posty 2,296 Posted January 23, 2020 So to the people that think Eli belong in the Hall of Fame, do you all think Philip Rivers should be in the Hall of Fame? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: no, it means when you compare it to a guy like Brady, who doesnt put his team in a whole more often, it makes the argument stupid Brady has more comebacks and game winning drives than Eli lol oof Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Reality said: It's not, there's a few nerds that root for losers who thinks he isn't. Most people know he's easily in. I know hes easily in, my argument is that he shouldn't be, and quite frankly, after Brady, Brees, Peyton and Rodgers, no QB in this century should be Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, posty said: So to the people that think Eli belong in the Hall of Fame, do you all think Philip Rivers should be in the Hall of Fame? If he had two rings yeah or even one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said: If he had two rings yeah it even one So since he doesn't have a ring, he shouldn't get in... Is that what you are saying?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, iam90sbaby said: Brady has more comebacks and game winning drives than Eli lol oof and twice as many wins, so what? It shows its a pointless stat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 Eli's record wouldve been 80-154 without those game winning drives, but sure they are meaningless lololol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted January 23, 2020 Eli has the record for most fourth quarter td’s in a season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm this stat shows nothing but longevity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: Eli has the record for most fourth quarter td’s in a season he also lead the league in INTS that year, correlation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, posty said: So since he doesn't have a ring, he shouldn't get in... Yep, just another high stats QB that never won crap, there's plenty of them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm this stat shows nothing but longevity Longevity is bad now? When you trade up to get a guy you’re praying for longevity. How’s Nate Kaeding doing? What was his longevity? Shawn Merriman? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: he also lead the league in INTS that year, correlation? Maybe in some of the games. I’m sure it was a factor. Says here he didn’t crumble. Picked his ass up and got it done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: Longevity is bad now? When you trade up to get a guy you’re praying for longevity. How’s Nate Kaeding doing? What was his longevity? Shawn Merriman? longevity is a great thing, statistics based solely on them isnt by the argument that Eli's 27 comeback wins is great, well then Rivers 27 comebacks is even greater, cause he did it in 2 less seasons Stafford and Ryan have the most/yr of any top 15 guy, all these guys are in the same group Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Maybe in some of the games. I’m sure it was a factor. Says here he didn’t crumble. Picked his ass up and got it done. yep and willed his team to 9-7 whoopie he also had 24 ints in those wins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 Also, if Dan Marino started playing in 2000-2005ish his career wouldn't of been good enough for HOF. Back then when there were only what 15 different QBs who had ever won a SB, sure maybe it isn't a disqualifying factor then but now days he definitely wouldn't be a lock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, iam90sbaby said: Also, if Dan Marino started playing in 2000-2005ish his career wouldn't of been good enough for HOF. Back then when there were only what 15 different QBs who had ever won a SB, sure maybe it isn't a disqualifying factor then but now days he definitely wouldn't be a lock. if Dan Marino played now, he would have avg'd 5200+ yards and 40+ td's over his career 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: yep and willed his team to 9-7 whoopie They were 9-7 when they won the SB. You live way to much by the stats instead of the moments they gave us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said: if Dan Marino played now, he would have avg'd 5200+ yards and 40+ td's over his career And no ring lol, great he made losing look good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: yep and willed his team to 9-7 whoopie Take away just one of those Td’s in those wins and they don’t win the Super Bowl that year. Amazing you only brought up the 9-7 and not the ring. You’re very unbiased. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said: Yep, just another high stats QB that never won crap, there's plenty of them Wow... Just... Wow... RIvers has better stats across the board than Manning and saying he isn't Hall worthy just because he didn't win a ring is ludicrous... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said: They were 9-7 when they won the SB. You live way to much by the stats instead of the moments they gave us. you brought up the stats, I have already said multiple times, I know he gets in, I just argue that its not deserving, and neither are any of that other tier of QB's below the elite Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, posty said: Wow... Just... Wow... RIvers has better stats across the board than Manning and saying he isn't Hall worthy just because he didn't win a ring is ludicrous... No it isn't, you have to be a bit of a visionary. In 50 years the stat leaderboard will be littered with high stat players that never won anything. A ring is an important piece separating yourself from everyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: you brought up the stats, I have already said multiple times, I know he gets in, I just argue that its not deserving, and neither are any of that other tier of QB's below the elite Because I know my audience, bunch of statheads. Which is why I thought my Warner argument would hold more water but it's apparent you're just biased. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted January 23, 2020 Phillip Rivers may have one meaningful victory in his entire career. I think he beat Peyton and the colts in the playoffs once. Who didn’t? Lost at home to Sanchez and the Jets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 I get it, you phags all think everyone should get participation rewards and HOF votes, you probably think Joe Namath should be in as well I personally dont care, but Eli (and again Rivers, Roeth, Ryan, Stafford)are all the same guys, who got in the right situation to win a SB and played barely good enough and got lucky to win. I just think HOF should be for the greatest of the great, this has nothing to do with Eli, I made the same argument for MLB 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: I get it, you phags all think everyone should get participation rewards and HOF votes, you probably think Joe Namath should be in as well I personally dont care, but Eli (and again Rivers, Roeth, Ryan, Stafford)are all the same guys, who got in the right situation to win a SB and played barely good enough and got lucky to win. I just think HOF should be for the greatest of the great, this has nothing to do with Eli, I made the same argument for MLB You really think Big Ben doesn’t belong in the HOF? Why? What’s missing from his resume? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: I get it, you phags all think everyone should get participation rewards and HOF votes, you probably think Joe Namath should be in as well I personally dont care, but Eli (and again Rivers, Roeth, Ryan, Stafford)are all the same guys, who got in the right situation to win a SB and played barely good enough and got lucky to win. I just think HOF should be for the greatest of the great, this has nothing to do with Eli, I made the same argument for MLB /thread Raiders won this thread... I guess some like the Hall of Fame be just average... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You really think Big Ben doesn’t belong in the HOF? Why? What’s missing from his resume? Another great one, they just don't get it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: You really think Big Ben doesn’t belong in the HOF? Why? What’s missing from his resume? He is above Rivers and Eli, but again, he would probably be the closest to getting my vote, but I wouldn't be casting a vote for the 5th best QB of the century Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 I wouldnt vote Frank Gore in either fwiw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: He is above Rivers and Eli, but again, he would probably be the closest to getting my vote, but I wouldn't be casting a vote for the 5th best QB of the century No Favre? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted January 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said: Another great one, they just don't get it Overboard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: He is above Rivers and Eli, but again, he would probably be the closest to getting my vote, but I wouldn't be casting a vote for the 5th best QB of the century Salty SD fan, Rivers is the only one of the 3 out of the 2004 rookie class that didn't get a ring. With Eli I can at least see how you can make an argument, even though I don't agree with it at all, but saying Big Ben isn't great is just stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: No Favre? Farve is kind of an overlap, I consider him a 90's guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: I wouldnt vote Frank Gore in either fwiw Why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, iam90sbaby said: Salty SD fan, Rivers is the only one of the 3 out of the 2004 rookie class that didn't get a ring. With Eli I can at least see how you can make an argument, even though I don't agree with it at all, but saying Big Ben isn't great is just stupid. how many focking times to I have to say the best of the best, Roeth has had a great career, hes right on the edge, hes closer than Larry Walker, and I know he gets in as well, thats still not what I am arguing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,579 Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said: Why? average career, albeit long, hes the Curtis Martin of now. Never lead the league in rushing, never lead in TD's. Good career, not elite, which again is my criteria Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: how many focking times to I have to say the best of the best, Roeth has had a great career, hes right on the edge, hes closer than Larry Walker, and I know he gets in as well, thats still not what I am arguing Big Ben was elite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nospk 230 Posted January 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: The 500 record is more about unfruitful drafts for years than Eli. When Eli had the horses he rode them to the finish line. Jerry Reese spent years striking out in the draft. JPP and OBJ basically his only hits. Drafted two top ten first round busts, Eli Apple and Flowers. You strike out on two top ten picks two years in a row it’s going to hurt. In 2016 when they broke down and spent on Fa’s they won 11 games. Even with that idiot McAdoo in charge. This post seems to say that he is only a winner if he has top draft picks that pan out around him. No? BTW I am putting this mildly for you. Go ahead and call me a loser now I will hang up and listen lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
