Coronavirus - Doomsday

[NorthernVike 2,080]

Meh

[Bill E. 666]

4 hours ago, Alias Detective said:

 

Curious if the logistics got worked out.

Not yet.  I ship overseas all the time and there are two issues.  When you ship something over two pounds it gets really expensive.   Theft is the other issue.  With USPS you can ship up to 2 pounds for around $20 but then they just turn it over to China's postal service.  Once that is done there is often no way to track it and certain items often never arrive.  I had a $1300 tooth just go missing in Italy and am fighting insurance on it now.    I do not know about the chances of shipping supplies or food into China right now.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

1 hour ago, Bill E. said:

Not yet.  I ship overseas all the time and there are two issues.  When you ship something over two pounds it gets really expensive.   Theft is the other issue.  With USPS you can ship up to 2 pounds for around $20 but then they just turn it over to China's postal service.  Once that is done there is often no way to track it and certain items often never arrive.  I had a $1300 tooth just go missing in Italy and am fighting insurance on it now.    I do not know about the chances of shipping supplies or food into China right now.

You should hand deliver it. 

[Bill E. 666]

45 minutes ago, NorthernVike said:

You should hand deliver it. 

I will look into that. 

[naomi 343]

8 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

It's not an understatement. Look at what you had to go through to get back home. Look at whats happening to Chinese cities. He1l look at what's happening to cruise ships if someone is even suspected of having it.

Y'all acting like this is just some normal flu. The world reaction to it proves it's much more than that. 

If it really starts to spread, yes the world is .

Taiwan had 20 confirmed cases when a 61 year old cab driver died from it. Even using China's widely regarded to be lower than reality numbers, it has a far more significant mortality rate than the seasonal flu.

It's good to not be overly alarmist about it, but yeah, there's a reason why the guy who heads up Johns Hopkins SPH is remarking that IF we are indeed one - two months behind the epi curve, cities will need to start figuring out "non pharm interventions" ie., how to contain people, just like China went through. That'll be interesting if we get to that as Americans don't take kindly to not being able to figure out their own best plan of action. I'm mostly concerned for my parents and pregnant SIL, but everyone should take it seriously if it can kick off a cytokine storm, which it sounds like it can. 

Incubates up to 24 days

Asymptomatic spread

Surface life up to 9 days

Week #2, especially mid week #2 of experiencing symptoms is when it's most serious.

Week #1 is mild for everyone.

 

[Baker Boy 1,484]

There are still zero cases on the continents of Africa and South America. 
 

ETA: and Antarctica 

[fandandy 3,311]

3 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

There are still zero cases on the continents of Africa and South America. 

Africa has one (Egypt).

[frank 2,144]

3 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

There are still zero cases on the continents of Africa and South America. 
 

ETA: and Antarctica 

Yeah, but it doubled in the last week. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

I'm not sure if this is a real threat to be an epidemic.  I'm pretty sure its a great excuse to get everyone in Hong Kong to stop marching and protesting and stay in their homes tho.

[taco breath 419]

i heard the virus target the weak and elderly.

that would make us prime targets.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,513]

didn't they find a vaccine already?  thought I just read that.

[Drizzay 645]

I am not normally tin foil hat guy, but it is kinda comical that the rumored bio-pharmicutical company in Wuhan province that supposedly created this has the same logo as Umbrella Corp from the Resident Evil franchise.

[Cdub100 3,380]

2 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

There are still zero cases on the continents of Africa and South America. 
 

ETA: and Antarctica 

China is making Africa their beotch and I think Africa will get hit hard but I've read the virus does not do well in warm/hot weather so that may help.

[Drizzay 645]

If none of the Chinese run precious metal mines in Africa get the virus, you know its man made.

Same for the big chinese mines in Mexico.

[Voltaire 4,556]

11 hours ago, Bill E. said:

Not yet.  I ship overseas all the time and there are two issues.  When you ship something over two pounds it gets really expensive.   Theft is the other issue.  With USPS you can ship up to 2 pounds for around $20 but then they just turn it over to China's postal service.  Once that is done there is often no way to track it and certain items often never arrive.  I had a $1300 tooth just go missing in Italy and am fighting insurance on it now.    I do not know about the chances of shipping supplies or food into China right now.

We're really not having any shortages of food or anything. The fruit shortage at the local grocery store is just a situation with them because their fruit delivery guy is in quarantine. I can get fruit from other sources. Bread too, there's a bakery about a fifteen minute walk away that has re-opened but I've not made a trek out there yet.

 Also, the four week food supply is for one person, we're six+one since my BiL was visiting when this happened and is still here too. So the four weeks is probably only about five days of food and if I buy more, the cost goes crazy.

[fandandy 3,311]

2 hours ago, Drizzay said:

I am not normally tin foil hat guy, but it is kinda comical that the rumored bio-pharmicutical company in Wuhan province that supposedly created this has the same logo as Umbrella Corp from the Resident Evil franchise.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO6IEXaVUAAYE6M.jpg

[MTSkiBum 1,594]

1/3 of China smokes, although I am suprised to see that 1/8 of the US smokes. China also has awful air quality in most of their major cities.

 

Quote

Huang added that some evidence indicates that it is easier for the new coronavirus to establish a foothold in the elderly, smokers, and sufferers of chronicle disease.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3877117

[MTSkiBum 1,594]

On 2/15/2020 at 12:15 PM, Cdub100 said:

infections continue to increase. I think we are at the tipping point right now. If it doesn't start to go down now the world is focked.

I am not quite there yet. 

 

There are still many scenarios where this is just a major issue and not a catastrophic issue.

 

Governments may recognize the threat and start cracking down on individuals that break quarantine. While this would not eliminate the disease it would slow the spread enough that a vaccine could be developed in time.

 

I just hope the CDC is on that Hawaii case.

[DonS 3,067]

1 hour ago, fandandy said:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO6IEXaVUAAYE6M.jpg

Wow.  Love that series of games. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,513]

Hey!   Open borders everyone!  Sounding better each time I hear it!

[Cdub100 3,380]

Tokyo Marathon to restrict entry to elite athletes due to coronavirus

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/02/d34c072a8b51-organizers-mulling-reduced-scale-tokyo-marathon-over-coronavirus-fears.html?fbclid=IwAR2CgRB2cyEYwroG_pAy3kbrQCQRSkV4WuJS2icJ_XZOzwJJeWRjmB0YaP0

[Bill E. 666]

7 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Tokyo Marathon to restrict entry to elite athletes due to coronavirus

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/02/d34c072a8b51-organizers-mulling-reduced-scale-tokyo-marathon-over-coronavirus-fears.html?fbclid=IwAR2CgRB2cyEYwroG_pAy3kbrQCQRSkV4WuJS2icJ_XZOzwJJeWRjmB0YaP0

So nobody from the Geek Club, just our wives.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

So ran to the grocery near the house this morning.

It is truly crazy. We have to sign in and out and get temp check at the gate. 

Again at the gate to the shopping center.

Again at the store entrance.

Again at the school gate.

Place is a ghost town. Has been for over a month now.

I can't help but think how something like this would go down back home, and I can't picture it. The economy here has got to be at the breaking point. 

[fandandy 3,311]

8 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

So ran to the grocery near the house this morning.

It is truly crazy. We have to sign in and out and get temp check at the gate. 

Again at the gate to the shopping center.

Again at the store entrance.

Again at the school gate.

Place is a ghost town. Has been for over a month now.

I can't help but think how something like this would go down back home, and I can't picture it. The economy here has got to be at the breaking point. 

We're focked if it gets here anything close to what is happening there.  Mix the Wuhan Corona Death virus with 400 million guns, an incompetent, divided government, and a half retarded populace.  It won't be pretty.  Imagine them trying to lock down entire cities here?  Yeah, right.  It will be like a war zone.

[MTSkiBum 1,594]

46 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

So ran to the grocery near the house this morning.

It is truly crazy. We have to sign in and out and get temp check at the gate. 

Again at the gate to the shopping center.

Again at the store entrance.

Again at the school gate.

Place is a ghost town. Has been for over a month now.

I can't help but think how something like this would go down back home, and I can't picture it. The economy here has got to be at the breaking point. 

 

What city are you located in?

 

As I have mentioned before I am in big oil, the worry is real at my company. Even if the corona virus is contained, the demand for oil is tanking. At this point the majority of my coworkers that I am close with are worried about massive layoffs.

 

Not to mention the very real fear of the virus in a city that is almost half asian.(3rd link) I understand why I am following this story more than the average geek, this is all many of my friends/coworkers talk about. Many have family members/parents in China. The prime age for this disease killing them.

 

On a separate note, I see these articles on yahoo and other places about china towns suffering major economic hardships right now(1st and 2nd link). Do you know who goes to China town on a normal day, the Chinese american. They are not facing racism, it is just the fears of asian american citizens who normally frequent these places.  They react to how the chinese government reacts.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sick-asian-americans-sneeze-brings-131005598.html

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/local-leaders-beg-customers-to-return-to-chinatown/285-a817124d-d143-49e7-8a52-dd88cd6125f7

 

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/sugarlandcitytexas

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,513]

33 minutes ago, fandandy said:

We're focked if it gets here anything close to what is happening there.  Mix the Wuhan Corona Death virus with 400 million guns, an incompetent, divided government, and a half retarded populace.  It won't be pretty.  Imagine them trying to lock down entire cities here?  Yeah, right.  It will be like a war zone.

What?  Now you're being a bit over-dramatic.  The US has a lot more resources, specialists, organizations, labs and grade A doctors than China.  If any country could handle it, it would be the US.

At the very least, we would be LESS f0cked than everyone else.

[fandandy 3,311]

10 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

What?  Now you're being a bit over-dramatic.  The US has a lot more resources, specialists, organizations, labs and grade A doctors than China.  If any country could handle it, it would be the US.

At the very least, we would be LESS f0cked than everyone else.

I disagree.  This country is incompetent, from our system of government, our fat, lazy, uneducated people, our lack of the necessary industry to combat and protect ourselves from this virus, the potential repercussions of a panicked, well-armed populace.  We'd be focked.  

Where are we going to get all the medicine if it really got ugly?  CHina's gonna send it here cuz last I checked we no longer make medicine.  Or how about the necessary PPE, gowns and masks and gloves etc, even just for medical staff.  You think we make any of that?  Ummm, no.  You think like a magic little USA is Number One fairy is going to put it under your pillow?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,513]

1 minute ago, fandandy said:

I disagree.  This country is incompetent, from our system of government, our fat, lazy, uneducated people, our lack of the necessary industry to combat and protect ourselves from this virus, the potential repercussions of a panicked, well-armed populace.  We'd be focked.  

Good people can disagree, but if the US can't do it then you better god-dang well believe no one else would be able to.  The world would be f0cked.

[fandandy 3,311]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Good people can disagree, but if the US can't do it then you better god-dang well believe no one else would be able to.  The world would be f0cked.

If anyone could do it it would be a country like China IMO.  They have the industry, the population which is obedient and unarmed, and the will to take drastic, necessary steps.  This country has none of that.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,513]

4 minutes ago, fandandy said:

If anyone could do it it would be a country like China IMO.  They have the industry, the population which is obedient and unarmed, and the will to take drastic, necessary steps.  This country has none of that.  

I have no idea how you managed to bring guns into this argument.  It has nothing to do with this at all. 

If China was the one to do it, they would have already done it.  Y'know, like that lab in San Diego that found a vaccine within 3 hours of getting a sample of the virus.  It's already in trials.

So, yeah, it's the US, not China that is better equipped.  I've absolutely DESTROYED your premise.  Bigly. 

[fandandy 3,311]

46 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I have no idea how you managed to bring guns into this argument.  It has nothing to do with this at all. 

If China was the one to do it, they would have already done it.  Y'know, like that lab in San Diego that found a vaccine within 3 hours of getting a sample of the virus.  It's already in trials.

So, yeah, it's the US, not China that is better equipped.  I've absolutely DESTROYED your premise.  Bigly. 

How do you not bring 400 million firearms into this conversation?  It's the elephant in the room.  I can guarantee you that when our government plans for scenarios such as a Pandemic one of the first things they would talk about would be guns.  Also, everything I have read has a possible vaccine being at least one year away. Thirdly, I've said in this thread too many times, but we don't produce any of the PPE here anymore.  It's Taiwan and China.  There will be massive shortages and panic if it gets a foothold and starts spreading here and people can't buy even so much as a mask.  And fourthly, the medicine hospitals would be using to combat this virus are most likely not produced here either.  I'm no expert but I'm assuming that these aren't industries and supply chains that we could create overnight to produce these things ourselves.   

Put your USA is No.1 foam finger down.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,513]

39 minutes ago, fandandy said:

How do you not bring 400 million firearms into this conversation?  It's the elephant in the room.  I can guarantee you that when our government plans for scenarios such as a Pandemic one of the first things they would talk about would be guns.  Also, everything I have read has a possible vaccine being at least one year away. Thirdly, I've said in this thread too many times, but we don't produce any of the PPE here anymore.  It's Taiwan and China.  There will be massive shortages and panic if it gets a foothold and starts spreading here and people can't buy even so much as a mask.  And fourthly, the medicine hospitals would be using to combat this virus are most likely not produced here either.  I'm no expert but I'm assuming that these aren't industries and supply chains that we could create overnight to produce these things ourselves.   

Put your USA is No.1 foam finger down.  

I can't put it down because it's currently sticking in your @ss I destroyed your argument so badly. 

You're getting a direct feed of USA chant.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

3 hours ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

What city are you located in?

 

As I have mentioned before I am in big oil, the worry is real at my company. Even if the corona virus is contained, the demand for oil is tanking. At this point the majority of my coworkers that I am close with are worried about massive layoffs.

 

Not to mention the very real fear of the virus in a city that is almost half asian.(3rd link) I understand why I am following this story more than the average geek, this is all many of my friends/coworkers talk about. Many have family members/parents in China. The prime age for this disease killing them.

 

On a separate note, I see these articles on yahoo and other places about china towns suffering major economic hardships right now(1st and 2nd link). Do you know who goes to China town on a normal day, the Chinese american. They are not facing racism, it is just the fears of asian american citizens who normally frequent these places.  They react to how the chinese government reacts.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sick-asian-americans-sneeze-brings-131005598.html

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/local-leaders-beg-customers-to-return-to-chinatown/285-a817124d-d143-49e7-8a52-dd88cd6125f7

 

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/sugarlandcitytexas

I'm in Shenzhen. We aren't hubei level focked, but it's bad. This city didn't exist 30 years ago. Most of the people here come from either hunan, which neighbors hubei, or hubei itself. Many of my coworkers and presumably students are locked down in Hubei. My boss hasn't left her house in Hubei in 20 days now.

Thats the part I can't see flying in America. If people were restricted to the point that they are here, it would be mass panic and craziness I think. Looting, hoarding, all kinds of craziness. 

[Voltaire 4,556]

5 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I have no idea how you managed to bring guns into this argument. 

We can argue whether the family deserves to be left alone or if the authorities are in the right doing this. I can understand both, surely you can too. That's not my point. My point is that if this family had firearms, this encounter could/would be going over very differently. Wuhan is a city the size of New York City, imagine doing this to a city the size of New York with over 1,000,000 families then add guns and racial diversity to the mix.

What this looks like to you is Chinese people doing it to Chinese people and thinking it's all the same. Yes, sort of, but no. In fact, these government staff are flooding in from all over China. So while they hold no more animosity in their hearts to Wuhan people than an Iowan or Texan would have for a New Yorker, and they truly want to help the people there, in the back of they're minds, what they are also trying to do is keep this disease contained to Wuhan rather than spreading to wherever it is that they're from.

[Old School 360]

Overnight update (from local TV, so hopefully I heard correctly)

73000 cases worldwide

18000 cases in China

1800 dead

98 died in China on Monday

Doctor of one of the main China hospitals just died

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, Old School said:

Overnight update (from local TV, so hopefully I heard correctly)

73000 cases worldwide

18000 cases in China

1800 dead

98 died in China on Monday

Doctor of one of the main China hospitals just died

CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years

By Associated Press

September 26, 2018

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

[fandandy 3,311]

3 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Wuhan is a city the size of New York City, imagine doing this to a city the size of New York with over 1,000,000 families then add guns and racial diversity to the mix.

Exactly my point.  What we are seeing currently in China from a docile, obedient, unarmed, and relatively racially pure populace is not what we will see here.  Period.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

1 hour ago, Utilit99 said:

CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years

By Associated Press

September 26, 2018

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

Here is the problem with that stat.  The mortality rate of the flu is less than 20 times than mortality rate of the coronavirus based on the limited info coming out of China and because detection methods are still being worked on.  The corona virus is also believed to be more easily spread to more people than influenza.  

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-does-the-new-coronavirus-compare-with-the-flu/

[Utilit99 4,099]

7 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Here is the problem with that stat.  The mortality rate of the flu is less than 20 times than mortality rate of the coronavirus based on the limited info coming out of China and because detection methods are still being worked on.  The corona virus is also believed to be more easily spread to more people than influenza.  

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-does-the-new-coronavirus-compare-with-the-flu/

Oh no. I'm not trying to make a point or anything as far as a comparison, as I have no clue, but, a lot more people die of the flu here in the US, and probably around the world, than most people would guess.

[Cdub100 3,380]

7 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Here is the problem with that stat.  The mortality rate of the flu is less than 20 times than mortality rate of the coronavirus based on the limited info coming out of China and because detection methods are still being worked on.  The corona virus is also believed to be more easily spread to more people than influenza.  

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-does-the-new-coronavirus-compare-with-the-flu/

Bingo!

That 80k number would be millions with a US infection.