Coronavirus - Doomsday

[jerryskids 5,204]

10 hours ago, MDC said:

Alyssa Milano.  

She is a conundrum to me.  On the one hand, in her prime, she was probably the celeb I found the hottest.  I think if you asked my wife who I would pick for my one “you can cheat with her for one night and not get in trouble” she would say Alyssa.  But... I also find personality to be part of the package; for instance I’ve seen Emma Stone in interviews and she always seems fun and spunky, which makes her more attractive to me.  The minute Alyssa opens her mouth I want to club a baby seal with a puppy.  So...

[DonS 3,067]

17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

She is a conundrum to me.  On the one hand, in her prime, she was probably the celeb I found the hottest.  I think if you asked my wife who I would pick for my one “you can cheat with her for one night and not get in trouble” she would say Alyssa.  But... I also find personality to be part of the package; for instance I’ve seen Emma Stone in interviews and she always seems fun and spunky, which makes her more attractive to me.  The minute Alyssa opens her mouth I want to club a baby seal with a puppy.  So...

Silver lining of a Harris/Biden administration:

Alyssa Milano finally shuts the fock up and goes back to showing her t1ts for money.

 

[lickin_starfish 1,480]

https://media.thedonald.win/post/jl9S3zxY.jpeg

[Reality 2,710]

I present to you, Twitter.

[Fireballer 2,381]

Twitter thread from POS hypocrite Denver mayor

 

[jerryskids 5,204]

On 11/25/2020 at 8:22 AM, DonS said:

Silver lining of a Harris/Biden administration:

Alyssa Milano finally shuts the fock up and goes back to showing her t1ts for money.

 

Alyssa Milano Extends An Olive Branch To Trump Supporters – It Doesn’t Go Well.

What was she thinking? Hollywood actress/activist Alyssa Milano decided to extend an olive branch to Trump supporters with a call for unity. The responses to her tweet produced exactly the reactions you would assume it would. Sorry, Alyssa, America isn’t ready to just move on.

This is just all so absurd, of course, but to a liberal bubble dweller, she is offering a magnanimous gesture. She’s ready to move on, you see, and she wants everyone to come together and sing kumbaya, or something.

https://hotair.com/archives/karen-townsend/2020/11/25/alyssa-milano-extends-olive-branch-trump-supporters-doesnt-go-well/

[Fireballer 2,381]

I've made this assumption for a long time.  Covid is quite contagious, but not near as dangerous as advertised.

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-updates-joe-biden-urges-090004085.html

[Utilit99 4,099]

10 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Alyssa Milano Extends An Olive Branch To Trump Supporters – It Doesn’t Go Well.

What was she thinking? Hollywood actress/activist Alyssa Milano decided to extend an olive branch to Trump supporters with a call for unity. The responses to her tweet produced exactly the reactions you would assume it would. Sorry, Alyssa, America isn’t ready to just move on.

This is just all so absurd, of course, but to a liberal bubble dweller, she is offering a magnanimous gesture. She’s ready to move on, you see, and she wants everyone to come together and sing kumbaya, or something.

https://hotair.com/archives/karen-townsend/2020/11/25/alyssa-milano-extends-olive-branch-trump-supporters-doesnt-go-well/

I read a bunch of the replies and they all cut down Trump supporters and basically want us all to be thrown in prison. It's just another day of full blown TDS from the left twitterverse.

 

[Cdub100 3,380]

Turns out even with the most deadly virus known to man. Deaths have remained constant this year compared to previous years.

[Reality 2,710]

Covid simply isn't that serious, a now removed Johns Hopkins article. You know, science and stuff..

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

According to new data, the U.S. currently ranks first in total COVID-19 cases, new cases per day and deaths. Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in her webinar titled “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data.”

From mid-March to mid-September, U.S. total deaths have reached 1.7 million, of which 200,000, or 12% of total deaths, are COVID-19-related. Instead of looking directly at COVID-19 deaths, Briand focused on total deaths per age group and per cause of death in the U.S. and used this information to shed light on the effects of COVID-19.

She explained that the significance of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths can be fully understood only through comparison to the number of total deaths in the United States. 

After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September, which includes the period from before COVID-19 was detected in the U.S. to after infection rates soared. 

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same. 

“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said.

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths. 

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.

This comes as a shock to many people. How is it that the data lie so far from our perception? 

To answer that question, Briand shifted her focus to the deaths per causes ranging from 2014 to 2020. There is a sudden increase in deaths in 2020 due to COVID-19. This is no surprise because COVID-19 emerged in the U.S. in early 2020, and thus COVID-19-related deaths increased drastically afterward.

Analysis of deaths per cause in 2018 revealed that the pattern of seasonal increase in the total number of deaths is a result of the rise in deaths by all causes, with the top three being heart disease, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia.

“This is true every year. Every year in the U.S. when we observe the seasonal ups and downs, we have an increase of deaths due to all causes,” Briand pointed out.

When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes. 

[nobody 2,038]

1 hour ago, Reality said:

Covid simply isn't that serious, a now removed Johns Hopkins article. You know, science and stuff..

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

According to new data, the U.S. currently ranks first in total COVID-19 cases, new cases per day and deaths. Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in her webinar titled “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data.”

From mid-March to mid-September, U.S. total deaths have reached 1.7 million, of which 200,000, or 12% of total deaths, are COVID-19-related. Instead of looking directly at COVID-19 deaths, Briand focused on total deaths per age group and per cause of death in the U.S. and used this information to shed light on the effects of COVID-19.

She explained that the significance of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths can be fully understood only through comparison to the number of total deaths in the United States. 

After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September, which includes the period from before COVID-19 was detected in the U.S. to after infection rates soared. 

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same. 

“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said.

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths. 

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.

This comes as a shock to many people. How is it that the data lie so far from our perception? 

To answer that question, Briand shifted her focus to the deaths per causes ranging from 2014 to 2020. There is a sudden increase in deaths in 2020 due to COVID-19. This is no surprise because COVID-19 emerged in the U.S. in early 2020, and thus COVID-19-related deaths increased drastically afterward.

Analysis of deaths per cause in 2018 revealed that the pattern of seasonal increase in the total number of deaths is a result of the rise in deaths by all causes, with the top three being heart disease, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia.

“This is true every year. Every year in the U.S. when we observe the seasonal ups and downs, we have an increase of deaths due to all causes,” Briand pointed out.

When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes. 

That's interesting if true.  Everything I've seen has shown that deaths in the US has risen by approximately the same amount of Covid deaths.

Unfortunately the data is presented in such a convoluted way and the charts are essentially unreadable, so it's hard to draw conclusions from it.

[TimHauck 1,799]

11 minutes ago, nobody said:

That's interesting if true.  Everything I've seen has shown that deaths in the US has risen by approximately the same amount of Covid deaths.

Unfortunately the data is presented in such a convoluted way and the charts are essentially unreadable, so it's hard to draw conclusions from it.

This

[TimmySmith 2,782]

47 minutes ago, nobody said:

That's interesting if true.  Everything I've seen has shown that deaths in the US has risen by approximately the same amount of Covid deaths.

Unfortunately the data is presented in such a convoluted way and the charts are essentially unreadable, so it's hard to draw conclusions from it.

You should inform Johns Hopkins that you can't make conclusions of their report based on the graphs on a web page.  I am sure they are dying for your input. 

[Cdub100 3,380]

2 hours ago, Reality said:

However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes. 

Covid is deadly people don't die from anything else.

[TimHauck 1,799]

Apparently that article was retracted

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

[TimHauck 1,799]

Here is the webinar though -

 

[DexterM1776 79]

Yall still alive?

[nobody 2,038]

2 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

You should inform Johns Hopkins that you can't make conclusions of their report based on the graphs on a web page.  I am sure they are dying for your input. 

It was by students and it got pulled.

[TimHauck 1,799]

17 minutes ago, nobody said:

It was by students and it got pulled.

I think the article was by students, the webinar was by the assistant director for the Master’s in Applied Economics program

[Utilit99 4,099]

[drobeski 3,061]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

It was by students and it got pulled.

Why ? Was it inaccurate?

[nobody 2,038]

That's what I'm trying to figure out.  I would absolutely love to have some good easy to digest evidence showing Covid is bullshìt, but I'm not going to make that argument unless it's tight.  Unfortunately, I can't do that with this article because it's convoluted and you can't even read the graphs.

[wiffleball 4,640]

The death toll of Americans under the age of 40 from COVID-19 — 3,571 — has now surpassed the total death toll from the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

 

 at present, the highest number of COVID-19 cases is in the 18- to 29-year-old age group.

[drobeski 3,061]

30 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

The death toll of Americans under the age of 40 from COVID-19 — 3,571 — has now surpassed the total death toll from the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

 

 at present, the highest number of COVID-19 cases is in the 18- to 29-year-old age group.

Sure it has. 

[lickin_starfish 1,480]

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[Reality 2,710]

2 hours ago, wiffleball said:

The death toll of Americans under the age of 40 from COVID-19 — 3,571 — has now surpassed the total death toll from the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

 

 at present, the highest number of COVID-19 cases is in the 18- to 29-year-old age group.

Pretty much in line with the normal flu each year. Further proving how serious Corona really isn't. Good info, thanks for sharing.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1127698/influenza-us-deaths-by-age-group/

[TimHauck 1,799]

21 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Here is the webinar though -

 

OK so I just watched this.  FYI most of the presentation is in the first 40 minutes, the rest is Q&A.   I don't have a PhD but part of my job involves data analysis.   It was a little difficult to understand her accent but some comments (and for these I am assuming her data is accurate):

At around 20 minutes, she starts showing a chart of total weekly deaths since 2014.  This chart clearly shows a spike in total deaths in 2020 that is higher than any of the prior years (and lasts for several weeks, and even the peak of the "second wave" was higher than most of the highest points in other years).  At one point she compares the peak in April 2020 to that in the winter of 2017/2018, which is misleading on multiple fronts.   For one, she is comparing to the highest peak of any of the prior 5 years, and she also fails to mention that if you follow the trends that the chart shows, in every other year the weekly deaths rose in winter and then fall in spring & summer.   However in 2020, they rose when they should have declined if they had followed the same trends as the past 5 years (someone even basically asked this question at about 59 minutes, and her answer was pretty much that she didn't know).

At around 29 minutes she even highlights this peak, and it seems that part of her argument is that she doesn't think covid deaths should be higher than heart disease deaths because "heart disease is the #1 cause of death!"   However, looking at the chart, the heart disease trendline does not seem out of whack with what it was in previous years.   In fact, there is even a spike in heart disease deaths during the same spike in covid deaths!    I believe this is where she is taking the data from the table which was included in the article (around 34 minutes in the video) when she says "heart diseases weekly deaths declined by 1,000+!"   However, the table even shows that WE 4/11 heart disease deaths rose by 824.   So if they then fell by 1,190 the next week, they're really just coming down from the prior spike, again at a time when historically they decline anyway.   (Not to mention making conclusions from 3 weeks of data is not usually a good idea to say the least)

At around 30 minutes, she removes the "all cause" and covid lines from the original chart and zooms in.  This magnifies what I just pointed out in terms of the heart disease spike.   But again she compares the April 2020 spike to the highest peak of the past 5 years (winter 2017/2018).  In the 2020 data, there appears to be a very slight dip in cancer ("malignant neoplasms") deaths, so maybe there were a couple cancer deaths that were either sped up by covid or misclassified.     However this chart also shows a dramatic rise in flu/pneumonia deaths in the late summer, again contrary to prior years.   In fact the last data point for flu/pneumonia deaths (well it's either that or "unclassified," the color is almost identical for both) of late September appears to be higher than any point of the last 5 years.

Bottom line, I don't think the data that she showed support some of the conclusions that she made, most notably that "covid-19 did not cause any excess deaths'

[wiffleball 4,640]

Tim, knowing this board, I just wanted to thank you for spending the time and trouble. You should know that most here won't read past the first nine words without straining a brain muscle.

But I appreciate the effort and thought that went into your post.

 

" facts? We don't need facts! We have opinions!"

[TimHauck 1,799]

26 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Tim, knowing this board, I just wanted to thank you for spending the time and trouble. You should know that most here won't read past the first nine words without straining a brain muscle.

But I appreciate the effort and thought that went into your post.

 

" facts? We don't need facts! We have opinions!"

Haha thanks.  I care about this stuff (although honestly I don't care about politics all that much), just not enough to post about them anywhere other than sports message boards that I already visit.   Oddly enough someone also posted this same article on a different sports message board that I frequent with a covid thread, so figured it was worth looking into.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,640]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Haha thanks.  I care about this stuff (although honestly I don't care about politics all that much), just not enough to post about them anywhere other than sports message boards that I already visit.   Oddly enough someone also posted this same article on a different sports message board that I frequent with a covid thread, so figured it was worth looking into.

This guy......

[wiffleball 4,640]

Just saw a headline. Latest numbers are that one American dies every 45 seconds of covid.

 

I mean, even if they're wildly overstating it and it's a third of that, that's still pretty damn scary.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,640]

13 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Just saw a headline. Latest numbers are that one American dies every 45 seconds of covid.

 

I mean, even if they're wildly overstating it and it's a third of that, that's still pretty damn scary.

Everytime someone Dies from Covid a socialist gets their wings. 

[drobeski 3,061]

In other words...

no guys, really covid is wicked serious, the stealing of the election through mail in voting is seriously guys wicked legit... look how bad covid is. We had to do mail in voting. Without it billions die because of Trump! You can't even cheat with mail in anyways only a racist Neanderthal would think you can. 

Trump did this... guys, really he did. 

Mail in voting saved countless of lives. Plus Trump used a small desk! 

[TimHauck 1,799]

From a covid critic even - 

 

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

From a covid critic even - 

 

 

Oh...well then...there you have it. I mean, if you can't believe a former New York Times reporter then who can you believe?   

[Reality 2,710]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

From a covid critic even - 

 

 

 

[TimHauck 1,799]

14 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Oh...well then...there you have it. I mean, if you can't believe a former New York Times reporter then who can you believe?   

 

This guy does a decent job explaining, but I guess you’ll just write him off because he only has 7 twitter followers. 

He was more annoyed by Briand’s use of %’s than I was, but that was yet another error she made (she looked at deaths by age as a %, claiming she didn’t “see a change.”   There was one btw, but it is minimized because it’s  looking at deaths as a % but the total number increased...yes mostly in ages 50+). 

Did you watch the video?  The evidence of excess deaths are in there, she just makes her own conclusions.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,640]

18 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Oh...well then...there you have it. I mean, if you can't believe a former New York Times reporter then who can you believe?   

He’s legit. He’s a former reporter for them for a reason.  

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

This guy does a decent job explaining, but I guess you’ll just write him off because he only has 7 twitter followers. 

He was more annoyed by Briand’s use of %’s than I was, but that was yet another error she made (she looked at deaths by age as a %, claiming she didn’t “see a change.”   There was one btw, but it is minimized because it’s  looking at deaths as a % but the total number increased...yes mostly in ages 50+). 

Did you watch the video?  The evidence of excess deaths are in there, she just makes her own conclusions.

I don't use twitter and don't give anyone credit if they do or not. Only time I ever see twitter posts is when I click on one here.

[Utilit99 4,099]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He’s legit. He’s a former reporter for them for a reason.  

Kolchak is the only reporter I trust.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/kolchak_the_night_stalker