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1 minute ago, posty said:

If it is like the school my son goes to, a lot don't have internet because of income...  A lot of them are on free and reduced lunches...  Though most of the kids have the latest iPhone's for status symbols...

I’m going to take the over 50% on how many of those low income abodes have at least 1 smoker living in them.

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1 hour ago, fandandy said:

According to my daughter, her school cannot do internet-based learning during this lockdown because 20% of her classmates do not have the internet at home.  

Online learning is going to be much more common in the future and this issue needs to be addressed.  Not sure how or by who but something needs to be done.  

I'm hearing the same thing over here from the elementary school principal.  This seems to be the main issue Whitmer and the board of ed are trying to solve.  They'd like to move to e learning for the rest of the year, but there are too many households without it.  I think a lot of people might just be using their phones' unlimited data plan and skipping wifi.  

My youngest had a video conference with his class yesterday and only half the kids attended.  I'm sure many just skipped it, but I also think no internet was a factor for some.  

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2 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

I’m going to take the over 50% on how many of those low income abodes have at least 1 smoker living in them.

Based on my experience, it has to be very high.

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52 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Is it extremely rural and no company will build the infrastructure? 

Someone, maybe it was me, posted a link to a story where a town built their own internet infrastructure in PA because isp wouldn't do it. They claimed it wasn't worth the investment financially. Once the area built up the lobbyists were able to convince the state to bar municipalities from acting as their own isp. Now that's some bull shlt. You have to sit back and accept you can't get internet until a company decides your area is worth it. 

I posted this previously.  A co-op in a one traffic light city in Kentucky has some of the fastest Internet there is, and everyone has it.  Now, many of their residents do tech work from home:

https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/the-one-traffic-light-town-with-some-of-the-fastest-internet-in-the-us

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12 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Based on my experience, it has to be very high.

Agree.  Many who don’t have internet due to financial constraints choose to not have internet due to financial stupidity.

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52 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Agree.  Many who don’t have internet due to financial constraints choose to not have internet due to financial stupidity.

I agree that is true for a good amount of people.

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3 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

If schools start going to online teaching would it be fair to say that internet is a basic service that everyone should have access to?  Make it available like over-the-air TV broadcasts to everyone for free.  I saw this brought up on Twitter and I found it interesting.

Why stop at free internet? These kids will need a computer. Lets give them that for free. They will need a printer. Lets give them that for free. What happens when they run out of paper or ink? You guessed it! FREE!!!!

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Just now, KayJay1971 said:

Why stop at free internet? These kids will need a computer. Lets give them that for free. They will need a printer. Lets give them that for free. What happens when they run out of paper or ink? You guessed it! FREE!!!!

Not what I would suggest at all.  There are many schools that are letting kids take home computers already.  I don't think printers would be needed.  I really doubt paper is an issue.

I don't think some of you are grasping the concept of this and just getting hung up on some personal bias.

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4 minutes ago, KayJay1971 said:

Why stop at free internet? These kids will need a computer. Lets give them that for free. They will need a printer. Lets give them that for free. What happens when they run out of paper or ink? You guessed it! FREE!!!!

Maybe throw in some Nachos? Everyone deserves Nachos. 

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3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Not what I would suggest at all.  There are many schools that are letting kids take home computers already.  I don't think printers would be needed.  I really doubt paper is an issue.

I don't think some of you are grasping the concept of this and just getting hung up on some personal bias.

I don't understand why internet should be free but not electricity

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Maybe throw in some Nachos? Everyone deserves Nachos. 

Are we talking ball park nachos? Nacho flavored doritos? Nacho flavored chips in general? And if we are allowing nacho flavored doritos, can we include ranch flavored also? 

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Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

I don't understand why internet should be free but not electricity

Word!

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2 hours ago, posty said:

If it is like the school my son goes to, a lot don't have internet because of income...  A lot of them are on free and reduced lunches...  Though most of the kids have the latest iPhone's for status symbols...

Solution: Don't have kids if you can't afford them.

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Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

I don't understand why internet should be free but not electricity

If you treated them the same then electricity would have to be limited to how much can be used each day, week or month.  If they decided to offer internet to everyone it would have to be something basic and limited in speed.

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1 minute ago, lickin_starfish said:

Solution: Don't have kids if you can't afford them.

I'm on board with that solution.

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3 hours ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Ummm, no.  Having the government provide technology related items like this will stifle improvements.  Feel free to give the common masses some sort of cheap dial-up Internet if you want.  I want telcos providing 5G and 6G stuff instead of just trying to get by with the bare minimum required to meet governmental requirements.  

Tether to Obama phone :dunno:

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5 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Are we talking ball park nachos? Nacho flavored doritos? Nacho flavored chips in general? And if we are allowing nacho flavored doritos, can we include ranch flavored also? 

I’m a big fan of your basic Nacho. Chips, queso and jalapeños. That’s just me. I know from experience that some of the food stamp crowd can be very demanding about their short order cuisine. I have seen many a China man harangued about  hot sauce and extra cat meat. So I’m going to say that bagged nachos and my preference won’t cut it. Lay on the chili. 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m a big fan of your basic Nacho. Chips, queso and jalapeños. That’s just me. I know from experience that some of the food stamp crowd can be very demanding about their short order cuisine. I have seen many a China man harangued about  hot sauce and extra cat meat. So I’m going to say that bagged nachos and my preference won’t cut it. Lay on the chili. 

If we correlate your nacho tier system to internet tier system, it sounds like you want to fly right pased basic nachos and give people a free upgrade beyond the already free basic nachos. That's going too far. 

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2 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

If we correlate your nacho tier system to internet tier system, it sounds like you want to fly right pased basic nachos and give people a free upgrade beyond the already free basic nachos. That's going too far. 

I have witnessed civil disorder on a free government cheese line. Don’t underestimate the expectations of people getting free stuff. It has to be as much and as good as everyone else.  

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9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What is everyone's opinion on OTA broadcasts?

Apples to oranges.  The government doesn't provide you with a TV to watch it.  They don't do the broadcasting themselves, nor do they subsidize it.  All they do is create the regulations under which a private company can transmit over those frequencies.  There is no additional infrastructure required and the signal goes to everyone.  You might have a point if the government ran cable to every home in America and then allowed the ISP's to use that cable. 

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Apples to oranges.  The government doesn't provide you with a TV to watch it.  They don't do the broadcasting themselves, nor do they subsidize it.  All they do is create the regulations under which a private company can transmit over those frequencies.  There is no additional infrastructure required and the signal goes to everyone.  You might have a point if the government ran cable to every home in America and then allowed the ISP's to use that cable. 

I was thinking it could be something similar to OTA broadcasts where the internet signal would be broadcast from tower and received by an antenna on the home.  The customer would be responsible for purchasing the modem/router and whatever devices they want to connect to the internet.  It would be a basic service but work well enough for doing video conferencing.  There would still be the option to pay for better internet from other providers like we do now.

It's not something I think needs to happen right now but I think it's something we could do.

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I was thinking it could be something similar to OTA broadcasts where the internet signal would be broadcast from tower and received by an antenna on the home.  The customer would be responsible for purchasing the modem/router and whatever devices they want to connect to the internet.  It would be a basic service but work well enough for doing video conferencing.  There would still be the option to pay for better internet from other providers like we do now.

It's not something I think needs to happen right now but I think it's something we could do.

Do you have any focking clue how the Internet actually works?   And who is paying for all this infrastructure?  The government or an ISP?  Who is going to maintain and upgrade it? 

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Do you have any focking clue how the Internet actually works?   And who is paying for all this infrastructure?  The government or an ISP?  Who is going to maintain and upgrade it? 

Yes, I know how the internet works.  I don't know who would pay for the infrastructure, possibly the government.  Those are all things that would have to be figured out, obviously.

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Yes, I know how the internet works.  I don't know who would pay for the infrastructure, possibly the government.  Those are all things that would have to be figured out, obviously.

Think of it the same way as electricity.  We don't have the government provide that infrastructure, so we don't want to do it for the Internet either.  OTA is different because it started out as free and it is hard to take it away after the fact.  Adding Internet to the freebie list is socialist and not necessary.  

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Yes, I know how the internet works.  I don't know who would pay for the infrastructure, possibly the government.  Those are all things that would have to be figured out, obviously.

You clearly don't know how the internet works.  If you did know how the Internet works then you'd know data flows BOTH ways.  It's not like TV.  You don't just broadcast from an antenna to a receiver.  And you said you want it to be good enough for videoconferencing.  Videoconferencing, as well as video in general, is very sensitive to latency.  Most technologies lesser than DSL/Cable modem suck due to latency.  That's why satellite internet, while better than dial up due to it's speed, is not considered a good technology for internet. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

You clearly don't know how the internet works.  If you did know how the Internet works then you'd know data flows BOTH ways.  It's not like TV.  You don't just broadcast from an antenna to a receiver.  And you said you want it to be good enough for videoconferencing.  Videoconferencing, as well as video in general, is very sensitive to latency.  Most technologies lesser than DSL/Cable modem suck due to latency.  That's why satellite internet, while better than dial up due to it's speed, is not considered a good technology for internet. 

 

When I said antenna I was talking about a dish antenna.  I made it sound too simple and apologize for that.  It could not be done with a similar type antenna that is used for OTA broadcast.  A dish antenna would be more expensive as it would require a transmitter/LNB.

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8 minutes ago, Strike said:

You clearly don't know how the internet works.  If you did know how the Internet works then you'd know data flows BOTH ways.  It's not like TV.  You don't just broadcast from an antenna to a receiver.  And you said you want it to be good enough for videoconferencing.  Videoconferencing, as well as video in general, is very sensitive to latency.  Most technologies lesser than DSL/Cable modem suck due to latency.  That's why satellite internet, while better than dial up due to it's speed, is not considered a good technology for internet. 

 

But can it be fReE tho bro?

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

When I said antenna I was talking about a dish antenna.  I made it sound too simple and apologize for that.  It could not be done with a similar type antenna that is used for OTA broadcast.  A dish antenna would be more expensive as it would require a transmitter/LNB.

So you're proposing dish based internet for free?  Ugh, never mind.  You have no clue what you're talking about.  Let me clue you in to something.  Cost matters.  Do you know how much what you're proposing would cost?  If not, get back to me when you've got an actual workable proposal with the technical and financial details defined. 

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My internet at home comes from signal transmitter from a tower in town.  I have a dish antenna mount on my house.  It's not satellite internet and it's much better quality than the internet from the phone company as well.  It's also less expensive.

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Just now, Strike said:

So you're proposing dish based internet for free?  Ugh, never mind.  You have no clue what you're talking about.  Let me clue you in to something.  Cost matters.  Do you know how much what you're proposing would cost?  If not, get back to me when you've got an actual workable proposal with the technical and financial details defined. 

Yes, I know.  Stop being such a focking ass all the time when discussing things.  Why is it so hard to just have a civil conversation on here.  You get so damn pissy.  Christ, how old are you?

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Yes, I know.  Stop being such a focking ass all the time when discussing things.  Why is it so hard to just have a civil conversation on here.  You get so damn pissy.  Christ, how old are you?

You gonna report him?

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Just now, iam90sbaby said:

You gonna report him?

Why would I report him?  That's not my thing.  I'd rather confront the person directly.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Why would I report him?  That's not my thing.  I'd rather confront the person directly.

Uh huh sure thing 

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Yes, I know.  Stop being such a focking ass all the time when discussing things.  Why is it so hard to just have a civil conversation on here.  You get so damn pissy.  Christ, how old are you?

Nah, I just hate stupidity.  I said this last week.  You're just like a typical lib.  You throw things out there without having thought them out.  It's a waste of time trying to have a civil conversation with you because when asked for sources or specifics you NEVER have any.  I keep reminding myself not to engage with you.  I'll keep trying to do better at not doing so in the future.  There is no value in doing so.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Nah, I just hate stupidity.  I said this last week.  You're just like a typical lib.  You throw things out there without having thought them out.  It's a waste of time trying to have a civil conversation with you because when asked for sources or specifics you NEVER have any.  I keep reminding myself not to engage with you.  I'll keep trying to do better at not doing so in the future.  There is no value in doing so.

It's called a discussion.  People from both sides discuss their opinions.  I thought this was something worth talking about.  I've done nothing but be civil in this thread.  There have been sources asked for here.  I don't see how I'm the problem here.

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3 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Uh huh sure thing 

I haven't.  If you're going to make the claim then prove it.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I haven't.  If you're going to make the claim then prove it.

How would I do that? Plus the burden of proof isn't on me it's on you, you're the one being accused. That's just how things work now. Thanks libs :(

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Just now, iam90sbaby said:

How would I do that? Plus the burden of proof isn't on me it's on you, you're the one being accused. That's just how things work now. Thanks libs :(

Usually the person who makes the claim has to show proof.  How am I to prove that?  I have no reason to lie about doing it.  I don't put people on ignore and I don't report people.  Simple as that.

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Does this mean I’ll be reimbursed for the $80 a month I’ve been paying for high speed internet for the last 15 years?

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