JagFan 97 Posted August 16, 2019 Is Fruit Loops the consensus #1 if he reports prior to your draft? Reportedly in the best shape of his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 16, 2019 Interesting. I have first pick and would probably lean him over Barkley. While his behavior is questionable, I would hope he can refrain from getting suspended for the first year of his new deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 568 Posted August 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, JagFan said: Is Fruit Loops the consensus #1 if he reports prior to your draft? Reportedly in the best shape of his career. Nope Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 16, 2019 Kamara easy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, tanatastic said: Kamara easy Even non ppr? Do you expect Murray to not have much of a role? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 568 Posted August 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, tanatastic said: Kamara easy I see your Kamara and raise you a Saquon... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted August 16, 2019 Fruit Loops is Zeke or what? Link me to this best shape article? Dude his eating amazing Mexican food and drinking margaritas in Cabo while maybe working out for an hour. He also did this two years ago and didn’t look good coming back. Think I’d still have to go Barkley. Elliott can be #2 or #3 in standard and probably #3 or #4 in PPR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: Even non ppr? Do you expect Murray to not have much of a role? Murray will def have a role, but Kamara situation is nothing different than his last two dominant seasons sharing work. Murray isn’t even as good as Ingram. Kamara has proven to be a beast in a good offense on a good team while sharing work and staying fresh. It’s scary to think we may be seeing Kamaras floor these last seasons. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, jrokh said: I see your Kamara and raise you a Saquon... Meh, easy candidate to regress and disappoint. He captured lightning in a bottle in a less than great situation last season. This year it’s even worse, no Obj to open up defenses, teams have him on film, possible rookie taking over. I just see him not delivering top overall value. I see a situation similar to DJ last year. Hot talent, meh team but still drafted top of the 1st. Then the team drags him down and DJ underdelivers despite his talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 568 Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, tanatastic said: Meh, easy candidate to regress and disappoint. He captured lightning in a bottle in a less than great situation last season. This year it’s even worse, no Obj to open up defenses, teams have him on film, possible rookie taking over. I just see him not delivering top overall value. I see a situation similar to DJ last year. Hot talent, meh team but still drafted top of the 1st. Then the team drags him down and DJ underdelivers despite his talent. Comparing Barkley to DJ was your first mistake. Saquon is bigger, faster, stronger. He is the next link in the RB evolutionary chain. The link before him was ADP. Giants Oline is much better than last year's. Kamara is tasty no doubt, but in a not as good kind of way.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, tanatastic said: Murray will def have a role, but Kamara situation is nothing different than his last two dominant seasons sharing work. Murray isn’t even as good as Ingram. Kamara has proven to be a beast in a good offense on a good team while sharing work and staying fresh. It’s scary to think we may be seeing Kamaras floor these last seasons. He has been so efficient with his touches that he probably needs a decent increase in touches to be better. I also think Murray and Ingram are pretty similar in talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, jrokh said: Comparing Barkley to DJ was your first mistake. Saquon is bigger, faster, stronger. He is the next link in the RB evolutionary chain. The link before him was ADP. Giants Oline is much better than last year's. Kamara is tasty no doubt, but in a not as good kind of way.... I wasn’t comparing the players as much as I was comparing the situation. I tried to illustrated that in the wording. I get that you mean Saquons talent can overcome it easier than DJ. But fwiw, DJ is a couple seasons removed from one of the all time FF seasons, he’s no chump. “I see a situation similar to DJ last year. Hot talent, meh team but still drafted top of the 1st” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: He has been so efficient with his touches that he probably needs a decent increase in touches to be better. I also think Murray and Ingram are pretty similar in talent. I’d need an argument on Murray to buy that and willing to listen. But as I see it, Ingram is way more accomplished as well as being a superb pass catching RB himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brutal Brutus 182 Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, tanatastic said: I’d need an argument on Murray to buy that and willing to listen. But as I see it, Ingram is way more accomplished as well as being a superb pass catching RB himself. I'm not sold Ingram was anything other than a system RB. We've saw Tim Hightower come off the streets and thrive in that role. Murray has also been the most efficient goal line back over the past two years.... Don't ask for the source, unless you want the podcast I listen to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, tanatastic said: I’d need an argument on Murray to buy that and willing to listen. But as I see it, Ingram is way more accomplished as well as being a superb pass catching RB himself. Murray has averaged .4 ypc less for his career, not too drastic. Considering the offense Ingram has played in his whole career, I would say that has made the difference. Ingram also has only avergared .1 ypr more for his career. Murray is an underrated receiver who did have a career high of 41 catches one year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brutal Brutus 182 Posted August 16, 2019 One more positive sign for Murray is how quickly the Saints signed him. RBs seem to be late signers unless a team is seeking them out for a specific reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lamb of God 14 Posted August 16, 2019 I’m taking Barkley in my 10 man redraft full ppr. His workload is without question, catches the ball and is prob Eli’s main target when that pocket breaks down and even if the rook takes over at qb in passsing situations what’s a rook qbs best friend his dump off to the rb or te plus quan can break the big runs at anytime. Kamara while I love his talent also has talent behind him and we know as Payton has said they don’t want to feed him the rock 20-30x a game, cmc at the same time will undoubtedly regress in the catch dept and may now have to deal with cam vulturing some gl tds. I’m sure in the end they’ll all be close and an argument can be made both for and against all three going #1 but give me the guy with the workload and athletic freakizm to make anything happen at anytime. I’m also targeting Murray in all my leagues as my #3rb hopefully but if I get Saquon and 3 good WRs and a top qb I’d prob even be fine with Murray as my flex guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 16, 2019 34 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: Murray has averaged .4 ypc less for his career, not too drastic. Considering the offense Ingram has played in his whole career, I would say that has made the difference. Ingram also has only avergared .1 ypr more for his career. Murray is an underrated receiver who did have a career high of 41 catches one year. Close enough. Ok so assuming Murray is a negligible difference from Ingram, I’d still say I feel good about Kamaras assumed role enough to justify him at no.1. He has legit 20td upside with a ton of rec. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 568 Posted August 16, 2019 51 minutes ago, tanatastic said: I wasn’t comparing the players as much as I was comparing the situation. I tried to illustrated that in the wording. I get that you mean Saquons talent can overcome it easier than DJ. But fwiw, DJ is a couple seasons removed from one of the all time FF seasons, he’s no chump. “I see a situation similar to DJ last year. Hot talent, meh team but still drafted top of the 1st” It's not even the same situation. The cardinals line was among the worst in football. The Giants weren't much better and Barkley was still awesome. Now they have added Zeitler and Remmers. Will Hernandez is a beast, and Solder is healthier. Losing OBJ stings but 300 plus touches with a better Oline and his talent. Why you'd have to be whistling Dixie to pass on him. But hey, it's not my team feel free to put yourself at a disadvantage... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted August 16, 2019 First pick in a draft, I’m taking Kamara easly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, jrokh said: . But hey, it's not my team feel free to put yourself at a disadvantage... Your argument was fine but this line was not necessary. I’m advocating taking Kamara, an absolute stud, not chopped liver. There’s no “disadvantage” and I can find you publications saying Kamara is the no.1 pick as well, it’s not crazy talk. You get a stud either way here with Saquon or Kamara, it’s closer to splitting hairs than an advantage. I’d take Saquon at 2 easy, I just think he’s a candidate for disappointment as so many no.1 picks end up doing over the years in “surefire, can’t miss, stupid if you don’t take him.” situations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 568 Posted August 16, 2019 Fair enough. It's just been a little too mellow around here lately, just warming up for the season no disrespect intended. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, jrokh said: Fair enough. It's just been a little too mellow around here lately, just warming up for the season no disrespect intended. Oh no none towards me, I’m more concerned with what Kamara would say to you when he reads your thoughts. He’s my homie after all, we kick it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 568 Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, tanatastic said: Oh no none towards me, I’m more concerned with what Kamara would say to you when he reads your thoughts. He’s my homie after all, we kick it. No worries. I just got off the phone with AK. He said he would also take Saquon... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JagFan 97 Posted August 16, 2019 This is exactly the discussion I was hoping for. I’m not going to post the blurbs, you can grab them on another site. Word is that Fruit Loops is weighing in low 220’s, his lightest weight thus far in his NFL career. Ready to play for the money. Barkley...you have to be concerned that Eli gets shelved at some point this season. Kamara...SP knows the window is closing on Drew. Coach speak aside, I see this as a last chance for NO to get back to the SB. Kamara will be run into the ground if that’s what it takes to win. CMC...love the guy, but Rivera said this week he’s getting pulled in short yardage and inside the 5. He smells like a sure top 5 bust. its really between Kamara and Fruit Loops for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaChup 154 Posted August 16, 2019 There is no way Fruit Loops weighs in the low 220's. His face weighs that much. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bills04 46 Posted August 20, 2019 "CMC...love the guy, but Rivera said this week he’s getting pulled in short yardage and inside the 5. He smells like a sure top 5 bust." I also saw this - that Rivera WANTS a RB to fill that role, but I don't think there is one on the team (CAP ain't it..). So, for 2019, CMac should still be an elite RB1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Bills04 said: "CMC...love the guy, but Rivera said this week he’s getting pulled in short yardage and inside the 5. He smells like a sure top 5 bust." I also saw this - that Rivera WANTS a RB to fill that role, but I don't think there is one on the team (CAP ain't it..). So, for 2019, CMac should still be an elite RB1. Yeah the depth behind him is pretty sad. Idk why they settle for those backups Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Showboat 144 Posted August 20, 2019 It looks like the consensus is that there is no consensus #1...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taleswapper 0 Posted August 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Showboat said: It looks like the consensus is that there is no consensus #1...... For sure. I would be happy with either of these fellas in discussion! But if I had the numero uno, I would go Barkley. He reminds me of Barry Sanders in that you will have a number of plays that go nowhere, which comes with the territory of being on a bad team, but he also IS the offense - a big play waiting to happen. Don't misread that statement though. I am not saying he is the next Barry! But he has the talent to transcend a surrounding lack of talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 568 Posted August 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, Showboat said: It looks like the consensus is that there is no consensus #1...... On this bored that appears to be the case. In the industry though there is little debate. ESPN, CBS sports, NFL.com, and FFCalculator ADP all have Barkley at #1. It almost feels like some don't want to put Barkley 1 simply because he is already the consensus choice so lean to an against the grain choice instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 21, 2019 Barkley is the majority consensus. Shefter took Mahomes 1st overall in an espn “experts” draft lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 21, 2019 15 hours ago, tanatastic said: Barkley is the majority consensus. Shefter took Mahomes 1st overall in an espn “experts” draft lol. ESPN "experts" couldn't hang in most leagues that include us peons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 568 Posted August 21, 2019 There is a world of difference between that made for TV event and the "experts" at ESPN.com fantasy. Adam Schefter was literally on his phone in between picks trying to break footballs stories. I can't imagine he gave his picks much thought... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JagFan 97 Posted August 21, 2019 I realize that even if Fruit Loops reports, there will still be debate, as there should be. But I think I’d have a more difficult time finding red flags with him vs CMC, Barkley, or Kamara. Right now I like Kamara better than the group w/o Fruit Loops. NO’s window is closing with Drew. This is a good team with a real shot and Kamara is going to be key to their success. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bard 11 Posted August 22, 2019 If I had first pick, it would be Kamara. Great team, great back, let's go. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites