Xenophobia

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

Just now, shorepatrol said:

You keep leaning on diversity with no definition of good or bad diversity. You personally attack everyone as a racist that tries to define it. 

 

I think it’s easy to say for those of us who won the birth lottery. We were extremely lucky to be born here and take it for granted. 

[sderk 1,040]

58 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

That is fine if you believe that, but this is the opposite of what trump stated which started this debate.

 

Trump told 3 people who were born in this country and a 4th who went through the proper channels to go back to their own country.

 

What you are stating, and what trump is stating is at odds.

He should have told them to go away. The only thing I disagree with him on is that he should have just told them to go away. They do not stand for our constitution. Go away and don't come back until they become worthy of being here. There are bad people who are citizens of this country. And he correctly picked on 4 of them.

Trump 2020!! 

[Casual Observer 597]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I’m not sure how you do that. When coming into the country they should be vetted. If born here the. That would be violating their rights. 

I’m curious if anyone here ever puts themselves in other people’s shoes? Imagine being of different color, possible a Muslim, and trying to immigrate into America?  Could you imagine trying to put up with people like the members in this thread?  

If you have any Irish in your family lines that immigrated here in the 19th century, I suspect they had it worse than anything encountered today and those were "white people".

[shorepatrol 1,737]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I’m not sure how you do that. When coming into the country they should be vetted. If born here the. That would be violating their rights. 

I’m curious if anyone here ever puts themselves in other people’s shoes? Imagine being of different color, possible a Muslim, and trying to immigrate into America?  Could you imagine trying to put up with people like the members in this thread?  

You are so virtuous and noble. If you want to be here you assimilate and embrace american culture. I'm not concerned in the least in their feelings 

[Fireballer 2,381]

15 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

And you sure are a bigot. It’s ok to admit it. 

So, how exactly does Islam work well with Western culture?  Are Islamic countries falling over each other to be Westernized?  So who exactly are the bigots?

Quran (5:51): "Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them."

 

[cbfalcon 824]

1 minute ago, shorepatrol said:

You keep leaning on diversity with no definition of good or bad diversity. You personally attack everyone as a racist that tries to define it. 

 

With the exception of Tubby, I’ve never personally attacked anyone here as racist. I don’t know any of you well enough. 

Although one of you got mad about even that the other day,  and claimed that I’m labeling everyone a racist because I won’t call out individuals...or something. I couldn’t follow the logic. It was a cant win for losing type thing. 

[shorepatrol 1,737]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think it’s easy to say for those of us who won the birth lottery. We were extremely lucky to be born here and take it for granted. 

So you are dismissing the massive amount of immigrants that have assimilated and contributed to America that didn't win the birth lottery and we are happy to have? Of course you are. 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

12 hours ago, RLLD said:

It's funny, when you are on the streets in the middle east the people are typically rather engaging and kind, they hold no specific animus toward anyone.

It is the select, who are the loudest, and who are intent to manipulate people for power.  Not unlike the Democratic party and their media allies today.

Your average person in the middle east is street smart to the extreme, craft and clever.....but easily manipulated by those they would look to for religious guidance.  So when you have people who blow themselves up, or harm others for political gain, what you have are stupid people who were manipulated into pawns by a fervent and small section of people.....not unlike the "odd squad" we see in the Democratic party.

The only place i've been in the middle east is Palestine, the West Bank specifically. Talked to a few folks. They pretty universally to me had no love for Hammas and seemed to mainly be victims of their own leaders. Was pretty sad the hopelessness over there. They don't like the Israelis obviously, and its pretty hard to blame them.

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

1 hour ago, Casual Observer said:

If you have any Irish in your family lines that immigrated here in the 19th century, I suspect they had it worse than anything encountered today and those were "white people".

I do have some Irish lineage. Mostly German though. 

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

1 hour ago, shorepatrol said:

So you are dismissing the massive amount of immigrants that have assimilated and contributed to America that didn't win the birth lottery and we are happy to have? Of course you are. 

How do you come up with that?  You don’t have to make up stuff you prove some kind of point or make yourself feel better. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,631]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think it’s easy to say for those of us who won the birth lottery. We were extremely lucky to be born here and take it for granted. 

Some contributed to its safety and security and don't feel as lucky as you.  Neither have their families.

[shorepatrol 1,737]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

And you sure are a bigot. It’s ok to admit it. 

Clown virtue signaling. Again. Pathetic

 

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

Just now, shorepatrol said:

Clown virtue signaling. Again. Pathetic

 

Nope and nope. 

[shorepatrol 1,737]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Nope and nope. 

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

Just now, shorepatrol said:

Explain how I was incorrect. I have not called anyone a racist and I doubt I ever will. It gets thrown around too often. There are a lot of people who qualify as bigots though. If you have a legit defense for that I’d like to hear it and if I am proven wrong then I will apologize. I try not to throw around labels willy-nilly like that. 

[shorepatrol 1,737]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Explain how I was incorrect. I have not called anyone a racist and I doubt I ever will. It gets thrown around too often. There are a lot of people who qualify as bigots though. If you have a legit defense for that I’d like to hear it and if I am proven wrong then I will apologize. I try not to throw around labels willy-nilly like that. 

This is America, I don't prove I'm not, you prove I am. You know that's the way it works here I hope.  You called me a bigot. You're a clown and will dance around this 

[jerryskids 5,194]

5 hours ago, FeelingMN said:

Same goes for climate change.  https://blogs.agu.org/sciencecommunication/2018/08/02/american-voter-attitudes-on-climate-change-are-complex/  I think there's more disagreement in how we should address it, which is fair.  But the majority seem to think it's not BS.  That's a far right view.

Agree with college.  But the fact is it costs too much and as such makes obtaining an education out of reach for a lot of people.  It's inconsistent with American values that promote an enlightened populace.  I think America is much, much greater if its citizens can debate and think through the issues.  Again, how we address that is up for discussion but I think we can agree that going to college shouldn't cost what it does.  And I say that as a father of two, one of whom has already said he doesn't want to go to college.....which mortifies my wife.  She tries to redirect him....me?  I tell him as long as he's doing what he wants and make a living....is a good person, treats others fairly....he can do whatever he wants.  Funny that we even have that discussion with 8 year olds, but the push to go to college is so strong that young kids pick up on it.  Kinda sad really.

I accept that the earth is (very) slowly getting warmer.  My problem is that there are viable alternative energies like nuclear which the climate alarmists are not embracing.  Why?  Because they are an anti-human cult which is more interested in browbeating people for living and in extorting billions of dollars through fear and carbon credits.

College is more expensive than it used to be (and than it should be), but people make poor choices.  All 3 of my kids are going/went to ASU.  In-state tuition is $10.7K, but they all got scholarships to cover the bulk of it.  If not it would have been more than manageable for me to pay.  For lower income families, there is plenty of financial aid.  As an example in contrast, my daughter's friend is going to Pitt.  He has family there and thinks it will be cool (it will be come January, he has no idea!).  Out of state tuition is just under $30K, or about 3X what he would pay to stay here (plus save on travel, parkas, etc.).  At least he will study something with a chance of recouping the cost (pre-med, with a goal of becoming something like a nurse-anesthetist).  The kids who both go out of state and major in areas which will practically never turn into a sustainable career... eesh. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,631]

36 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

This is America, I don't prove I'm not, you prove I am. You know that's the way it works here I hope.  You called me a bigot. You're a clown and will dance around this 

Boom. America, Fock yeah! 

[FeelingMN 273]

19 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I accept that the earth is (very) slowly getting warmer.  My problem is that there are viable alternative energies like nuclear which the climate alarmists are not embracing.  Why?  Because they are an anti-human cult which is more interested in browbeating people for living and in extorting billions of dollars through fear and carbon credits.

College is more expensive than it used to be (and than it should be), but people make poor choices.  All 3 of my kids are going/went to ASU.  In-state tuition is $10.7K, but they all got scholarships to cover the bulk of it.  If not it would have been more than manageable for me to pay.  For lower income families, there is plenty of financial aid.  As an example in contrast, my daughter's friend is going to Pitt.  He has family there and thinks it will be cool (it will be come January, he has no idea!).  Out of state tuition is just under $30K, or about 3X what he would pay to stay here (plus save on travel, parkas, etc.).  At least he will study something with a chance of recouping the cost (pre-med, with a goal of becoming something like a nurse-anesthetist).  The kids who both go out of state and major in areas which will practically never turn into a sustainable career... eesh. 

I think nuclear energy would be a great energy solution...if it didn't cost so much.  https://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear-power/cost-nuclear-power  So I think it has more to do with financing and public support than anything else.

And again, I agree with you about college.  Not everyone has to go to college.  You can still earn a nice living without doing so.  The only reason it was brought up in this thread...I think....is that it was mentioned as a far left issue.....well, Bernie is a Socialist pushing a far left agenda.....which he is, but he is addressing college debt which is a straight up and down, middle of the political spectrum issue.  His solution is far left, but the issue is not.  But yeah, I wish kids took all of it a bit more seriously.  Max your course load....get in get out and start making money.  Too many just wanna party and float by.

[RLLD 3,455]

7 hours ago, shorepatrol said:

This is America, I don't prove I'm not, you prove I am. You know that's the way it works here I hope.  You called me a bigot. You're a clown and will dance around this 

  

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

8 hours ago, shorepatrol said:

This is America, I don't prove I'm not, you prove I am. You know that's the way it works here I hope.  You called me a bigot. You're a clown and will dance around this 

How about this, I shouldn't call you a bigot because I don't personally know you.  I think that's fair.  What you have been saying on here is very bigoted though.  I'm not sure you can deny that.  It's an accurate statement made based on what you've said.  In fact, many of the posts made by others on here have been bigoted.

[RLLD 3,455]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

How about this, I shouldn't call you a bigot because I don't personally know you.  I think that's fair.  What you have been saying on here is very bigoted though.  I'm not sure you can deny that.  It's an accurate statement made based on what you've said.  In fact, many of the posts made by others on here have been bigoted.

I think first and foremost you cannot read too hard into what people post here, most of these folks are purposely saying these things because they are bigoted and considered funny.....here.

Much of the humor has always been a little macabre, with some trying to outdo each other to see who can be worst.

Given that this is the culture of the arena we are working in, I expect to find some bigotry and other stuff applied mostly in an effort to be vulgar in the most humorous way possible. 

There are exceptions.

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

Just now, RLLD said:

I think first and foremost you cannot read too hard into what people post here, most of these folks are purposely saying these things because they are bigoted and considered funny.....here.

Much of the humor has always been a little macabre, with some trying to outdo each other to see who can be worst.

Given that this is the culture of the arena we are working in, I expect to find some bigotry and other stuff applied mostly in an effort to be vulgar in the most humorous way possible. 

There are exceptions.

Fair enough.  Thanks for a reasonable explanation.

[bostonlager 2,463]

Bigot is like the liberal big boy word of the last few years and is overused. While they use it as an attempt to insult others, what they fail to realize that many like myself take it as a compliment be cause I am a proud bigot. 

- I am anti all homosexual agendas

- I am anti all muslim agendas

- I am anti all programs that discriminate against whites, especially straight, white males.

- I am anti immigration including white immigration from Europe

What they also fail to realize is the actual definition of the word bigot. If you are intolerant of my views above, then by definition you are too a bigot. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

9 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I accept that the earth is (very) slowly getting warmer.  My problem is that there are viable alternative energies like nuclear which the climate alarmists are not embracing.  Why?  Because they are an anti-human cult which is more interested in browbeating people for living and in extorting billions of dollars through fear and carbon credits.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that people are concerned about Chernobyl and Fukushima disasters when it comes to nuclear energy.  

[MDC 5,890]

1 hour ago, bostonlager said:

Bigot is like the liberal big boy word of the last few years and is overused. While they use it as an attempt to insult others, what they fail to realize that many like myself take it as a compliment be cause I am a proud bigot. 

- I am anti all homosexual agendas

- I am anti all muslim agendas

- I am anti all programs that discriminate against whites, especially straight, white males.

- I am anti immigration including white immigration from Europe

What they also fail to realize is the actual definition of the word bigot. If you are intolerant of my views above, then by definition you are too a bigot. 

I give you credit. At least you own it.

[TBayXXXVII 2,116]

15 hours ago, Voltaire said:

The right knows how to cordon off their extremists: express racist views and you're out. The left has no extremist filter. Support Marxism? Great. Hate White people? Welcome! Antifa? Love you so much!

Exactly

[jerryskids 5,194]

47 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

I am going to go out on a limb and say that people are concerned about Chernobyl and Fukushima disasters when it comes to nuclear energy.  

Nuclear reactor technology has come a long way since those were built.  The odds of a disaster with current generations are extremely low.  But I suppose much like you are way more likely to die in a car than in a plane, if there is a plane crash it is major news while thousands die in cars, ho hum.

That being said I disagree with your reasoning and maintain that the cult of global climate change doesn't really want a solution other than brow-beating humankind. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Nuclear reactor technology has come a long way since those were built.  The odds of a disaster with current generations are extremely low.  But I suppose much like you are way more likely to die in a car than in a plane, if there is a plane crash it is major news while thousands die in cars, ho hum.

That being said I disagree with your reasoning and maintain that the cult of global climate change doesn't really want a solution other than brow-beating humankind. 

I didn't say that the fear was rational.  I was saying that is the reason.  However, we will just build one near you and that should be great.  NOT IN MY BACKYARD! 

[jerryskids 5,194]

12 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

I didn't say that the fear was rational.  I was saying that is the reason.  However, we will just build one near you and that should be great.  NOT IN MY BACKYARD! 

There is one just west of Phoenix; Palo Verde.  Old technology but humming along.  In fact they keep building houses closer and closer to it (maybe past it at this point).  Nobody seems terribly frightened. 

[cbfalcon 824]

2 hours ago, bostonlager said:

Bigot is like the liberal big boy word of the last few years and is overused. While they use it as an attempt to insult others, what they fail to realize that many like myself take it as a compliment be cause I am a proud bigot. 

- I am anti all homosexual agendas

- I am anti all muslim agendas

- I am anti all programs that discriminate against whites, especially straight, white males.

- I am anti immigration including white immigration from Europe

What they also fail to realize is the actual definition of the word bigot. If you are intolerant of my views above, then by definition you are too a bigot. 

 

1 hour ago, MDC said:

I give you credit. At least you own it.

 

Same here. So many others here seemingly feel exactly the way you do, but then they get really angry when the term is used.

[MDC 5,890]

29 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

 

 

Same here. So many others here seemingly feel exactly the way you do, but then they get really angry when the term is used.

The tweet thing seems to have split Trumpers in 3rds:

1) The proud bigots who openly like what Trump said. Bostonlager

2) The Trumpers who make tortures arguments about why it wasn’t bigoted. Reality and many others

3) The Trump supporters who back the POTUS but shake their head at his comments. Voltaire

I understand 1 & 3. 2 is just embarrassing.

[TBayXXXVII 2,116]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

The tweet thing seems to have split Trumpers in 3rds:

1) The proud bigots who openly like what Trump said. Bostonlager

2) The Trumpers who make tortures arguments about why it wasn’t bigoted. Reality and many others

3) The Trump supporters who back the POTUS but shake their head at his comments. Voltaire

I understand 1 & 3. 2 is just embarrassing.

There's a 4th... and the significant majority.  #2+#3.  We back him up because we're giving the MSM and the Left a taste of their own medicine by pointing out their hypocrisy.

[MDC 5,890]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

There's a 4th... and the significant majority.  #2+#3.  We back him up because we're giving the MSM and the Left a taste of their own medicine by pointing out their hypocrisy.

I tend to lump that in with 2. But if you want to make 4) ironic hypocrisy I support it. 

RLLD is the chief example. 

[RLLD 3,455]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

I tend to lump that in with 2. But if you want to make 4) ironic hypocrisy I support it. 

RLLD is the chief example. 

Validation!!!!!

[RLLD 3,455]

[iam90sbaby 2,125]

16 minutes ago, MDC said:

The tweet thing seems to have split Trumpers in 3rds:

1) The proud bigots who openly like what Trump said. Bostonlager

2) The Trumpers who make tortures arguments about why it wasn’t bigoted. Reality and many others

3) The Trump supporters who back the POTUS but shake their head at his comments. Voltaire

I understand 1 & 3. 2 is just embarrassing.

Add me to #1. Only Muslims though, no one else. I’m cool with Jose & Pedro coming here as long as he does it legally and learns English. 

[bostonlager 2,463]

1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said:

Add me to #1. Only Muslims though, no one else. I’m cool with Jose & Pedro coming here as long as he does it legally and learns English. 

If Jose is focking Pedro in theass though, we don't want mexican AIDS here. 

[iam90sbaby 2,125]

4 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

If Jose is focking Pedro in theass though, we don't want mexican AIDS here. 

No retards either, I think they should have to have at least a bachelors degree. Good high paying manual labor jobs are for Americans. 

[MDC 5,890]

4 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

If Jose is focking Pedro in theass though, we don't want mexican AIDS here. 

What was going on at RP’s poker night???