Derek Jeter rookie card

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34 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

i would think hobby shops have more incentive to get good at resealing/repacking than larger retail places just because the sale of sports cards in large retail stores is such a minor portion of their business. 

They have too much to lose to do that. One disgruntled employee or person to catch on and the shop is toast. If you are a shop can caught searching your done. 

 

With that said I have no doubt some weigh boxes

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1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

i would think hobby shops have more incentive to get good at resealing/repacking than larger retail places just because the sale of sports cards in large retail stores is such a minor portion of their business. 

What's disgusting is take for example magic. Every box usually has 2 super good cards.

Hobby shops will open packs until they hit those two cards and sell the rest as loose packs.

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38 minutes ago, bandrus1 said:

They have too much to lose to do that. One disgruntled employee or person to catch on and the shop is toast. If you are a shop can caught searching your done. 

 

With that said I have no doubt some weigh boxes

I would think most hobby shops keep things on the level,  but there’s gotta be some out there trying to cheat the system. 
 

Hobby boxes are supposed to have better odds of getting a hit so their customers expect to score once in awhile.  If they don’t, they wouldn’t come back.  

It’s crazy that there’s no official oversight for this stuff.  I expect the govt to stick their nose in it if the mania continues much longer.  
 

It’s basically just gambling.   And there are thousands of breakers and card shops out there that essentially function like casinos.   
 

FB has hundreds of groups where individuals are holding razzes, stacks, auctions, and other gambling games for cards and memorabilia.   All this goes on 24/7.  

 

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2 hours ago, bandrus1 said:

They have too much to lose to do that. One disgruntled employee or person to catch on and the shop is toast. If you are a shop can caught searching your done. 

 

With that said I have no doubt some weigh boxes

I’m envisioning a single owned small sports card and memorabilia shop. I can think of at least 3 near my home and my office. No employees just the owner. People are there specifically to buy packs or Special loose cards in cases and i have no doubt they are pulling out the premium cards and selling them on eBay... then probably selling the good but not amazing cards as loose and then selling the remaining garbage packs. 
 

if a place has employees I can see them not taking the risk

i still not see why a big retail chain would even bother. Card sections at target or Walmart are literally a 10th of an aisle. I’d be shocked if they sold a pack of cards per day. Who or where in the supply chain would retailer bother searching for cards and resealing packs and boxes?

this is where I agree it’s more likely happening by drivers etc. 

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13 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I’m envisioning a single owned small sports card and memorabilia shop. I can think of at least 3 near my home and my office. No employees just the owner. People are there specifically to buy packs or Special loose cards in cases and i have no doubt they are pulling out the premium cards and selling them on eBay... then probably selling the good but not amazing cards as loose and then selling the remaining garbage packs. 
 

if a place has employees I can see them not taking the risk

i still not see why a big retail chain would even bother. Card sections at target or Walmart are literally a 10th of an aisle. I’d be shocked if they sold a pack of cards per day. Who or where in the hooky chain would retailer bother searching for cards and resealing packs and boxes?

this is where I agree it’s more likely happening by drivers etc. 

I think u would be surprised..... When the big products like Bowman, Bowman chrome, Topps update come out Target and Walmart can not keep the in stock

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11 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I’m envisioning a single owned small sports card and memorabilia shop. I can think of at least 3 near my home and my office. No employees just the owner. People are ominous there specifically to buy packs or Special loose cards in cases and i have no doubt they are pulling out the premium cards and selling them on eBay... then probably selling the good but not amazing cards as loose and then selling the remaining garbage packs. 
 

if a place has employees I can see them not taking the risk

i still not see why a big retail chain would even bother. Card sections at target or Walmart are literally a 10th of an aisle. I’d be shocked if they sold a pack of cards per day. Who or where in the hooky chain would retailer bother searching for cards and resealing packs and boxes?

this is where I agree it’s more likely happening by drivers etc. 

It will differ by region but the Walmarts and Targets around here sells tons of cards, especially when there's a hot new release.  I have yet to see any Prizm basketball in the local Wal Mart because they sell out as soon as they hit the shelves.  I also suspect someone at the store is buying them or setting them aside for a friend to buy.  

To further muddy the waters, Topps recently held a modified dutch auction for one of their first off the line sets.  Panini also has sold direct to consumer via their website using an auction format for their first off the line basketball cards. 

Everyone is trying to figure out a way to get a bigger piece of the action. 

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3 minutes ago, bandrus1 said:

I think u would be surprised..... When the big products like Bowman, Bowman chrome, Topps update come out Target and Walmart can not keep the in stock

I guess. To be fair all I really know is that anytime I’ve been in a target or Walmart I usually pass by their sad little card spot (most of which is Pokémon or one thing cards more so than sports). No one is looking at them and the sports brands are not the ones I’ve heard or read as the ones that put our desired cards that can be flipped after a rookie breaks out. 
 

once or twice I fondled some packs using some of the advice I saw online for feeling a special card in a single pack

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7 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

It will differ by region but the Walmarts and Targets around here sells tons of cards, especially when there's a hot new release.  I have yet to see any Prizm basketball in the local Wal Mart because they sell out as soon as they hit the shelves.  I also suspect someone at the store is buying them or setting them aside for a friend to buy.  

To further muddy the waters, Topps recently held a modified dutch auction for one of their first off the line sets.  Panini also has sold direct to consumer via their website using an auction format for their first off the line basketball cards. 

Everyone is trying to figure out a way to get a bigger piece of the action. 

Prizm is panini correct?

so if I were interested in looking for special auto rookie nba cards, what brand or pack version should I buy?

Since my intent would be to flip for a profit I feel like the best bet is to buy on eBay. Get the exact card you want rather than blowing money hunting packs, and play it like a stock. For example had I purchased a Michael Porter Jr rookie auto last year and hold it for a few more because he’s a talented mofo on a good team

[WhiteWonder 2,171]

Okay. You guys with card experience give me some advice here. 
 

let’s say I still want to invest in a Michael Porter Auto RC. Maybe I’m willing to pay up to $300 on eBay as I feel I can sell it in a few years for a lot more. 
 

what should I look to buy? There are so many types of cards out there. Panini Prizm silver, Prizm gold, National Treasures, sensational, Revolution.....

seems like I would want to buy an already PSA graded card right?

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One of the cooler things that card companies are doing is putting out limited numbers of autographed cards from retired hall of fame players.  This allows certain players to again have valuable cards on the market.  

I have over 100 Nolan Ryan cards from the junk wax era that might fetch  a nickel a piece on a good day.  Same for all the greatest players from that era.  Ripken, Gwynn, Griffey Jr., Bonds, etc.  Nobody's ever gonna buy any of those unless I stumble across a fanatic and happen to have a card that he doesn't.  

But the 2019 #4/5 Topps Nolan Ryan autographed card I just bought is a $300 card.  

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33 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Prizm is panini correct?

so if I were interested in looking for special auto rookie nba cards, what brand or pack version should I buy?

Since my intent would be to flip for a profit I feel like the best bet is to buy on eBay. Get the exact card you want rather than blowing money hunting packs, and play it like a stock. For example had I purchased a Michael Porter Jr rookie auto last year and hold it for a few more because he’s a talented mofo on a good team

Yes.  Panini makes Prizm basketball and football.  This year's Prizm basketball rookies are the hottest thing to hit the market in awhile.  If your Walmart has 2019 Prizm basketball currently on the shelf, go buy all the boxes and packs then sell them unopened for a profit on ebay today.  I'm not kidding.  

Last year's Luka Doncic and Trae Young Prizm rookies are also hot.  

And yes, you are correct.  If buying cards for investment, buy the card you want as a single.  A PSA 10 would be the best investment, but raw cards can also be valuable.  

Another way to go is to buy the whole set.  Then you get all the base rookies for that year, and you may even get a few that could be good enough to grade.  

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29 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Okay. You guys with card experience give me some advice here. 
 

let’s say I still want to invest in a Michael Porter Auto RC. Maybe I’m willing to pay up to $300 on eBay as I feel I can sell it in a few years for a lot more. 
 

what should I look to buy? There are so many types of cards out there. Panini Prizm silver, Prizm gold, National Treasures, sensational, Revolution.....

seems like I would want to buy an already PSA graded card right?

Start here, and stay here. 

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=michael+porter+jr+rookie+auto&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1

Make sure you're always looking at SOLD items to find comps.  Forget Beckett or any other price guides.  Ebay sold items is the most widely accepted means to find true, up to date card prices. 

Find the card you want, get the comps then unclick sold and search for that card.  

 

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28 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Start here, and stay here. 

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=michael+porter+jr+rookie+auto&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1

Make sure you're always looking at SOLD items to find comps.  Forget Beckett or any other price guides.  Ebay sold items is the most widely accepted means to find true, up to date card prices. 

Find the card you want, get the comps then unclick sold and search for that card.  

 

Thanks. I had most of this assumed. When I have browsed in the past on other players but never pulled the trigger, all of my “research” was being done by past sold listings. 
 

my bigger questions are not how to determine the price I should pay but rather which version of a panini auto rookie card is more desired? Or does that not matter and they should all rise in a similar manner in terms of percentage increase? And again, should I only be looking at already graded cards? I would assume yes because why not skip that step while also eliminating the possibility that you purchase a card that gets graded 8 instead of 9 or 9.5

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Don't buy panini baseball

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5 minutes ago, bandrus1 said:

Don't buy panini baseball

I’m really only interested in basketball from an investment standpoint

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45 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Thanks. I had most of this assumed. When I have browsed in the past on other players but never pulled the trigger, all of my “research” was being done by past sold listings. 
 

my bigger questions are not how to determine the price I should pay but rather which version of a panini auto rookie card is more desired? Or does that not matter and they should all rise in a similar manner in terms of percentage increase? And again, should I only be looking at already graded cards? I would assume yes because why not skip that step while also eliminating the possibility that you purchase a card that gets graded 8 instead of 9 or 9.5

Your offer should be based on recent sold history, but everything is negotiable.  You might even catch someone who's a really motivated seller, so take a shot and make an offer.  They can either say no or counter.  I buy a lot of cards from people on the FB groups because I can usually get stuff for a little less than what they go for on ebay, due to the fees.  But, if you do use FB, use paypal goods and services only.  Never pay anyone you don't know using friends and family.  If it's someone I've never dealt with, I ask other to vouch for them. 

Not all cards are created equal.  The market is driven by hype, demand and scarcity.  Basketball seems to be the most hype driven of the 3 sports.  Start with the player's first official, licensed Optic, Contender and Prizm rookie cards.  Look for a PSA 10 versions of those cards and see what's most valuable.   Don't buy the draft stuff or anything with the player in a college uniform.  That stuff becomes near worthless once the NBA stuff comes out. 

Colored parallels of that same card will be even more expensive.  

I'm not an expert on grading.  There are folks who only deal in graded cards, some who only deal in raw, and everything in between.  Sometimes you'll get a good deal on a card that if graded, would really increase it's value.  In those cases, it's probably worth it.  I have about 50 cards now that I wanna get graded.  There are people who do mass submissions that you can use so you get a better price per card.  I'll probably go that route.  

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23 hours ago, vuduchile said:

I would think most hobby shops keep things on the level,  but there’s gotta be some out there trying to cheat the system. 
 

Hobby boxes are supposed to have better odds of getting a hit so their customers expect to score once in awhile.  If they don’t, they wouldn’t come back.  

It’s crazy that there’s no official oversight for this stuff.  I expect the govt to stick their nose in it if the mania continues much longer.  
 

It’s basically just gambling.   And there are thousands of breakers and card shops out there that essentially function like casinos.   
 

FB has hundreds of groups where individuals are holding razzes, stacks, auctions, and other gambling games for cards and memorabilia.   All this goes on 24/7.  

 

Well, that didn’t take long.  I just saw this on one of the FB groups tonight.   Several of the groups are scrambling to change their names now https://wjactv.com/news/local/2-cambria-county-women-charged-for-operating-facebook-gambling-group-troopers?fbclid=IwAR3OsVEb7cr51xzF0tz_MhQ8g6c2r5nybCj-ppxlfhoGrf4bEeaEhMYLuCg

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20 hours ago, vuduchile said:

Your offer should be based on recent sold history, but everything is negotiable.  You might even catch someone who's a really motivated seller, so take a shot and make an offer.  They can either say no or counter.  I buy a lot of cards from people on the FB groups because I can usually get stuff for a little less than what they go for on ebay, due to the fees.  But, if you do use FB, use paypal goods and services only.  Never pay anyone you don't know using friends and family.  If it's someone I've never dealt with, I ask other to vouch for them. 

Not all cards are created equal.  The market is driven by hype, demand and scarcity.  Basketball seems to be the most hype driven of the 3 sports.  Start with the player's first official, licensed Optic, Contender and Prizm rookie cards.  Look for a PSA 10 versions of those cards and see what's most valuable.   Don't buy the draft stuff or anything with the player in a college uniform.  That stuff becomes near worthless once the NBA stuff comes out. 

Colored parallels of that same card will be even more expensive.  

I'm not an expert on grading.  There are folks who only deal in graded cards, some who only deal in raw, and everything in between.  Sometimes you'll get a good deal on a card that if graded, would really increase it's value.  In those cases, it's probably worth it.  I have about 50 cards now that I wanna get graded.  There are people who do mass submissions that you can use so you get a better price per card.  I'll probably go that route.  

Thanks again for all the info. I’m pretty comfortable that I’ve got it all down but the different card types is still confusing me a little. 
 

I do know not to go after cards with players in the college uni. 
 

just to clarify.... “first official, licensed optic, contender and Prizm are all different cards correct? That’s not just one really long designation of one specific card?

i think I know the answer just want to make sure since the specific cards I should be looking for seems like the biggest thing holding me back from pulling the trigger. 
 

eample: if Michael porter jr blows up, am I going to wish I had a Prizm instead of first official? Or should they all go up accordingly?

think I’ll get my feet wet soon. I’m still a little leery of buying an Ungraded cars but I guess worst case I can sell it as ungraded and it should increase in value anyway 

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11 hours ago, vuduchile said:

Well, that didn’t take long.  I just saw this on one of the FB groups tonight.   Several of the groups are scrambling to change their names now https://wjactv.com/news/local/2-cambria-county-women-charged-for-operating-facebook-gambling-group-troopers?fbclid=IwAR3OsVEb7cr51xzF0tz_MhQ8g6c2r5nybCj-ppxlfhoGrf4bEeaEhMYLuCg

This is so dumb.

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2 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

This is so dumb.

Speaking of dumb.

Maybe 90’sbaby can shed some light on why Panini’s new blockchain cards could be the next big thing   

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/panini-america-becomes-first-to-launch-collection-of-officially-licensed-trading-cards-featuring-blockchain-technology-300977851.html

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3 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

Thanks again for all the info. I’m pretty comfortable that I’ve got it all down but the different card types is still confusing me a little. 
 

I do know not to go after cards with players in the college uni. 
 

just to clarify.... “first official, licensed optic, contender and Prizm are all different cards correct? That’s not just one really long designation of one specific card?

i think I know the answer just want to make sure since the specific cards I should be looking for seems like the biggest thing holding me back from pulling the trigger. 
 

eample: if Michael porter jr blows up, am I going to wish I had a Prizm instead of first official? Or should they all go up accordingly?

think I’ll get my feet wet soon. I’m still a little leery of buying an Ungraded cars but I guess worst case I can sell it as ungraded and it should increase in value anyway 

Yes, optic, contender and prizm are all different sets. 
 

The best thing you can do is look at all the recently sold eBay listings for MP Jr.  That will tell you which of his cards are most valuable.   

All cards will appreciate as the player ascends, but whichever is the most valuable now will likely maintain that status.  But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t buy others. 
 

I’m invested in Zion for example.  His Panini Prizm base is selling for around $90 raw while his NBA Hoops base can be bought for $2.00-$3.00 raw. 
 

I have 10 Prizms and 30 of the NBA Hoops.  

If the prizm grades PSA 10, it’s a $400 card  

If the Hoops cards grade a PSA 10,  it’s a $130 card.  
 

$2 for the card plus $12 to grade it is just a $14 investment that turns into $130.  Multiply that by 10-15 of the 30 that are candidates for a PSA 10 and that’s not a bad score   

 

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My favorite panini story is this past year they releases a 1/1 Griffey game used cleat card with an under armor cleat on it hahahah

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7 hours ago, vuduchile said:

Yes, optic, contender and prizm are all different sets. 
 

The best thing you can do is look at all the recently sold eBay listings for MP Jr.  That will tell you which of his cards are most valuable.   

All cards will appreciate as the player ascends, but whichever is the most valuable now will likely maintain that status.  But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t buy others. 
 

I’m invested in Zion for example.  His Panini Prizm base is selling for around $90 raw while his NBA Hoops base can be bought for $2.00-$3.00 raw. 
 

I have 10 Prizms and 30 of the NBA Hoops.  

If the prizm grades PSA 10, it’s a $400 card  

If the Hoops cards grade a PSA 10,  it’s a $130 card.  
 

$2 for the card plus $12 to grade it is just a $14 investment that turns into $130.  Multiply that by 10-15 of the 30 that are candidates for a PSA 10 and that’s not a bad score   

 

 

is optic.. donruss?

 

your zion cards are just base RC, no auto?

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2 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

is optic.. donruss?

 

your zion cards are just base RC, no auto?

Yes.  Donruss makes Optic. The Optic Holograms have been surging in value.  They have a lot of good color stuff, so don’t look past them.  
 

Correct on the Zion cards.  I only have base RC’s, a silver and a couple of photo variations  

His autos and color parallels are crazy expensive right now.  I prefer not to have thousands at risk in any one player, but this kid is something else.   I watched him a lot in March madness last year and he was a man among boys. 
 

I bought all these Zion’s when he was injured and sellers were nervous that he would be another Greg Oden.  

I actually have some pretty nice MP Jr colors I’ve acquired buying lots lately.   No autos though.