edjr 5,546 Posted February 14, 2020 I'm not saying over tax them, just tax them at the same rate you tax me for my real estate holdings. Great way for states to make some more income and leave mine alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,576 Posted February 14, 2020 He’ll yes! Synagogues will bring in a lot of bang for the buck! Of course the Catholic Church’s could probably pay off the defect themselves. And then there’s the Mosques. That will be awesome. And the Scientologists as well. Shouldn’t be a problem at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lod001 1,235 Posted February 14, 2020 Yep. It's completely out of hand. People are running businesses disguised as churches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,546 Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: He’ll yes! Synagogues will bring in a lot of bang for the buck! Of course the Catholic Church’s could probably pay off the defect themselves. And then there’s the Mosques. That will be awesome. And the Scientologists as well. Shouldn’t be a problem at all. Does scientology have much real estate? I thought their sickso just mailed them checks?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,576 Posted February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, edjr said: Does scientology have much real estate? I thought their sickso just mailed them checks?" Yup. Huge complex in Clearwater Florida, all over NY and LA, where soft minded actors and actresses are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted February 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, edjr said: Does scientology have much real estate? I thought their sickso just mailed them checks?" Yes. I’ve been to the one in Clearwater, Fl. It’s huge. Had a very attractive woman in her late 20s try to recruit me and 2 other guys from the baseball team to join. You know the crazy ones always great in bed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted February 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, edjr said: Does scientology have much real estate? I thought their sickso just mailed them checks?" They own major parts of some cities. I am fine with taxing all land, including federal land. No one gets a free ride. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,546 Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, Djgb13 said: Yes. I’ve been to the one in Clearwater, Fl. It’s huge. Had a very attractive woman in her late 20s try to recruit me and 2 other guys from the baseball team to join. You know the crazy ones always great in bed. you should have stopped there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, edjr said: you should have stopped there. Sorry but if you want to know how I know that’s why. Did summer ball there after first year of college. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,546 Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, TimmySmith said: They own major parts of some cities. I am fine with taxing all land, including federal land. No one gets a free ride. my city has 3 major churches and several schools and smaller churches. it's ridiculous. check this sh1t out https://imgur.com/a/ud7KWBY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fandandy 3,311 Posted February 14, 2020 The Catholic Church is the third-largest landowner in the world. First place? The British Royal Family. Technically the Queen of England. Supposedly she "owns" Canada. In reality, the Catholic Church is prolly number one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted February 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, edjr said: my city has 3 major churches and several schools and smaller churches. it's ridiculous. check this sh1t out https://imgur.com/a/ud7KWBY I am a regular church goer and churches really do provide far more immediate benefit by way of food, protection, clothing, money for the needy than most local governments so they are badly needed and serve so many people. However, I am fine with the land being taxed. I doubt any local government is going to take a church for tax liens though. Would not look good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted February 14, 2020 Those mega churches like Joel Olsteens are a big scam and should be taxed. Priests/preachers shouldn’t be making millions from sermons at church. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intense Observer 344 Posted February 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, edjr said: my city has 3 major churches and several schools and smaller churches. it's ridiculous. check this sh1t out https://imgur.com/a/ud7KWBY A person not from Mass sees that word and pronounced it Glue-chester. Kind of like War-chester. I went to a family reunion/funeral up there recently and learned that it is not War-chester but Wooster. Does that mean you pronounce your town like Glooster? Glowster? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,546 Posted February 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Intense Observer said: A person not from Mass sees that word and pronounced it Glue-chester. Kind of like War-chester. I went to a family reunion/funeral up there recently and learned that it is not War-chester but Wooster. Does that mean you pronounce your town like Glooster? Glowster? Glawster 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted February 14, 2020 100% absolutely correct. The fact that they operate such a financial windfall and don't have to pay taxes is ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,546 Posted February 14, 2020 24 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: I am a regular church goer and churches really do provide far more immediate benefit by way of food, protection, clothing, money for the needy than most local governments so they are badly needed and serve so