Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted October 1, 2019 https://www.newser.com/story/281120/reducing-red-meat-may-not-be-worth-it.html Quote Reducing Red Meat May Not Be Worth It Researchers say link to cancer, heart disease is weak In a paper published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, an international group of experts says evidence that red meat causes heart disease and cancer is weak at best and most people shouldn't feel the need to cut down. Researcher Bradley Johnston says the panel of 14 researchers analyzed past studies and found "only low-certainty evidence of a very small reduction in cancer or other adverse health consequences." "For most people who enjoy eating meat, the uncertain health benefits of cutting down are unlikely to be worth it," he says. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted October 1, 2019 You don’t say?! A body biologically designed to eat both meat and plants ACTUALLY benefits when it eats meat? Get out of here! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dain11279 917 Posted October 1, 2019 I'll have a steak or a burger every now and again but I'd rather have chicken to begin with Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,444 Posted October 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: https://www.newser.com/story/281120/reducing-red-meat-may-not-be-worth-it.html Thought you liked dark meat you big 'mo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tubby_mcgee 683 Posted October 1, 2019 "Problem" is....for every link or expert saying its not a problem, there is a link or expert saying it is a problem. Which link is a fella to believe? (And this goes for pretty much any story where something is said to be bad for you or good for you.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,248 Posted October 1, 2019 First of all, this is about red meat, right? Second, red meat has lots of saturated fat, which is bad for you. Now I’m sure it’s still better than most of the highly processed junk we generally eat in this country, so there’s that. But no question lean meats and vegetables are better for you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted October 1, 2019 The sickest I've ever been was from eating bad chicken - food poisoning from that makes you want to die.... I've never gotten sick from cow. Beef >>>> chicken Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mookz 1,286 Posted October 1, 2019 29 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: First of all, this is about red meat, right? Second, red meat has lots of saturated fat, which is bad for you. Now I’m sure it’s still better than most of the highly processed junk we generally eat in this country, so there’s that. But no question lean meats and vegetables are better for you Hottie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, edjr said: Thought you liked dark meat you big 'mo Wait. Am I liking black people and a homo? A bit of stretch in a red meat thread. Kinda weak effort. Focus, Ed. Focus!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 3,884 Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, tubby_mcgee said: "Problem" is....for every link or expert saying its not a problem, there is a link or expert saying it is a problem. Which link is a fella to believe? (And this goes for pretty much any story where something is said to be bad for you or good for you.) Our biggest problem isn't what foods we eat/don't eat, it's that as society "progresses", less of our lives are spent doing physical things. You never heard of Indians, who had to go hunting daily to survive, of dieing from heart disease. Maybe the real solution is exercise and getting off the couch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,248 Posted October 1, 2019 42 minutes ago, Strike said: Our biggest problem isn't what foods we eat/don't eat, it's that as society "progresses", less of our lives are spent doing physical things. You never heard of Indians, who had to go hunting daily to survive, of dieing from heart disease. Maybe the real solution is exercise and getting off the couch. Yes, that and overly processed foods Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted October 1, 2019 Take it to the muffdiver thread! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,400 Posted October 1, 2019 2 hours ago, tubby_mcgee said: "Problem" is....for every link or expert saying its not a problem, there is a link or expert saying it is a problem. Which link is a fella to believe? (And this goes for pretty much any story where something is said to be bad for you or good for you.) "everything in moderation" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias Detective 1,161 Posted October 2, 2019 On 10/1/2019 at 9:54 AM, IGotWorms said: First of all, this is about red meat, right? Second, red meat has lots of saturated fat, which is bad for you. Now I’m sure it’s still better than most of the highly processed junk we generally eat in this country, so there’s that. But no question lean meats and vegetables are better for you Venison is red with low saturated fat. Wrong again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,248 Posted October 2, 2019 Just now, Alias Detective said: Venison is red with low saturated fat. Wrong again. Yeah because a lot of people frequently eat venison as opposed to say, steak or hamburger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias Detective 1,161 Posted October 2, 2019 18 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: Yeah because a lot of people frequently eat venison as opposed to say, steak or hamburger Because it’s not promoted. Guess what is tho....soy burgers. Whose the fool? You eat plants, I’ll eat venison. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,504 Posted October 2, 2019 On 10/1/2019 at 11:59 AM, Big Guy said: "everything in moderation" This. Same with diets to lose weight. In the case of red meat there is nothing wrong with it. But no one should suggest go down 2 fat ribeyes a day for health. It is common sense and very easy logic when it comes to knowing what you can eat or how to lose weight, yet people love to turn it into rocket science. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted October 5, 2019 Some Amish have a natural mutation in their ApoC3 protein that allows them to eat a red meat high fat diet and not increase the triglycerides in their blood and not develop cardiovascular disease. Scientists are just working on getting drugs to market in 2019 to target ApoC3. ApoC3 normally greatly slows the breakdown of triglycerides but the mutated version causes triglycerides to get broken down super fast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,069 Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, riversco said: Some Amish have a natural mutation in their ApoC3 protein that allows them to eat a red meat high fat diet and not increase the triglycerides in their blood and not develop cardiovascular disease. Scientists are just working on getting drugs to market in 2019 to target ApoC3. ApoC3 normally greatly slows the breakdown of triglycerides but the mutated version causes triglycerides to get broken down super fast. Carbs cause cardiovascular disease, not fats: Quote Is the pendulum swinging back? In what seems contrary to mainstream dietary advice, a small new study shows that doubling the saturated fat in a person's diet does not drive up the levels of saturated fat in the blood. Rather, the study found that it was the carbohydrates in people's diets that were linked with increased levels of a type of fatty acid linked to heart disease and type-2 diabetes. The results of the study, which followed 16 middle-aged, obese adults for 21 weeks, were published Nov. 21 in the journal PLOS ONE. https://www.livescience.com/48969-heart-disease-diabetes-risks-carbohydrate-saturated-fat.html Quote LOS ANGELES – When it comes to understanding the impact of diet on cardiovascular disease, mounting evidence suggests that a high carbohydrate diet is associated with a higher risk of mortality, while consumption of fats, including saturated and unsaturated fats, is associated with a lower risk of mortality. https://www.mdedge.com/endocrinology/article/192688/lipid-disorders/impact-carbs-vs-fats-cvd-risk-becoming-better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted October 7, 2019 On 10/1/2019 at 11:35 AM, IGotWorms said: Yes, that and overly processed foods Is beer an overly processed food? Please say "no". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,248 Posted October 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, sderk said: Is beer an overly processed food? Please say "no". No they’ve had that for thousands of years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,446 Posted October 7, 2019 On 10/1/2019 at 6:54 AM, IGotWorms said: First of all, this is about red meat, right? Second, red meat has lots of saturated fat, which is bad for you. Now I’m sure it’s still better than most of the highly processed junk we generally eat in this country, so there’s that. But no question lean meats and vegetables are better for you I really sucks when your belief system falls apart, doesn’t it. It is comical how you try to reassure yourself by throwing the same old talking points as fact. Hint: Everyone is different, some people can eat massive amounts of fats and live to be 100 while others stroke out at 55. We are all different! Look at your family to see what works for you. One Size Does Not Fit All! Why is that so hard for you to comprehend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,248 Posted October 7, 2019 31 minutes ago, Baker Boy said: I really sucks when your belief system falls apart, doesn’t it. It is comical how you try to reassure yourself by throwing the same old talking points as fact. Hint: Everyone is different, some people can eat massive amounts of fats and live to be 100 while others stroke out at 55. We are all different! Look at your family to see what works for you. One Size Does Not Fit All! Why is that so hard for you to comprehend. Oh without a doubt. Never meant to dispute that, Phurfur. We’re talking about general rules of thumb here — of course there are exceptions and so forth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted October 7, 2019 We are supposed to eat meat and it’s good for you. As are plants and fruits. I can’t stand all these studies that show someone who drank 2 cups of orange juice in 1978 got cancer so there may be a link between Orange juice and cancer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,248 Posted October 15, 2019 Oops: A surprising new study challenged decades of nutrition advice and gave consumers the green light to eat more red and processed meat. But what the study didn’t say is that its lead author has past research ties to the meat and food industry. The new report, published this week in the Annals of Internal Medicine, stunned scientists and public health officials because it contradicted longstanding nutrition guidelines about limiting consumption of red and processed meats. The analysis, led by Bradley C. Johnston, an epidemiologist at Dalhousie University in Canada, and more than a dozen researchers concluded that warnings linking meat consumption to heart disease and cancer are not backed by strong scientific evidence. Several prominent nutrition scientists and health organizations criticized the study’s methods and findings. But Dr. Johnston and his colleagues defended the work, saying it relied on the highest standards of scientific evidence, and noted that the large team of investigators reported no conflicts of interest and conducted the review without outside funding. Dr. Johnston also indicated on a disclosure form that he did not have any conflicts of interest to report during the past three years. But as recently as December 2016 he was the senior author on a similar study that tried to discredit international health guidelines advising people to eat less sugar. That study, which also appeared in the Annals of Internal Medicine, was paid for by the International Life Sciences Institute, or ILSI, an industry trade group largely supported by agribusiness, food and pharmaceutical companies and whose members have included McDonald’s, Coca-Cola, PepsiCo and Cargill, one of the largest beef processors in North America. The industry group, founded by a top Coca-Cola executive four decades ago, has long been accused by the World Health Organization and others of trying to undermine public health recommendations to advance the interests of its corporate members. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites