootings, but little to overall gun violence rates.

"Gun free zones"... They prevent occasional shootings (pissed off drunk at bar/sports game/casino/etc.), but sorta attract mass shooters.  I like the idea of football games being free - lots of armed cops.  Not sure about college campus's and other places.  Agreed that's debatable.

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1 hour ago, GobbleDog said:

I can't propose a solution to gun violence until I turn in guns? I don't even posses guns, I store them at my parents house 100 miles away.  

By the way, what's your solution?

Punish criminals not law abiding citizens. You advocate for the latter as your solution. Never happen. You might want to look at other solutions. You're pissing in the wind

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Just now, shorepatrol said:

Punish criminals not law abiding citizens. You advocate for the latter as your solution. Never happen. You might want to look at other solutions. You're pissing in the wind

There is no other solution.  Background checks, limited magazine size, gun free/non-gun free, psychologists in schools, more cops everywhere, you name it.  All worthless. 

Change Constitution and ban all guns - demand citizens turn them in?  Impossible and impractical.

What else is there? Ban commercial firearm sales.  Allow public purchases... promote it. Gun values will steadily increase as collectors and those who can afford them buy up the lot. Government buy-backs and time itself takes care of the rest.  When the value of a crappy 9mm is $10k in a decade or so.... the poorest areas of America will be mostly gun free - who happen to commit the vast majority of gun crime anyway.  Hell, I'll line up to sell my guns when the price is right.  That's the point.  Don't even have to change the Constitution. Keep your right to bear arms. Buy as many as you want... I hope you do.

I know it's politically impossible in today's America and too radical an idea for most people.  But it would work.  Beyond that, pass whatever gun laws ya want. All pointless. Sit back and enjoy the carnage America.  Nothing will change in our lifetimes, nor our kids. 

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39 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

There is no other solution. 

This is why we can't have nice things. Peace out

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If we are going to talk about make believe, I can think of many things more fun and exciting than gun control. 

- The government will never succeed in disarming America. 

- If anyone including the government tried to force their way into my home to take guns, cookware, or linens I will use force. They may very well kill me, but there will be casualties on their end and I am not the only American that feels the same way. I am curious as to what that beaner wannabe version of Talcum X is going to tell the families of government workers assigned to disarm America when they come home in a body bag. 

- America is violent because it is diverse. If you want peaceful citizens quit allowing so many in that do not look like the majority. 

- Take a look at Scandinavian gun stats and their demographics. You will see we have an awful lot in common with one demographic exception. 

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10 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

I can't propose a solution to gun violence until I turn in guns? I don't even posses guns, I store them at my parents house 100 miles away.  

By the way, what's your solution?

Execute anyone who uses a gun to commit a crime.   It would be a start. Start by punishing  those who are the problem. 

Would you be willing to get your peanus cut off to help reduce the number of rapes in the U.S? 

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11 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

I can't propose a solution to gun violence until I turn in guns? I don't even posses guns, I store them at my parents house 100 miles away.  

By the way, what's your solution?

Gun violence? The gun does not cause the violence the person does. Getting rid of guns just moves the violence To another vehicle. Personally I would rather get shot rather than have acid thrown in my face.

 

Despite Britain having what the BBC boasts are “some of the toughest gun laws in the world”, with law-abiding citizens barred from carrying firearms or any other articles for self-defence in England, Scotland, and Wales — even pepper spray is prohibited — gun crime surged 11 per cent in the last year, with experts warning illegal weapons are “easy” to buy from a black market.  
https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/08/12/gun-free-manchester-caribbean-carnival/

The United Kingdom’s surge of the previously unheard of phenomenon of acid attacks has seen an average of 15 a week over the past three years, with the vast majority taking place in the crime-struck capital, London. There were 2,602 acid attacks in Britain between January 2015 and May 2018, the equivalent of 15 a week, according to government figures accessed by The Mirror newspaper.

https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/08/13/britain-suffers-15-acid-attacks-a-week-with-three-quarters-taking-place-in-london/

Venezuelans regret gun ban, 'a declaration of war against an unarmed population'

CUCUTA, Venezuela/Colombia border As Venezuela continues to crumble under the socialist dictatorship of President Nicolas Maduro, some are expressing words of warning and resentment against a six-year-old gun control bill that stripped citizens of their weapons.

Guns would have served as a vital pillar to remaining a free people, or at least able to put up a fight, Javier Vanegas, 28, a Venezuelan teacher of English now exiled in Ecuador, told Fox News. The government security forces, at the beginning of this debacle, knew they had no real opposition to their force. Once things were this bad, it was a clear declaration of war against an unarmed population.

Under the direction of then-President Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan National Assembly in 2012 enacted the Control of Arms, Munitions and Disarmament Law, with the explicit aim to disarm all citizens. The law took effect in 2013, with only minimal pushback from some pro-democracy opposition figures, banned the legal commercial sale of guns and munitions to all - except government entities.

https://www.foxnews....ended-ourselves

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:
In 2017 there were 39,773 deaths by firearm, of which 23,854 were by suicide and 14,542 were homicides.

I would be interested to see the homicide stats broken down by race. I already know the answer, but like to see it anyways. 

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13 hours ago, 5-Points said:

I've made pretty much all of those points here at one time or another. :thumbsup:

Problem is, facts like those don'tmatter to the gun control crowd. In their minds, the gun is the problem and limiting/eliminating access to them is the best/easiest solution to a nonexistent problem. 

Remember when I made a lot of those points but that dr pen pu55y kept screaming suicides

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I wonder what % of victims die in these acid attacks, as compared to shootings?

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1 hour ago, Baker Boy said:
In 2017 there were 39,773 deaths by firearm, of which 23,854 were by suicide and 14,542 were homicides.

I wonder what the suicide rate would be if those people didn't have access to a gun.  I have a feeling it would be quite a bit lower.

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11 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

There is no other solution.  Background checks, limited magazine size, gun free/non-gun free, psychologists in schools, more cops everywhere, you name it.  All worthless. 

Change Constitution and ban all guns - demand citizens turn them in?  Impossible and impractical.

What else is there? Ban commercial firearm sales.  Allow public purchases... promote it. Gun values will steadily increase as collectors and those who can afford them buy up the lot. Government buy-backs and time itself takes care of the rest.  When the value of a crappy 9mm is $10k in a decade or so.... the poorest areas of America will be mostly gun free - who happen to commit the vast majority of gun crime anyway.  Hell, I'll line up to sell my guns when the price is right.  That's the point.  Don't even have to change the Constitution. Keep your right to bear arms. Buy as many as you want... I hope you do.

I know it's politically impossible in today's America and too radical an idea for most people.  But it would work.  Beyond that, pass whatever gun laws ya want. All pointless. Sit back and enjoy the carnage America.  Nothing will change in our lifetimes, nor our kids. 

This strangely makes some sense.  It will never happen but it's interesting to think about.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I wonder what the suicide rate would be if those people didn't have access to a gun.  I have a feeling it would be quite a bit lower.

This is a discussion no one here is going to have with you.  As previously noted, it was Pen's go to argument for gun control and it's a stupid one.  If someone wants to kill them self I have no desire to stop them.  It's their RIGHT. 

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Just now, Strike said:

This is a discussion no one here is going to have with you.  As previously noted, it was Pen's go to argument for gun control and it's a stupid one.  If someone wants to kill them self I have no desire to stop them.  It's their RIGHT. 

I'm not advocating banning guns here but I do know that there would be fewer deaths by suicide if those people did not have access to a gun.  I believe there are stats that support this.

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11 minutes ago, MDC said:

I wonder what % of victims die in these acid attacks, as compared to shootings?

Stephen Paddock only killed 58 people and wounded 413 when he opened fire form a Las Vegas hotel room window.

Dear Gawd, just think of how many he would have killed/hurt if he had thrown acid - the #'s could have been in the thousands. :shocking:

 

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm not advocating banning guns here but I do know that there would be fewer deaths by suicide if those people did not have access to a gun.  I believe there are stats that support this.

I don't doubt that you are correct.  Again, so what?  If someone wants to kill them self that's their RIGHT.  If we lock them up in a rubber room in a straight jacket they aren't killing them self.  But I wouldn't go that route either.  Are you opposed to people having RIGHTS?

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11 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

Stephen Paddock only killed 58 people and wounded 413 when he opened fire form a Las Vegas hotel room window.

Dear Gawd, just think of how many he would have killed/hurt if he had thrown acid - the #'s could have been in the thousands. :shocking:

 

I think of how many more people would have died if Paddock owned a car or a knife. We really dodged a bullet there.

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12 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't doubt that you are correct.  Again, so what?  If someone wants to kill them self that's their RIGHT.  If we lock them up in a rubber room in a straight jacket they aren't killing them self.  But I wouldn't go that route either.  Are you opposed to people having RIGHTS?

I believe there are a lot of people who tried to commit suicide, failed and then realized they made a mistake.  I think it's important for those people to have a second chance and when they use a gun they rarely ever have that second chance.  That's my point.

Have you been affected by suicide?

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