many people. However, I am fine with the land being taxed. I doubt any local government is going to take a church for tax liens though. Would not look good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Asian Man 26 Posted February 14, 2020 2 hours ago, edjr said: Does scientology have much real estate? I thought their sickso just mailed them checks?" They own a lot of downtown Clearwater. They have bought some of the old cigar factories in Tampa and turned them into recruiting centers. I would expect that the same is true in other cities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Asian Man 26 Posted February 14, 2020 https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2019/10/26/exp-scientology-buys-most-of-downtown-clearwater-florida.cnn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloaca du jour 2,064 Posted February 14, 2020 Mega churches for sure....small under 100 congregations need the help. They are the ones doing food banks...community dinners....vacation bible schools on a shoestring budget. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KayJay1971 238 Posted February 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Intense Observer said: it is not War-chester but Wooster. How is this even possible? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thornton Melon 542 Posted February 15, 2020 5 hours ago, edjr said: Glawster Glawstuh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,735 Posted February 15, 2020 Absofuckinglutely Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted February 15, 2020 Yep. The small suburb of Memphis my family lives in is crazy. Some ridiculous number like 25% of the real estate in town is churches (they have a heavy limitation on the amount of commercial real estate in town.) Most of these churches are rich as fock. They should be paying their taxes. I'd be ok for an exemption for extremely small poor churches. But the others need to pony up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 15, 2020 If we tax them, then that only means even MORE money is gonna get siphoned off to mega-corrupt politicians to fund their excesses. You want to give the political class even more money? At least the Churches are trying to help the poor. I thought mostly conservative people posted here, yet I'm seeing waves of posts in this thread of empowering politicians to take luxurious vacations to fantasy islands here. What if we went the other way and gave more of the billions wasted by the government to Churches? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted February 15, 2020 The real scam is the preachers. These Megan church guys make bank, and pay little tax. Their mansions are a "parsonage" and tax free. The guy that lives next door to my dad has a 9,000 square foot "parsonage" he pays nothing for. It's a total scam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted February 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, riversco said: If we tax them, then that only means even MORE money is gonna get siphoned off to mega-corrupt politicians to fund their excesses. You want to give the political class even more money? At least the Churches are trying to help the poor. I thought mostly conservative people posted here, yet I'm seeing waves of posts in this thread of empowering politicians to take luxurious vacations to fantasy islands here. We are talking property tax here. That's local schools, fire, police. We aren't talking washington here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said: We are talking property tax here. That's local schools, fire, police. We aren't talking washington here. Oh, so you're saying that once people get accustomed to taxing churches, it will SURELY stop at the local level. Uh-huh. The second the federal government notices people are willing to tax Churches, they are gonna want in on that action for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, riversco said: Oh, so you're saying that once people get accustomed to taxing churches, it will SURELY stop at the local level. Uh-huh. The second the federal government notices people are willing to tax Churches, they are gonna want in on that action for sure. I'm fine with that. Churches should operate under the same law as everyone else. Now if you want to talk about tax policy being incorrect in general, I'm sure you'd get resounding agreement around here. But the law should apply to all entities the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,940 Posted February 15, 2020 Yeah, right. Gotta go after the Churches since they are the biggest tax avoiders (evaders) and need to pay their fair share. Get a grip people. There isn’t a church in the the US that generates $13B in annual profits. ://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/video/amazon-paid-only-1-2-172311914.html Focking Morons Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said: I'm fine with that. Churches should operate under the same law as everyone else. Now if you want to talk about tax policy being incorrect in general, I'm sure you'd get resounding agreement around here. But the law should apply to all entities the same. Did you know the USSR actually BANNED all charities for 70 years? Just banned them all. Only the federal government was allowed to help the poor. And then once they set that up, the commies stole the money from the federal assistance programs to enrich themselves. So the poor received no aid at all. That's the mentality on the left. Promise to help the poor and then steal all the money. We don't need to keep repeating the same mistakes. Charities should be utterly and completely separate from the government, local, federal or otherwise. There's a damn good reason we have separation of Church and State. Or go back to King Henry the 8th. He wanted the Church money for himself. So he started smearing the name of the Church, calling them all pedophiles and whatnot. Pointing out any excesses. He then crossed the line and started forcibly reforming the Church. Once he got people used to that idea, he banned the Church, set up his own Church, made himself its Pope, and then stole ALL the money. He took the money and used it to finance pointless bloody wars. There's a damn good reason we have separation of Church and State. We have seen this fookin sheet repeatedly. Government sees all the money the Church has, steals it all, and uses it to enrich itself. No fooking thanks. Learn from history. Keep it separate. Saying "its time to tax Churches" is nothing new. Corrupt people have been promoting that for hundreds of years. If they get the public to go along, then they steal the money and ruin public assistance. I could talk about the Knights Templar, who provided roadside assistance to pilgrims traveling to Jerusalem. They made some money by helping them. So they had built up some wealth. Kings noticed the wealth they had and immeidately started spreading gossip and rumors to discredit them until the public demanded that they were hunted down and killed. Then the kings stole the money, if they could find it. To this day, we have ancient legends of hidden Templar gold. Same . A nonprofit helps people, manages it money well, builds something, and politicians wanna steal it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,735 Posted February 15, 2020 2 hours ago, riversco said: At least the Churches are trying to help the poor. Tax them like the rest of us and you'll see who is really doing "gods work". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill E. 666 Posted February 15, 2020 My parents live in Erie PA and it is crazy. The hospitals, colleges, churches and other non-profits own over 1/3 of the property in the city and it is all non-taxable. That does not count government owned properties but that is not much better. The Port and Convention Authorities have built new mega-hotels that are tax exempt while they raised hotel taxes on other hotels to help fund the building of the new ones. Two have been built and one more is coming. The suburb tax rate is a fraction of the city taxes so people that can have fled even the better neighborhoods causing the housing prices to plummet while tax rates continue to go up. Maybe it is like that everywhere but they need to tax them all the same or these cities will continue to rot. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,541 Posted February 15, 2020 Here comes another con hiding behind a collar His only God is the almighty dollar He ain't no prophet, he ain't no healer He's just a two bit God damm money stealer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,079 Posted February 15, 2020 Tax Indian Reservations and their focking casinos too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias Detective 1,178 Posted February 15, 2020 17 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: He’ll yes! Synagogues will bring in a lot of bang for the buck! Of course the Catholic Church’s could probably pay off the defect themselves. And then there’s the Mosques. That will be awesome. And the Scientologists as well. Shouldn’t be a problem at all. Catholic Church is the largest land owner in the world. I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, kutulu said: Here comes another con hiding behind a collar His only God is the almighty dollar He ain't no prophet, he ain't no healer He's just a two bit God damm money stealer So bring me your coconuts Bring me your sweet mango too Bring me your papaya And I'll tell you what I'll bring for you Syphilis & religion That's what we are handin' out Syphilis & religion Two things you could Probably do without Now get your little donkeys Pack'em with straw and mud and water Build me a church right here Build me a whorehouse and Bring me your daughter She could do with some extra tuition Later on behind the mission Fanned by the cool night breeze I'll spread the word and the std's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, kutulu said: Here comes another con hiding behind a collar His only God is the almighty dollar He ain't no prophet, he ain't no healer He's just a two bit God damm money stealer Hilary went to the Catholic Church because she wanted information The vicar, or whatever, took her to one side and gave her confirmation Saint Theresa's calling her, the church up on the hill is looking lovely But it doesn't interest, the only things she wants to know is How and why and when and where to go How and why and when and where to follow How and why and when and where to go How and why and when and where to follow But if you are feeling sinister Go off and see a minister He'll try in vain to take away the pain of being a hopeless unbeliever When she got back, her spirituality was thrown into confusion So she got a special deal on renting From the man at Rediffusion "Look at me! I'm on TV It makes up for the shortcomings of being poor Now I'm in a million pieces", picked up for deliberation By the people listening at home By the people watching on the telly By the people listening at home By the people watching on the telly But if you are feeling sinister Go off and see a minister Chances are you'll probably feel better If you stayed and played with yourself Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frank 2,144 Posted February 15, 2020 Time for lust, time for lie Time to kiss your life goodbye Send me money, send me green Heaven you will meet Make a contribution And you'll get a better seat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted February 15, 2020 I am shocked that this is devolving into an anti religion thread. Shocked! Now you know why non profits will never pay property tax. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites