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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Looking forward to the Red Sox punishment. * isn’t just for the Patriots anymore.  

Little old town of Boston living rent free

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suspended 80 games for PEDs, but suspended a year for stealing signs :wacko:

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31 minutes ago, edjr said:

suspended 80 games for PEDs, but suspended a year for stealing signs :wacko:

you are right

should be suspended for life

they werent just stealing signs, this wasnt a coach peaking at the C, or someone watching the opposing teams head coach

 

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I really think the league took the coward’s way out in regard to not punishing players — especially since they say this was “player driven”.  At a minimum, ban them from All-Star game and other awards that trigger bonus payments ... possibly ban them from HOF consideration.  Definitely fine them.  They should not go unpunished, and fines and bans can be done in a way that don’t directly impact the competitiveness of the teams they have moved onto.

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2 minutes ago, The PosterFormerlyKnownAs said:

I really think the league took the coward’s way out in regard to not punishing players — especially since they say this was “player driven”.  At a minimum, ban them from All-Star game and other awards that trigger bonus payments ... possibly ban them from HOF consideration.  Definitely fine them.  They should not go unpunished, and fines and bans can be done in a way that don’t directly impact the competitiveness of the teams they have moved onto.

kinda the Joe Jackson argument, here

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3 hours ago, MDC said:

They should vacate their title. 

I think this would open a huge can of worms...  Any teams that had cheaters on them (real or not), would question the legitimacy of that title...

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34 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

you are right

should be suspended for life

they werent just stealing signs, this wasnt a coach peaking at the C, or someone watching the opposing teams head coach

 

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They did this to their fellow union brothers. Stole money from them. If I lost out on playoff/ws shares I’m pissed.  They should have to at least give that money back. 

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2 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

kinda the Joe Jackson argument, here

Shoeless Joe was banned from playing again.  I’m begrudgingly OK if they want them to keep playing ... just limit their hero status ability.  But I’d be OK with playing ban if the evidence were irrefutable.

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3 hours ago, MDC said:

They should vacate their title. 

They should give it to Wentz as a get well someday present. 

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5 minutes ago, drobeski said:

They should give it to Wentz as a get well someday present. 

I bet you like the Houston Asterix too, bandwagon boy.

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3 minutes ago, MDC said:

I bet you like the Houston Asterix too, bandwagon boy.

Nah, I'm a long time Nats/Niners guy. 

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Who gives a crap if a team is cheating when you have team salary ranges like this?

2018

The highest team payroll of $228,254,750

The lowest team payroll of $71,346,723

 

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On 1/14/2020 at 10:08 AM, TBayXXXVII said:

Back when I played, I didn't care so much about the pitch type as I did the location.  I could pick up the pitch at the pitchers hand, for the most part.  Not always, but often enough.  Pre-swing, I can adjust to the pitch type a lot better than I can the location.

Location is def important. I know we've been through this before, but I'm in the camp that believes pitch recognition at the MLB is nearly imossible unless the pitcher has an obvious tell.  

 

Sporting News: Tell us what you saw when the pitcher let go of the ball.

Musial: I couldn't see the spin, if that's what you're asking. A lot of guys said they could, but the ball comes up there so fast, I couldn't see the spin. Could you?

Gwynn: Nope.

SN: In a story we did a couple of years ago, particularly about hitting the curveball, and Wade Boggs, among others, said he could see a dot, a red dot, and that's how he knew a curveball was coming. Did you ever see that?

Musial: No.

Gwynn: Me neither

Musial: I looked for the speed of the ball coming out of his hand. If the ball jumped up when it left his hand, you know it's a fastball and just by concentrating, that little split-second difference tells you it was something else.

 

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If it didn’t make a difference, a significant difference, they wouldn’t have bothered. The risk would not have been worth the reward. Stop with the downplaying of this. It’s cheating and that’s that. 

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31 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If it didn’t make a difference, a significant difference, they wouldn’t have bothered. The risk would not have been worth the reward. Stop with the downplaying of this. It’s cheating and that’s that. 

