RaiderHaters Revenge 3,583 Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said: Big Ben was elite. he was a good games manager who became great when the rules changed, statistically ever single stat trails Rivers. I want more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said: he was a good games manager who became great when the rules changed, statistically ever single stat trails Rivers. I want more Game manager his rookie season when they barley threw the ball, but he has attempted over 450+ passes in each of the last 8 seasons except one and he didn't play the entire year. Honestly tf are you talking about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted January 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: He is above Rivers and Eli, but again, he would probably be the closest to getting my vote, but I wouldn't be casting a vote for the 5th best QB of the century Raiders won this thread. I put Ben in though. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Herbivore said: Raiders won this thread. Of course he did... He is using common sense... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Herbivore said: Raiders won this thread. I put Ben in though. No he didn't, but you can go stand with him and all the other people who are wrong too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,583 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, iam90sbaby said: Game manager his rookie season when they barley threw the ball, but he has attempted over 450+ passes in each of the last 8 seasons except one and he didn't play the entire year. Honestly tf are you talking about? 450 passes is nothing His stats improved greatly, over the last 8 years, when they started letting him throw more, not shockingly his INT rate went up vastly when they put more in his hands Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said: No he didn't, but you can go stand with him and all the other people who are wrong too. you lost this thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,583 Posted January 23, 2020 Here it is as my prerequisite for the HOF when you say a guys name you should know right off the bat, there isnt a discussion. This has been a split discussion for years. Some people want greatness, some people want events and longevity, thats fine, I dont have a problem with it. some people want free sh1t some people think people to work for it, most of us agree we should work for it, that doesn't mean I have to be a d1ck to people who think socialism is a good idea I can argue my point and that should be respected, always Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,583 Posted January 23, 2020 and again to clarify, I dont care who gets in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: 450 passes is nothing His stats improved greatly, over the last 8 years, when they started letting him throw more, not shockingly his INT rate went up vastly when they put more in his hands That is his minimum and that is the year he only played in 13 games. His average was probably around 500 during that span. Mahomes had 484 last year, just for comparison. "Game manager" lmfao. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,640 Posted January 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, nospk said: This post seems to say that he is only a winner if he has top draft picks that pan out around him. No? BTW I am putting this mildly for you. Go ahead and call me a loser now I will hang up and listen lol It’s not like he was surrounded by HOF players or even many all-pros when he won. But what he had to work with post 2011 was terrible. That’s hard to overcome. For anyone. Mediocre players would have led to a bunch more victories. His line was absolutely terrible after 2011. Not average, or a bit below. But terrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,583 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, iam90sbaby said: That is his minimum and that is the year he only played in 13 games. His average was probably around 500 during that span. Mahomes had 484 last year, just for comparison. You don't know what you're talking about. Mahomes missed 2 (essentially 3) games and posted a 26-5 td/int rate while avg 8.9 YPA while posting a 1.0 INT rate. please show me when Ben even came close to that and I dont know how Mahomes was brought into this but whatever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,640 Posted January 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Herbivore said: you lost this thread Great contribution . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: Mahomes missed 2 (essentially 3) games and posted a 26-5 td/int rate while avg 8.9 YPA while posting a 1.0 INT rate. please show me when Ben even came close to that and I dont know how Mahomes was brought into this but whatever Go look at the top single season passing yards records, heres a link (Ben has two in top 15): https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_single_season.htm Other than Brees the entire top 50 is around 425-550 passing attempts. You called Big Ben a game manager. You're wrong. Also Mahomes didn't miss any games last year when he attempted 484 passes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,583 Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said: Go look at the top single season passing yards records, heres a link (Ben has two in top 15): https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_single_season.htm Other than Brees the entire top 50 is around 425-550 passing attempts. You called Big Ben a game manager. You're wrong. in 2006 and 2009 when they won the SB he was a game manager, a little less so in 09 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 23, 2020 Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said: in 2006 and 2009 when they won the SB he was a game manager, a little less so in 09 2006 sure you could say that, 2009 no. In 2009 going over 4K was still a big deal, now 5k is the new 4k. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,583 Posted January 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said: 2006 sure you could say that, 2009 no. In 2009 going over 4K was still a big deal, now 5k is the new 4k. 7th in passing yards, 11th in tds, 10th in QBR again not even one of the best 5 QB's the year he won the SB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: 7th in passing yards, 11th in tds, 10th in QBR again not even one of the best 5 QB's the year he won the SB Good enough to win the SB tho, bet your boy Rivers wish he could say that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,583 Posted January 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said: Good enough to win the SB tho, bet your boy Rivers wish he could say that Bet if he did I wouldn’t be claiming HOF 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted January 24, 2020 53 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Great contribution . Ive contributed plenty to Eli's lack of HOF credibility. He is at very best the 6th best QB of his generation, since the mid 40s there have been 26 HOF QBs, Eli is not one of the 32 best QBs since 1940. He was good, Gmen HOF, good guy, count on him to be out there. He does not pass the eye test. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,737 Posted January 24, 2020 No team in Eli's career went into a game planning to stop him. NOBODY feared him. That's huge to me when considering HOF worthy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,640 Posted January 24, 2020 35 minutes ago, shorepatrol said: No team in Eli's career went into a game planning to stop him. NOBODY feared him. That's huge to me when considering HOF worthy. Who did they fear then? Post Tiki there aren’t too many 1k rushers. Maybe 3-4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted January 24, 2020 36 minutes ago, shorepatrol said: No team in Eli's career went into a game planning to stop him. NOBODY feared him. That's huge to me when considering HOF worthy. absolutely..I said the same thing in another thread..I think it was edjr's career losing record one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,737 Posted January 24, 2020 59 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Who did they fear then? Post Tiki there aren’t too many 1k rushers. Maybe 3-4. Not eli. He just wasn't a special HOF worthy player. Good moments sure but nowhere near HOF worthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,640 Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, shorepatrol said: Not eli. He just wasn't a special HOF worthy player. Good moments sure but nowhere near HOF worthy. Do you still say he had nothing to do with beating SF in the NFC championship? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,737 Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: Do you still say he had nothing to do with beating SF in the NFC championship? I said he didn't win it in OT like you keep blathering like a focking maniac giving him credit for. SF fumble, fg, game over. Remember? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,640 Posted January 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, shorepatrol said: I said he didn't win it in OT like you keep blathering like a focking maniac giving him credit for. SF fumble, fg, game over. Remember? So 316 and 2 td’s had nothing to do with it. Ok. You can stop talking like ya know something. You don’t. And damn right he gets credit. Maybe if you watched the game you would no that. He damn sure got the blame enough times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,737 Posted January 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: So 316 and 2 td’s had nothing to do with it. Ok. You can stop talking like ya know something. You don’t. And damn right he gets credit. Maybe if you watched the game you would no that. He damn sure got the blame enough times. You are not focking reading my comments HT. Read again and enjoy your pension for focks sake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,640 Posted January 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, shorepatrol said: You are not focking reading my comments HT. Read again and enjoy your pension for focks sake I'm fine. Under your analysis , if a guy hits two homeruns in the first nine innings and it goes extra innings he didn't factor because a run scored on an error to win the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,737 Posted January 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I'm fine. Under your analysis , if a guy hits two homeruns in the first nine innings and it goes extra innings he didn't factor because a run scored on an error to win the game. Still not reading it. FUMBLE, hand off 3 times , fg. He didn't do sh!t to win that game in OT save not fumbling a handoff. Simply put Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,640 Posted January 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, shorepatrol said: Still not reading it. FUMBLE, hand off 3 times , fg. He didn't do sh!t to win that game in OT save not fumbling a handoff. Simply put OT isn't a separate game. It's the same game. Oh yeah, he was sacked 6 times that game. I would love to know what a teams record is when the QB is sacked 6 times. I'd say it's less than 10 pct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I'm fine. Under your analysis , if a guy hits two homeruns in the first nine innings and it goes extra innings he didn't factor because a run scored on an error to win the game. ...let go of the straws you're grasping. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,640 Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, Herbivore said: ...let go of the straws you're grasping. Again, you add so much. Scram. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 905 Posted January 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Again, you add so much. Scram. shorepatrol covered your last sad lob well enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,640 Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Herbivore said: shorepatrol covered your last sad lob well enough. Uh huh. He's in the scrum. You're an idiot on the sidelines yelling things. Get goin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 2,710 Posted January 24, 2020 Eli walks into the HoF, resume is intact. I love people claiming victory when the obvious outcome of this is Eli wearing a Gold Jacket. Also, why does Rivers keep coming up? When that dude get's fitted for multiple SuperBowl rings, then, and only then, you can bring his name up. Until then, STFU about Rivers. You have to have the numbers AND the hardware... None of this is difficult people.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Reality said: Eli walks into the HoF, resume is intact. I love people claiming victory when the obvious outcome of this is Eli wearing a Gold Jacket. Also, why does Rivers keep coming up? When that dude get's fitted for multiple SuperBowl rings, then, and only then, you can bring his name up. Until then, STFU about Rivers. You have to have the numbers AND the hardware... None of this is difficult people.. How did Joe Namath get in? BTW, we aren't saying he won't get in, we know he will... We are just saying that when you look at his numbers, they don't pass the eye test... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 24, 2020 When Eli had the horses he rode them to the finish line. So does this mean that Eli made his team do all the work to win the titles and just because he had a good game he ends up taking all the glory? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 2,710 Posted January 24, 2020 28 minutes ago, posty said: How did Joe Namath get in? BTW, we aren't saying he won't get in, we know he will... We are just saying that when you look at his numbers, they don't pass the eye test... Joe Namath was a travesty, I have no clue why the dude is in. Eli isn't Joe, silly comparison. On the numbers.. Sure they do, top 10 numbers and 2 rings. The numbers are why this thing is so simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
