Glacier National Park is replacing signs that predicted its glaciers would be gone by 2020

[Old School 360]

Oops.

Couple things that strike me.

There was enough money in the budget to post these signs, but for the 3 years since being officially advised it wasn't going to happen, there isn't enough money to remove the signs.

Are National Parks tasked with confirming Man Made Global Warming?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/glacier-national-park-is-replacing-signs-that-predicted-its-glaciers-would-be-gone-by-2020/ar-BBYJejT?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=spartandhp

The signs at Glacier National Park warning that its signature glaciers would be gone by 2020 are being changed.

The signs in the Montana park were added more than a decade ago to reflect climate change forecasts at the time by the US Geological Survey, park spokeswoman Gina Kurzmen told CNN.

In 2017, the park was told by the agency that the complete melting off of the glaciers was no longer expected to take place so quickly due to changes in the forecast model, Kurzmen said. But tight maintenance budgets made it impossible for the park to immediately change the signs.

The most prominent placards, at St. Mary's Visitor Center, were changed last year. Kurzmen says that park is still waiting for budget authorization to update signs at two other locations.

But the glacier warning isn't being removed entirely, she told CNN. Instead, the new signs will say: "When they will completely disappear depends on how and when we act. One thing is consistent: the glaciers in the park are shrinking.

Humans are responsible, scientist says

In 2017, a study released by USGS and Portland State University said that in the past half century, some of the ice formations in Montana had lost 85% of their size and the average shrinkage was 39%.

"In several decades they will be mostly gone. They will grow so small that they will disappear. They will certainly be gone before the end of the century," Dan Fagre, the study's lead scientist, had said.

And humans are responsible, Fagre said after the study's release.

"There are variations in the climate but it is humans that have made all those variations warmer," he said. "The glaciers have been here for 7,000 years and will be gone in decades. This is not part of the natural cycle."

The melting of these structures is "all atmospherically driven," he added.

But the park isn't a unique case -- glaciers are shrinking across the globe, experts say.

In Switzerland, glaciers have shrunk 10% in the past five years -- an unprecedented rate in more than a century of observations, research published last year shows.

In Iceland, researchers bid farewell to the first glacier in the country lost to climate change. In a funeral-like gathering, scientists memorialized the glacier, known as Ok, with a plaque that read: "Ok is the first Icelandic glacier to lose its status as a glacier. In the next 200 years, all our glaciers are expected to follow the same path. This monument is to acknowledge that we know what is happening and know what needs to be done. Only you know if we did it."

And in June 2019, a new study revealed climate change was shrinking Himalayan glaciers twice as fast as last century.

Recently, the glaciers had lost around 8 billion tons of water a year -- the equivalent of 3.2 million Olympic-size swimming pools, say the researchers. And that could potentially threaten water supplies for hundreds of millions of people across parts of Asia.

[bandrus1 413]

Oh yeah the glacier melt is fake news eye roll

 

https://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/news/00000150-870f-d9fe-abf5-af3f23060000

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

5 minutes ago, bandrus1 said:

Oh yeah the glacier melt is fake news eye roll

 

https://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/news/00000150-870f-d9fe-abf5-af3f23060000

I know. We should definitely throw trillions at it and it will stop

[Vikings4ever 496]

Why replace them? Keep them up as a warning against alarmism.

[Old School 360]

4 minutes ago, bandrus1 said:

Oh yeah the glacier melt is fake news eye roll

 

https://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/news/00000150-870f-d9fe-abf5-af3f23060000

You find no irony that a National Park with glaciers has signs in place stating all their glaciers will be gone by- now? 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Feel bad for all the fake fear mongering placed on today's young people.  Their burden is immense already. 

[bandrus1 413]

10 minutes ago, Old School said:

You find no irony that a National Park with glaciers has signs in place stating all their glaciers will be gone by- now? 

I find no irony in the fact they are off by a few year but inevitably they will be gone in a short period of time.

 

Some how it's a moral victory to some models were off by a few years

[JustinCharge 2,397]

The best way to stop climate change is to throw tons of money at democrats.   And power.  In fact, if we give democrats ALL the money and power, theres probably nothing they cant do

[TBayXXXVII 2,106]

I find it funny how all of these climate people fail to acknowledge that Earth, is a tropical planet, that is in the middle of an ice age.  Uh, no kidding the ice is going to melt, it's inevitable.  It can't be stopped.

[Mookz 1,287]

Don't put a date on it, just put "within 12 years of today".  Never change it again. 

[Bert 1,087]

1 hour ago, bandrus1 said:

I find no irony in the fact they are off by a few year but inevitably they will be gone in a short period of time.

 

Some how it's a moral victory to some models were off by a few years

In geological terms a short period is a 100,000 years.  You know that, right?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

43 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I find it funny how all of these climate people fail to acknowledge that Earth, is a tropical planet, that is in the middle of an ice age.  Uh, no kidding the ice is going to melt, it's inevitable.  It can't be stopped.

Never talked about is the reality that the earth will always gets hotter, only curbed by a cataclysmic event.  There is no scientific proof, ZERO, that we could arrest warming, much less reverse it.  Because we can't.

[Baker Boy 1,477]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I find it funny how all of these climate people fail to acknowledge that Earth, is a tropical planet, that is in the middle of an ice age.  Uh, no kidding the ice is going to melt, it's inevitable.  It can't be stopped.

Correct, we are still leaving the last ice age and it has been happening for over 11,700 years. 10,000 years ago what is now Chicago was under 1 mile ice.

And still no one has been able to tell me why global warming is bad!

[edjr 5,547]

I am really enjoying this 30/40 degree winter. I am fine with global warming.

it is going to be 60! this weekend.

get ya clubs ready boyz

[Bert 1,087]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

I am really enjoying this 30/40 degree winter. I am fine with global warming.

it is going to be 60! this weekend.

get ya clubs ready boyz

get'em ready?  We never put them up! 

[edjr 5,547]

Just now, Bert said:

get'em ready?  We never put them up! 

Edex is once a month.  You're in?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 hour ago, bandrus1 said:

I find no irony in the fact they are off by a few year but inevitably they will be gone in a short period of time.

 

Some how it's a moral victory to some models were off by a few years

Their fear mongering was incorrect.  Couldn't have been science based because science isn't wrong.  So what was it based in? 

[RLLD 3,455]

I think they should put up new signs that make another guess based on misuse of current data, like they did last time, its an automatic LOL for later.....

[Intense Observer 344]

I have never been to Glacier National Park. I lived about 3 hours away once upon a time but never visited because I thought it was just a big frozen ice patch, like Antarctica, because of the name.

My loss big time! Can't wait to get up and visit now that I have seen pics and videos.

Speaking of glaciers though, are there any left in GNP? I know Wind River Range has a few, and I think North Cascades has a few left, they are both higher elevation. There are thousands of gorgeous alpine lakes in that region. But as for ice ice baby style glaciers, do they even exist in NW Montana?

If so, can I get some names, hoping to get up there before Yellowstone erupts.

[sderk 1,040]

5 hours ago, bandrus1 said:

I find no irony in the fact they are off by a few year but inevitably they will be gone in a short period of time.

 

Some how it's a moral victory to some models were off by a few years

Yet in 1979 the climate crazies were going after global cooling. 

Do any of you nutcases realize that the temperature of the planet changes throughout the years? No matter what the life on Earth does?

[nobody 2,031]

The thing that has the most effect on our climate is the sun, and we can only estimate its temperature.

if you can’t even accurately measure the input that has the largest impact on the climate (by a factor of about what? a billion or so), how can you possibly say with any certainty what causes the temperature to change?  What if the temperature of the sun moved up or down 50 degrees?  A hundred degrees?  Do we think an uncontrolled nuclear fireball has a stable temperature or something?

[taco breath 419]

my favorite sign:

'free beer tomorrow'.

[Baker Boy 1,477]

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[Gladiators 1,903]

On 1/8/2020 at 11:50 AM, TimmySmith said:

Never talked about is the reality that the earth will always gets hotter, only curbed by a cataclysmic event.  There is no scientific proof, ZERO, that we could arrest warming, much less reverse it.  Because we can't.