Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 11, 2019 6 ppg above the second best defense, 9 ppg above the third best defense. Only McCaffery is more valuable on a ppg basis at his position. They play the Bengals and Bills weeks 15 and 16. Would you need a great offer? A decent one because they are a defense? No way you trade them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheUsualSuspect 207 Posted October 11, 2019 CMAC + a gaggle of Nebraska’s finest in the jacuzzi or A reach around behind the Christmas tree. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, TheUsualSuspect said: CMAC + a gaggle of Nebraska’s finest in the jacuzzi or A reach around behind the Christmas tree. I think that may be undrselling a bit, but I like where this conversation started Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtimer 84 Posted October 11, 2019 I think if you were going to trade them, do so before their end of season stretch of games. They haven't exactly played the top offenses in the league to date and I do not believe, at all, they put up these numbers against Dallas, Houston, etc. etc. Bill's record against first and second year QB's is insanely good. How will they be though against teams that can actually move the ball AND play defense? I'm not saying they are overrated, just that if you are going to sell, now would be the time, or in the next few weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zftcg 84 Posted October 11, 2019 It's not exactly the same, but I remember people saying last year that Mahomes was a sell-high candidate. In theory, both make sense. If you have a clear No. 1 at a position that's more easily replaceable, and you can leverage it to improve in a less replaceable position like RB/WR, you should do it. And I could see a scenario where you have Pats D and a big hole at RB2 or WR2 and found someone willing to trade with you. But in practice, it's hard to get full value. I think people don't want to trade something good for a D for the exact reason you're looking to sell high: Because they don't value D all that much. I also think there's a psychological element to owning a set-it-and-forget-it player at a onesie position. It's really nice to not have to worry about your DST every week. Takes a huge load off your mind. There was an added psychological element with Mahomes last year that's also true -- though to a much lesser extent -- with the Pats: It was really focking fun to have the QB1 on my roster, especially given that I took him in the ninth round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 11, 2019 Pats will be solid for the stretch of games that have good offenses, but the have an awesome playoff sched too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewall 647 Posted October 11, 2019 As tough as it is to do psychologically, I agree that they are a prime sell-high candidate. They are a very good defense, but unlike Mahomie last year who was matchup-proof, they are definitely over performing right now. NYG's, who were on the road and missing 90% of their playmakers, were moving the ball well on them. Int's, fumbles, and especially TD's are extremely streaky. Very likely that their value will not be higher than right now. I would take advantage of that if I had obvious holes in my squad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 567 Posted October 11, 2019 I would definitely sell if I could get a legitimate starter at a position of need. The Pats have faced the Steelers, Fins, Jets (no darnold), Bills, Skins, and Giants with their Practice Squad. They get the Jets again and then start playing teams with actual NFL offenses. The problem as I see it is I checked two different trade value charts and both don't even list defenses. Hard to gauge the value, but yeah if you can sell high, I most certainly would. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beyond Chaos 75 Posted October 11, 2019 Keep in mind when you trade for the Pats D, you'll get a couple of referees thrown in for free. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ehlana 25 Posted October 11, 2019 I don't think anyone is going to give up enough to make it worth my while to trade the Patriots. People don't typically value defenses, so they're trying to buy low, but the points count the same as anything else. Right now the Patriots are twice as valuable as any other defense. Even adjusting for the fact they probably aren't going to keep scoring touchdowns at this rate, the sacks and turnovers will still be there. I wouldn't mind selling, but I just don't see someone giving me an RB 2 or WR 2 in exchange. I may as well just start the Patriots each weeks and hope for the best. Maybe mixing in the Browns or Eages when the Patriots have a particularly bad matchup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldtimer 84 Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said: Pats will be solid for the stretch of games that have good offenses, but the have an awesome playoff sched too How so?! They get the Chiefs in Week 14. That's the first week of the playoffs. They have the Bengals in Week 15, which is a great matchup for them. In Week 16 they get the Bills, who may have something to play for. So they have one great matchup, one good matchup and one absolutely horrible matchup. The matchup with the Bills ended with 4 interceptions. No way do they let Allen throw 4 picks again, but I'll still give it a 'good' rating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, oldtimer said: How so?! They get the Chiefs in Week 14. That's the first week of the playoffs. They have the Bengals in Week 15, which is a great matchup for them. In Week 16 they get the Bills, who may have something to play for. So they have one great matchup, one good matchup and one absolutely horrible matchup. The matchup with the Bills ended with 4 interceptions. No way do they let Allen throw 4 picks again, but I'll still give it a 'good' rating. For my one league 4 teams make the playoffs. Yes the chiefs may need to be avoided, but I will take the bills and cincy against the Pats D any day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 397 Posted October 11, 2019 I draft two defenses on most of my teams each season and stream them. I usually try to make one of them the Patriots. It usually works out well but this season, of course, it's been a blessing. The reason is, they almost always play a cookie cutter schedule, and they are the best coached team. While they have a few tougher match ups later in the season, the 4 games after the bye are a tough stretch with Philly, Dallas, Houston, and KC, they should still put up good numbers on par with the other top defenses. Then for the playoffs, they have some of the best match ups possible. Right now it would be a tough sell, very tough. There's no reason to think they won't continue to shine. I honestly don't think I would trade them unless it was for multiple tops players. The gap in the score at D is just something that you can't make up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted October 11, 2019 See the "New York Jets Defense" thread if you are considering cashing in the Patriots, or just looking to add a defense to turn to when the Patriots play actual NFL teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loonecho 19 Posted October 12, 2019 My philosophy is to try to have every position in my lineup ranked in the top 10 and as many as possible in the top 5. I have found that to be a winning strategy. Week to week consistently. Patriots D checks both boxes. As the no. 1 rank in a single player slot in my lineup, it makes no sense for me to trade them away unless I have a glaring substandard slot and I can get a top 10 in that weak slot and still have a top 5 in my DST slot. NE DST is not just good because they have played weak teams. They are just good. And that is exactly what I want on my fantasy teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JagFan 97 Posted October 12, 2019 It’s a freaking Def. Is this much discussion really happening? This is the wrong board for this anyway. Move it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, JagFan said: It’s a freaking Def. Is this much discussion really happening? This is the wrong board for this anyway. Move it. Who popped in your cheerios? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loonecho 19 Posted October 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, JagFan said: It’s a freaking Def. Is this much discussion really happening? This is the wrong board for this anyway. Move it. Your opinion has been noted. Sorry we forced you to click on the topic. We'll try to be more careful as we move forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PunkRockRedneck 8 Posted October 12, 2019 2 hours ago, JagFan said: It’s a freaking Def. Is this much discussion really happening? This is the wrong board for this anyway. Move it. In my league, NE defense is the 3rd highest scoring position overall. That's over ALL players. That makes them the same value as any "elite" RB1. Or QB, WR, and TEs. Only McCaffery and Ekeler are above NE D. Sure they'll probably have some down games, but find me a player that won't. They are also twice the points scored by the next defense. That's a pretty big drop for any position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,418 Posted October 12, 2019 I wouldn’t trade for a def, unless it’s cheap I know the Pats def is posting great ff points, but ff def can change so quickly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted October 12, 2019 They are the fantasy MVP and a huge weekly advantage since you paid nothing for them. Anyone who trades Pats DST is crazy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheUsualSuspect 207 Posted October 12, 2019 5 hours ago, JagFan said: It’s a freaking Def. Is this much discussion really happening? This is the wrong board for this anyway. Move it. Get off my lawn!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 12, 2019 16 hours ago, AxeElf said: See the "New York Jets Defense" thread if you are considering cashing in the Patriots, or just looking to add a defense to turn to when the Patriots play actual NFL teams. Hmm the Jets play the wildly overrated Daniel Jones on the Pats bye. Interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ehlana 25 Posted October 12, 2019 I think I'm going to grab the Browns defense to go with the Patriots. Week 10: Buf Week 11: Pit Week 12: Mia Week 13: @ Pit Week 14: Cin That basically covers the Pats bad matchups. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted October 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Ehlana said: I think I'm going to grab the Browns defense to go with the Patriots. Week 10: Buf Week 11: Pit Week 12: Mia Week 13: @ Pit Week 14: Cin That basically covers the Pats bad matchups. The downside, of course, is that the Browns DST is scoring a mere 0.4 points per week more than the crappy Giants DST, despite playing their first 2 games against the #27 and #32 ranked offenses of the Titans and Jets. And that's not a function of playing the Ravens, 49ers and Rams since then, either--the Browns were actually averaging 0.1 points per week LESS after those first two cupcake games than they are now. The complementary DST to grab is the Jets--their 9/10/11/12/13/14 schedule is MIA, NYG, WAS, OAK, CIN and MIA again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 12, 2019 1 minute ago, AxeElf said: The downside, of course, is that the Browns DST is scoring a mere 0.4 points per week more than the crappy Giants DST, despite playing their first 2 games against the #27 and #32 ranked offenses of the Titans and Jets. And that's not a function of playing the Ravens, 49ers and Rams since then, either--the Browns were actually averaging 0.1 points per week LESS after those first two cupcake games than they are now. The complementary DST to grab is the Jets--their 9/10/11/12/13/14 schedule is MIA, NYG, WAS, OAK, CIN and MIA again. Once Cleveland gets their defensive backfield back they may perk up quite a bit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 397 Posted October 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Ehlana said: I think I'm going to grab the Browns defense to go with the Patriots. Week 10: Buf Week 11: Pit Week 12: Mia Week 13: @ Pit Week 14: Cin That basically covers the Pats bad matchups. The only team I may sit the Pats against would be the Chiefs, outside of that I think they're still likely to be as good as most other Defenses Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted October 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: Once Cleveland gets their defensive backfield back they may perk up quite a bit The Jets should have Mosley back by that stretch, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimaveli 119 Posted October 12, 2019 Good looking out on this. Jets dst it is! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ehlana 25 Posted October 12, 2019 5 hours ago, AxeElf said: The downside, of course, is that the Browns DST is scoring a mere 0.4 points per week more than the crappy Giants DST, despite playing their first 2 games against the #27 and #32 ranked offenses of the Titans and Jets. And that's not a function of playing the Ravens, 49ers and Rams since then, either--the Browns were actually averaging 0.1 points per week LESS after those first two cupcake games than they are now. The complementary DST to grab is the Jets--their 9/10/11/12/13/14 schedule is MIA, NYG, WAS, OAK, CIN and MIA again. Talking about averages doesn't make much sense. I don't care about the Jets or Browns averages, only what they'll get me when/if I start them. The Jets only have 6 sacks, they're defensive point total is entirely due to the 3 touchdowns they've scored, and I don't think you can count on defensive touchdowns. I'd rather have Cleveland's sacks and turnovers than the randomness of a Jets TD. Although I will admit that two games against Miami is pretty sweet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted October 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, Ehlana said: Talking about averages doesn't make much sense. I don't care about the Jets or Browns averages, only what they'll get me when/if I start them. The Jets only have 6 sacks, they're defensive point total is entirely due to the 3 touchdowns they've scored, and I don't think you can count on defensive touchdowns. I'd rather have Cleveland's sacks and turnovers than the randomness of a Jets TD. Although I will admit that two games against Miami is pretty sweet. Well, it's not ENTIRELY due to defensive TDs, although they certainly helped (and they've helped the Patriots and the 49ers too). But the Jets are also tied for 7th in fumble recoveries and tied for 11th in interceptions--AND they've been without arguably their best player (Mosley)--who scored 1 of those defensive TDs--since the 4th quarter of Week 1. They've also done it against some reasonable NFL offenses--Buffalo, Cleveland, New England and Philadelphia. When they have Mosley back and play that stretch of MIA, NYG, WAS, OAK, CIN and MIA again in Weeks 9-14, they're going to be as good or better than most other defenses, and I would expect them to finish the season among the top 5 (which is where they would be right now if you prorated their bye week). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 128 Posted October 14, 2019 I’ve been offered A.J. Green & Bears D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 27, 2019 I have been sent a few offers for them in redraft and dynasty. Nope Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BufordT 370 Posted October 27, 2019 Dude on redzone just said the Pats would be 4-2-1 if the NE offense scored zero TD's this year. That's sick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 27, 2019 We could have the best fantasy season ever for a D, best fantasy season from a rb, and Minshew being the best rookie qb ever all in one year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites