Hardcore troubadour 12,576 Posted February 11, 2020 In my lifetime: Bob Gibson Tom Seaver Steve Carlton Randy Johnson Pedro. Koufax did most of his work before I was born.Jim Palmer is very difficult to leave off. Catfish is close as well. Jack Morris is a personal favorite and also great, but he doesn’t make it that high. Same for Nolan Ryan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drizzay 644 Posted February 11, 2020 It's tough for me, as a lot of my baseball viewing was during the steroid era. Morris - for obvious reasons, being from MN. Greatest Game 7 pitching performance ever Maddox - I never seen a man control the strike zone like him Pedro - had balls of steel Dave Stewart - just a mean ass glare I was too young for Bob Gibson, but my grandpa used to tell me stories. He was a die-hard Cardinals fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted February 11, 2020 In my lifetime Johnson Maddox Pedro Verlander Scherzer Clemens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,576 Posted February 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Drizzay said: It's tough for me, as a lot of my baseball viewing was during the steroid era. Morris - for obvious reasons, being from MN. Greatest Game 7 pitching performance ever Maddox - I never seen a man control the strike zone like him Pedro - had balls of steel Dave Stewart - just a mean ass glare I was too young for Bob Gibson, but my grandpa used to tell me stories. He was a die-hard Cardinals fan. Stewart was a bad ass. Weird when you hear him talk. Good list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,576 Posted February 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, bandrus1 said: In my lifetime Johnson Maddox Pedro Verlander Scherzer Clemens Verlander May have a spot when it’s all said and done. Definitely the best of his generation. I can accept some steroid use. But the over the top guys like Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, Pudge and Clemens is where I draw the line. Otherwise Clemens is duking it out with R Johnson and Pedro for a spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,576 Posted February 11, 2020 And I hate not having John Smoltz on my list. But he’s top ten. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
avoiding injuries 1,220 Posted February 11, 2020 Born in 79... Hershiser Maddox Pedro Johnson Halladay (to be different) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,735 Posted February 11, 2020 53 minutes ago, bandrus1 said: In my lifetime Johnson Maddox Pedro Verlander Scherzer Clemens Schilling over Scherzer but I'm on board with the rest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frank 2,144 Posted February 11, 2020 I have been to maybe 6 or 7 mlb games. One of them was Maddox vs. Randy Johnson. It was awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, shorepatrol said: Schilling over Scherzer but I'm on board with the rest I'll take the 3 time cy young winner who is still going strong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,735 Posted February 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, bandrus1 said: I'll take the 3 time cy young winner who is still going strong Not a bad argument. I'll take the best post season pitcher though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 830 Posted February 11, 2020 I cannot compile my list at tiis time but I’ll say. Great thread HT Doc Gooden is on my list. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted February 11, 2020 They should rename the Cy Young award to the Greg Maddox award. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,576 Posted February 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: They should rename the Cy Young award to the Greg Maddox award. 34 minutes ago, shotsup said: I cannot compile my list at tiis time but I’ll say. Great thread HT Doc Gooden is on my list. I’ll never forget driving into NYC from Jersey coming up from N Carolina and seeing that huge Gooden mural on one of the buildings on 42nd street after I came out of the of the Lincoln tunnel. Just got back from Japan and I said to myself I guess it’s a METS town now. 1985. It was. Biggest championships in the history of NYC in my time were the 86 METS and Giants, and the 94 Rangers. The city went nuts for those three teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted February 11, 2020 Carlton Palmer R Johnson Maddux Clemens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bostonlager 2,457 Posted February 11, 2020 Tom Browning Jose Rijo Johnny Cueto Danny Jackson 5 man rotations are for pvssies Closer - Rob Dibble Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 489 Posted February 11, 2020 Greg Maddux Tom Glavine John Smoltz Steve Avery Kent Mercker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted February 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, Kopy said: Greg Maddux Tom Glavine John Smoltz Steve Avery Kent Mercker I'll bet you get a ton of wins out of those guys. And a WS. But not 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 489 Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, TimmySmith said: I'll bet you get a ton of wins out of those guys. And a WS. But not 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,940 Posted February 11, 2020 Koufax Gibson Ryan Johnson Maddux Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,546 Posted February 11, 2020 Imagine if Maddux pitched today? since they changed the strike zone. He'd be a JAG. Glavine too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,576 Posted February 11, 2020 A lot of Maddux love. I’ll take David Cone, thank you very much. A real bulldog. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,546 Posted February 11, 2020 11 hours ago, Utilit99 said: They should rename the Cy Young award to the Greg Maddox award. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,546 Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: A lot of Maddux love. I’ll take David Cone, thank you very much. A real bulldog. Not from me. The strike zone was embarrassing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,576 Posted February 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, edjr said: Not from me. The strike zone was embarrassing. Eric Gregg. I remember watching that game in the bar before a Yankee playoff game and we all said if that happened in the Bronx there would be chairs getting thrown on the field. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 748 Posted February 11, 2020 Nice to see some royals getting some love Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,576 Posted February 11, 2020 15 hours ago, frank said: I have been to maybe 6 or 7 mlb games. One of them was Maddox vs. Randy Johnson. It was awesome. We to a Sox-Yanks playoff game in Fenway 1999. Pedro vs Clemens. It sucked. Roger got rocked and everyone in Fenway called him fat. Then Mike Stanton came in and they called him fat too. Which didn’t make sense, but they were on a roll. Love Fenway. I sat right next to Peskys poll. Took my lumps, it was fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,170 Posted February 11, 2020 out of guys that I really watched a lot.... Justin Verlander Randy Johnson Pedro Martinez Greg Maddux Max Scherzer (personal favorite : Tim Hudson) Go ahead an argue Scherzer and Verlander over Smoltz / Halladay / Mussina / Clemens / etc.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,576 Posted February 12, 2020 22 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: out of guys that I really watched a lot.... Justin Verlander Randy Johnson Pedro Martinez Greg Maddux Max Scherzer (personal favorite : Tim Hudson) Go ahead an argue Scherzer and Verlander over Smoltz / Halladay / Mussina / Clemens / etc.... Schrezer and Verlander are making their case for top 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,940 Posted February 12, 2020 Clemens would be top 5 for me if it weren’t for the roids. He, Gibson and Ryan were all cut from the same tough sunofabitch cloth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted February 12, 2020 30 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Schrezer and Verlander are making their case for top 5. Both have maybe 3 solid years left and maybe 2 ok years left On the all time lists they will both be highly regarded and both should be slam dunk high percent HOf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,576 Posted February 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, bandrus1 said: Both have maybe 3 solid years left and maybe 2 ok years left On the all time lists they will both be highly regarded and both should be slam dunk high percent HOf Yes. But I look at what Steve Carlton did to his numbers at the end chasing the money. He’s an all timer, but he did himself no favors finishing up. He could have finished with 300 wins and about 200 losses if he got out on time. 100 games over .500 and the 300 is nuts. Clemens is like 150 over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Yes. But I look at what Steve Carlton did to his numbers at the end chasing the money. He’s an all timer, but he did himself no favors finishing up. And he probably doesn't regret it one bit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,576 Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, bandrus1 said: And he probably doesn't regret it one bit Yeah. He was probably making more at the end than in his prime. Fat pension too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites