Happy Indigenous Peoples day...

[Fireballer 2,376]

...is not what Trump says.

 

 

[Hawkeye21 1,850]

This is a pretty stupid holiday.  I'm surprised we still have it.

[MTSkiBum 1,594]

Happy Leif Erickson day!

[TimmySmith 2,782]

A holiday to acknowledge the foundations of North American civilization seems reasonable to me.    We all sure have benefitted.

[Big Guy 1,400]

happy whoopdifockindoday!

[vuduchile 1,941]

Damn,  I forgot today was a holiday.  Banks are closed. Mail isn't running.  Maybe I should skate early and go to the casino or something. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,619]

15 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

A holiday to acknowledge the foundations of North American civilization seems reasonable to me.    We all sure have benefitted.

The Indians sure did. They were committing genocide on themselves before the Spanish conquistadors decided to do it for them. 

[NorthernVike 2,080]

Worst holiday ever. 

[vuduchile 1,941]

50 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The Indians sure did. They were committing genocide on themselves before the Spanish conquistadors decided to do it for them. 

Sure they fought with each other before whites arrived here. Europeans fought against each other as well.  

For some reason, you want to disavow that fact that European settlers, endorsed and aided by the US govt had an impact on the decimation Native American people.  That's really just not accurate.  

https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/trail-of-tears

[mmmmm...beer 691]

Awww.. thanks buddy. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,619]

2 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Sure they fought with each other before whites arrived here. Europeans fought against each other as well.  

For some reason, you want to disavow that fact that European settlers, endorsed and aided by the US govt had an impact on the decimation Native American people.  That's really just not accurate.  

https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/trail-of-tears

No. I know what the US did, starting in 1787 when we came into existence. I just want the blame placed where it mostly belongs, which is Europe, mainly Spain and Portugal.  

[Cdub100 3,379]

I'm enjoying my day off 

[vuduchile 1,941]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No. I know what the US did, starting in 1787 when we came into existence. I just want the blame placed where it mostly belongs, which is Europe, mainly Spain and Portugal.  

Help me understand why that's so important to you.

[supermike80 1,285]

22 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Sure they fought with each other before whites arrived here. Europeans fought against each other as well.  

For some reason, you want to disavow that fact that European settlers, endorsed and aided by the US govt had an impact on the decimation Native American people.  That's really just not accurate.  

https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/trail-of-tears

Yes. They lost.  Tough.  Happens throughout history.  Weaker societies get overrun by stronger ones.  I am sooooo tired of this.  They lost, that's it.   Sucks but that is just how it goes.  

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

In honor of Christopher Columbus, I'm getting pizza tonight.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,573]

8 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Yes. They lost.  Tough.  Happens throughout history.  Weaker societies get overrun by stronger ones.  I am sooooo tired of this.  They lost, that's it.   Sucks but that is just how it goes.  

and then as a bonus they were given more rights than those who conquered them.  The only time in the history of the world as well, thats how nice white people were

 

[sderk 1,040]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The Indians sure did. They were committing genocide on themselves before the Spanish conquistadors decided to do it for them. 

They blame it all on the Europeans even though they were slaughtering each other to the point that their structures were built to be able to enter through the roofs and then pull up the ladders so the marauding other tribe attackers couldn't get to them.

And by the way, for all of those who don't seem to know the definition:

Indigenous means: originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native

The Indians did not originate here and are not native to these lands.

[Voltaire 4,556]

It's important to celebrate Columbus Day fully because the left wants to kill it so we need to embellish it.

[vuduchile 1,941]

9 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Yes. They lost.  Tough.  Happens throughout history.  Weaker societies get overrun by stronger ones.  I am sooooo tired of this.  They lost, that's it.   Sucks but that is just how it goes.  

 

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

and then as a bonus they were given more rights than those who conquered them.  The only time in the history of the world as well, thats how nice white people were

 

I wouldn't be alive if it weren't for Europeans and Native Americans banging each other way back then, so I don't whine about things that happened to my ancestors. 

But you can't lump all tribes in together as range riding savages hell bent on scalping each other and any white people who got in their way. 

For example, the trail of tears involved the removal of members of the civilized tribes. These were peaceful farmers who were  trying to assimilate to the ways of the white man and the United States.  They were not at war with other tribes, and certainly were not at war with the US. 

Native American women and children were routinely abused, raped and killed by Europeans and US soldiers during that march to Oklahoma.  If you want to dismiss all that as just a part of war, then it's clear we won't ever see eye to eye on any of this.  

As for Columbus and Columbus Day, I don't give a sh!t about it or it's meaning to you or anyone else.  As I said above, it's just another day off for the bankers. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,619]

34 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Help me understand why that's so important to you.

Because I'm tired of the United States taking the blame for everything when it's simply not true. Europe gets a free pass on all of this, including slavery. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,619]

5 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

 

I wouldn't be alive if it weren't for Europeans and Native Americans banging each other way back then, so I don't whine about things that happened to my ancestors. 

But you can't lump all tribes in together as range riding savages hell bent on scalping each other and any white people who got in their way. 

For example, the trail of tears involved the removal of members of the civilized tribes. These were peaceful farmers who were  trying to assimilate to the ways of the white man and the United States.  They were not at war with other tribes, and certainly were not at war with the US. 

Native American women and children were routinely abused, raped and killed by Europeans and US soldiers during that march to Oklahoma.  If you want to dismiss all that as just a part of war, then it's clear we won't ever see eye to eye on any of this.  

As for Columbus and Columbus Day, I don't give a sh!t about it or it's meaning to you or anyone else.  As I said above, it's just another day off for the bankers. 

 

Those peaceful farmers also held slaves. They brought them on the trail of tears with them. They weren't taken away. 

[sderk 1,040]

28 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

It's important to celebrate Columbus Day fully because the left wants to kill it so we need to embellish it.

Quote

Protesters Gather For Annual Columbus Day Parade In Bloomfield

The annual Columbus Day Parade in Bloomfield was met with protesters. Shortly after the parade stepped off, a group with a banner that said, “this is stolen land” jumped in front of the parade route.

None of the protestors wanted to talk, but Kalen Tierney with the anti-racism group What’s Up Pittsburgh said we should not be celebrating Christopher Columbus.

“By honoring Columbus, we’re not telling the true story of him setting in motion the transatlantic slave trade and a massive genocide of native people,” she said.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2019/10/12/bloomfield-columbus-day-parade-protests/

 

Yet again, another example of people not knowing anything about history. I would love to see these caring folks offer up their homes and lands to the poor American Indians they care so much about. Hmm... I wonder if they will? Is that Newbie and MDC carrying the sign? I don't think so, they aren't fat enough.

[supermike80 1,285]

17 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

 

I wouldn't be alive if it weren't for Europeans and Native Americans banging each other way back then, so I don't whine about things that happened to my ancestors. 

But you can't lump all tribes in together as range riding savages hell bent on scalping each other and any white people who got in their way. 

For example, the trail of tears involved the removal of members of the civilized tribes. These were peaceful farmers who were  trying to assimilate to the ways of the white man and the United States.  They were not at war with other tribes, and certainly were not at war with the US. 

Native American women and children were routinely abused, raped and killed by Europeans and US soldiers during that march to Oklahoma.  If you want to dismiss all that as just a part of war, then it's clear we won't ever see eye to eye on any of this.  

As for Columbus and Columbus Day, I don't give a sh!t about it or it's meaning to you or anyone else.  As I said above, it's just another day off for the bankers. 

 

I wont ever stand up and say rape and murder are OK--and to single that out as your argument is weak sauce.    But as far as being pushed out, well tough noogies.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,573]

18 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

 

I wouldn't be alive if it weren't for Europeans and Native Americans banging each other way back then, so I don't whine about things that happened to my ancestors. 

But you can't lump all tribes in together as range riding savages hell bent on scalping each other and any white people who got in their way. 

For example, the trail of tears involved the removal of members of the civilized tribes. These were peaceful farmers who were  trying to assimilate to the ways of the white man and the United States.  They were not at war with other tribes, and certainly were not at war with the US. 

Native American women and children were routinely abused, raped and killed by Europeans and US soldiers during that march to Oklahoma.  If you want to dismiss all that as just a part of war, then it's clear we won't ever see eye to eye on any of this.  

As for Columbus and Columbus Day, I don't give a sh!t about it or it's meaning to you or anyone else.  As I said above, it's just another day off for the bankers. 

 

Oh I know the history. I just don’t care. And fwiw. I’m tribal enough to have reservation land in Oklahoma 

[vuduchile 1,941]

48 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I wont ever stand up and say rape and murder are OK--and to single that out as your argument is weak sauce.    But as far as being pushed out, well tough noogies.

Yeah. Rape and murder is so much weaker than tough noogies. 

[supermike80 1,285]

2 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Yeah. Rape and murder is so much weaker than tough noogies. 

What?

[jerryskids 5,189]

Quote

“By honoring Columbus, we’re not telling the true story of him setting in motion the transatlantic slave trade and a massive genocide of native people,” she said

 

Oof... It seems the woke SJW triggered warrior princesses have latched onto this one, I presume it is only a matter of time before we replace it with Greta Van Climate Change Day. 

[Big Guy 1,400]

Maybe we just lose the Holiday all together. If we make it Indigenous People Day it will be like putting a band aid on a broken leg. It'll only play into more white guilt for the small minded. But hey, If it makes Native Americans feel better, I'm all for it.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,619]

Just call it long weekend in the fall day. That's all anyone cares about. And a cheap TV or Mattress. 

[Hawkeye21 1,850]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Just call it long weekend in the fall day. That's all anyone cares about. And a cheap TV or Mattress. 

Except that a lot of people don't get the day off.  My kids are in school today as well.  Only thing closed here is the post office and the banks.

[5-Points 2,726]

Hihowareya.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

I don't think there is a single society where a previous one got overrun at some point.

Britain got invaded and conquered THREE times.

1.  The Romans conquered Britain like 2000 years ago and settled it, built a wall, etc.

2.  The Angles and Saxons invaded Britain from around 400 to 600 AD and changed the culture completely.

3.  William the Conqueror invaded Britain in 1066 and killed Honald.  He began drastically changing the culture.  French almost replaced English as a language and many English words today are borrowed from French.

Why don't I hear about indigenous peoples day in the UK? 

What if I said communists hate capitalism and try to run guilt trips on capitalist societies to destroy them, and since the US is a biggest capitalist nation, shaming them for something that happened in the past is a subversion tactic.

 

If there was an indigenous peoples day in the UK to celebrate the original Britons, it would tear their society apart.  It would foster jealousy and hatred between Britons and Angles and Saxons.  To keep focusing and highlighting on it would create hatred between the English and French.  Every year, shove it in the French's face that they invaded in 1066 and they should always feel guilt.  Make everyone hate each other.  Its stupid and it sucks.  Its not enlightened or helpful in the least.

So fock off.

[Big Guy 1,400]

6 minutes ago, riversco said:

I don't think there is a single society where a previous one got overrun at some point.

Britain got invaded and conquered THREE times.

1.  The Romans conquered Britain like 2000 years ago and settled it, built a wall, etc.

2.  The Angles and Saxons invaded Britain from around 400 to 600 AD and changed the culture completely.

3.  William the Conqueror invaded Britain in 1066 and killed Honald.  He began drastically changing the culture.  French almost replaced English as a language and many English words today are borrowed from French.

Why don't I hear about indigenous peoples day in the UK? 

What if I said communists hate capitalism and try to run guilt trips on capitalist societies to destroy them, and since the US is a biggest capitalist nation, shaming them for something that happened in the past is a subversion tactic.

 

If there was an indigenous peoples day in the UK to celebrate the original Britons, it would tear their society apart.  It would foster jealousy and hatred between Britons and Angles and Saxons.  To keep focusing and highlighting on it would create hatred between the English and French.  Every year, shove it in the French's face that they invaded in 1066 and they should always feel guilt.  Make everyone hate each other.  Its stupid and it sucks.  Its not enlightened or helpful in the least.

So fock off.

well said 

[Big Guy 1,400]

Unlike the "Indians"........we didn't even have reservations 

[Hawkeye21 1,850]

1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

Hihowareya.

Saying that out loud made me think the of the cigar store Indian episode of Seinfeld.

[Djgb13 2,338]

Tried to google a tweet by Ben Shapiro but I’ll be dammed if google thrust all these articles about how horrible he is instead of just showing me what I googled. 
 

but to quote it “So now we have learned from the media that having a Native American great great great great great grandparent makes you a Native American but having two X chromosomes doesn’t make you a woman” 

[Voltaire 4,556]

4 hours ago, riversco said:

I don't think there is a single society where a previous one got overrun at some point.

Britain got invaded and conquered THREE times.

1.  The Romans conquered Britain like 2000 years ago and settled it, built a wall, etc.

2.  The Angles and Saxons invaded Britain from around 400 to 600 AD and changed the culture completely.

3.  William the Conqueror invaded Britain in 1066 and killed Honald.  He began drastically changing the culture.  French almost replaced English as a language and many English words today are borrowed from French.

Why don't I hear about indigenous peoples day in the UK? 

 

4) In the early 21st century, they started feeling a massive amount of white guilt inflicted on them by candy-ass leftist media and got overrun by Muslims.

And, indigenous people won't have a day in the UK. Ever.

[vuduchile 1,941]

4 hours ago, riversco said:

I don't think there is a single society where a previous one got overrun at some point.

Britain got invaded and conquered THREE times.

1.  The Romans conquered Britain like 2000 years ago and settled it, built a wall, etc.

2.  The Angles and Saxons invaded Britain from around 400 to 600 AD and changed the culture completely.

3.  William the Conqueror invaded Britain in 1066 and killed Honald.  He began drastically changing the culture.  French almost replaced English as a language and many English words today are borrowed from French.

Why don't I hear about indigenous peoples day in the UK? 

What if I said communists hate capitalism and try to run guilt trips on capitalist societies to destroy them, and since the US is a biggest capitalist nation, shaming them for something that happened in the past is a subversion tactic.

 

If there was an indigenous peoples day in the UK to celebrate the original Britons, it would tear their society apart.  It would foster jealousy and hatred between Britons and Angles and Saxons.  To keep focusing and highlighting on it would create hatred between the English and French.  Every year, shove it in the French's face that they invaded in 1066 and they should always feel guilt.  Make everyone hate each other.  Its stupid and it sucks.  Its not enlightened or helpful in the least.

So fock off.

Nobody with half a brain gives a fock about the naming of the holiday. 

What I take issue with is people trying to dismiss the brutality inflicted on the innocent, peaceful Native Americans as routine “conquering” or incidental and neccesary violence in the making of America.  

You wanna move Indians out of the Southeast so you can grow cotton?  Ok great. Move em. But why starve, abuse, rape and murder them along the way?

I don’t expect you or anyone else alive today to defend those actions or be accountable for them.  But stop feeding me this bullsh!t about how it was all normal and necessary.  It just wasn’t   

 

 

 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

So what is the appropriate gift? Some glass beads and smallpox blankets I presume? 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,619]

7 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Nobody with half a brain gives a fock about the naming of the holiday. 

What I take issue with is people trying to dismiss the brutality inflicted on the innocent, peaceful Native Americans as routine “conquering” or incidental and neccesary violence in the making of America.  

You wanna move Indians out of the Southeast so you can grow cotton?  Ok great. Move em. But why starve, abuse, rape and murder them along the way?

I don’t expect you or anyone else alive today to defend those actions or be accountable for them.  But stop feeding me this bullsh!t about how it was all normal and necessary.  It just wasn’t   

 

 

 

Of course it wasn't necessary. Neither was the potato famine in Ireland, amongst other atrocities commited by the English. You think no irish women got raped? But you don't see me or anyone I know using it as an excuse or looking for sympathy. Or a payday.