No one said it wasn't cheating.  Just that for me, I'd rather know where the ball was going... not the pitch type.  Some guys can see it, some can't, as vuduchile posted.  I could.  Doesn't make me better or worse than anyone else, just different.

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36 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If it didn’t make a difference, a significant difference, they wouldn’t have bothered. The risk would not have been worth the reward. Stop with the downplaying of this. It’s cheating and that’s that. 

Red Sox Win 93 games. Hire Alex Cheater, win 108 games and the whispers start going around about cheating, they win 84 games 🙄  With the same focking team!

I am thrilled John Henry and the Red Sox have to go through this. JH is such a focking fraud, him and his focking fraud Boston Globe. FOCK YOU!!

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13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

No one said it wasn't cheating.  Just that for me, I'd rather know where the ball was going... not the pitch type.  Some guys can see it, some can't, as vuduchile posted.  I could.  Doesn't make me better or worse than anyone else, just different.

no way I can adjust to the plane of the pitch or keep myself back if I know before I start my swing that an off speed is coming

 

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9 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

no way I can adjust to the plane of the pitch or keep myself back if I know before I start my swing that an off speed is coming

 

Guys at my school were like that too... I wasn't.  I was able to see how the pitcher held the ball, so I knew what pitch (roughly), they were throwing.  Meaning, I knew if it was an off-speed pitch or not.  Now, did I know if it was a breaking ball or a change up?  Not always... that's why I said I'd rather know where the pitch was going.  If I knew that call is low or outside, it was generally a breaking ball.  If it were high or inside, it was most likely a change up.  I did play in Semi-Pro ball when I was 19 and 20, and didn't have a hard time there either.  My problem was that I had a really small build at the time.  I could hit singles and gap doubles all day long, but no ball was ever going to go over the fence.  Well, that plus I dropped out of HS at 16, so that was an obstacle as well.  LOL

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18 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Guys at my school were like that too... I wasn't.  I was able to see how the pitcher held the ball, so I knew what pitch (roughly), they were throwing.  Meaning, I knew if it was an off-speed pitch or not.  Now, did I know if it was a breaking ball or a change up?  Not always... that's why I said I'd rather know where the pitch was going.  If I knew that call is low or outside, it was generally a breaking ball.  If it were high or inside, it was most likely a change up.  I did play in Semi-Pro ball when I was 19 and 20, and didn't have a hard time there either.  My problem was that I had a really small build at the time.  I could hit singles and gap doubles all day long, but no ball was ever going to go over the fence.  Well, that plus I dropped out of HS at 16, so that was an obstacle as well.  LOL

Yah most people who can play can do just fine without it thru high school and college. FWIW I played 3 years in college and was a scab invitee in 95. However when you move higher and higher it’s harder and harder. Know if it’s coming 97 or 80 is a bigger difference than knowing location

high school and semi pro you are likely facing 85 tops with a 70 mph off speed that you have time to adjust on

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We got some talent around here. Digby won a national championship. I wonder if you guys ever crossed paths? 

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Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Yah most people who can play can do just fine without it thru high school and college. FWIW I played 3 years in college and was a scab invitee in 95. However when you move higher and higher it’s harder and harder. Know if it’s coming 97 or 80 is a bigger difference than knowing location

high school and semi pro you are likely facing 85 tops with a 70 mph off speed that you have time to adjust on

In HS, I was seeing/hitting 80 mph regularly... it approached 90 in semi-pro, it didn't matter how fast or slow it was coming (for me), I saw it in their hand.  If I can see some seems, it was a breaking ball or off-speed pitch.  If I couldn't seem at all  (2-seam), or a lot (4-seam), it was a fastball.

I take my nephew to a pitching instructor, he pitched in the minors and can get up to 98MPH.  I was able to hit him... obviously not as well as I'm older now, but it's only timing.  Give me 15-20 pitches to get acclimated and I hit the ball fair when it was in the strike zone regularly.  It's why I said, show me where the ball is going, and I will hit it more times than not.  Will they be a hit?  Obviously not, but I'll put the ball in play.

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

We got some talent around here. Digby won a national championship. I wonder if you guys ever crossed paths? 

I was able to hit... that's it.  I had to play 2B because as I said, I was really small.  As a 14 year old freshman at 4'10"/85 lbs, I was playing varsity.  I couldn't throw far and had virtually no power.  I hit for average and got on base, that was my job and what I did.  I lead the conference in batting average and doubles.

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

I was able to hit... that's it.  I had to play 2B because as I said, I was really small.  As a 14 year old freshman at 4'10"/85 lbs, I was playing varsity.  I couldn't throw far and had virtually no power.  I hit for average and got on base, that was my job and what I did.  I lead the conference in batting average and doubles.

A lost art. 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

A lost art. 

Yeah, it's either hit home runs or strike out any more.

In my 2 years, we played 61 games.  I lead off for most of them, so I averaged about 3.5 PA's per game.  I had 207 PA's, and only struck out 5 times.

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That’s like me I was your 1980s style no 2 hitter. Able to slap the ball between 1st and 2nd. Switch hitter hit and run specialist gap to gap guy lead cif in walks, sbs and runs my junior and senior year. I hit 1 homer in 3 years and it was in the semi finals. Then went to college and did a cycle hit 7 in 22 games as a freshman and went from hitting 76 to 92

juice was a great thing!

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Waiting for Mr. High-and-mighty Verlander to give his thoughts on all this.  Motherfocker has an opinion on everyone and everything to do with the game and is surprisingly silent on this whole thing.

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17 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

That’s like me I was your 1980s style no 2 hitter. Able to slap the ball between 1st and 2nd. Switch hitter hit and run specialist gap to gap guy lead cif in walks, sbs and runs my junior and senior year. I hit 1 homer in 3 years and it was in the semi finals. Then went to college and did a cycle hit 7 in 22 games as a freshman and went from hitting 76 to 92

juice was a great thing!

Nice that you were able to hit from both sides.  I was never able to do that.  Wanted to try, but in practice, I always looked like a floundering dope.  Gave up on it pretty quick.  LOL

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15 minutes ago, patweisers44 said:

Waiting for Mr. High-and-mighty Verlander to give his thoughts on all this.  Motherfocker has an opinion on everyone and everything to do with the game and is surprisingly silent on this whole thing.

Teams and players aren't allowed to discuss it.

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I batted .435 with 37 HR and 173 RBI when I played tee ball in the 7th grade. 

I won this thread. 

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32 minutes ago, drobeski said:

I batted .435 with 37 HR and 173 RBI when I played tee ball in the 7th grade. 

I won this thread. 

You were 20 at the time.  Shouldn't count.  Danny Almonte.

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33 minutes ago, drobeski said:

I batted .435 with 37 HR and 173 RBI when I played tee ball in the 7th grade. 

I won this thread. 

What did you shoot when you played Augusta? 

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Just now, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

You were 20 at the time.  Shouldn't count.  Danny Almonte.

Still counts

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MLB is going after managers. That is all well and good but without active participation from most of the starting lineup they would not have been able to accomplish this. Why are the players not being suspended? You can go back and look for the signs now that you know what you are looking for and see what players cheated. Why are they allowed to still play? 

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Just now, kilroy69 said:

MLB is going after managers. That is all well and good but without active participation from most of the starting lineup they would not have been able to accomplish this. Why are the players not being suspended? You can go back and look for the signs now that you know what you are looking for and see what players cheated. Why are they allowed to still play? 

I think it is because Manfred knows that he has a huge battle in the next few years with the MLBPA and the upcoming CBA...  By not suspending active players, it won't be a negative during the negotiations...

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9 minutes ago, posty said:

I think it is because Manfred knows that he has a huge battle in the next few years with the MLBPA and the upcoming CBA...  By not suspending active players, it won't be a negative during the negotiations...

That is like appeasing hitler. I mean you suspend them because they focking cheated. All of them. 

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