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I saw the latest David Rubin post from today regarding his book and he references this moment four years ago, as his worst and best of his podcasting career. It's when he feels he gets redpilled. He takes the standard liberal position and is just badly curbstomped by Larry Elder on race relations in the US and has no defense and that's why it's his worst. He says his production staff wanted to edit this out but he held firm and is glad he did as this conversation changed his life and he grew from it and so it's his bese.

Larry Elder is just on fire here. It's well worth checking out.

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This is the epitome of:

Libs=Im smarter than you but base my stance on emotion, fear mongering

Conservatives= facts, nothing but facts

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Long video I started yesterday, but worth the time so far.  Dont let the title frighten you away.  

 

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Did you see where VW had to apologize for a "racist ad"  It is hard to even take racism serious when things like this are deemed racist. So if the hand had been black and the person black it would have been ok. Or if the hand had been black and the person were white it would also be ok.  Also lets talk about the fact that VW was using a black person in the first place.Does the ACTOR think the ad was racist? This is the type of shittt that makes you question every single claim of racism. 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Voltaire said:

I saw the latest David Rubin post from today regarding his book and he references this moment four years ago, as his worst and best of his podcasting career. It's when he feels he gets redpilled. He takes the standard liberal position and is just badly curbstomped by Larry Elder on race relations in the US and has no defense and that's why it's his worst. He says his production staff wanted to edit this out but he held firm and is glad he did as this conversation changed his life and he grew from it and so it's his bese.

Larry Elder is just on fire here. It's well worth checking out.

Larry Elder is awesome.  I like him.  I watch his channel all the time.

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5 hours ago, Voltaire said:

I saw the latest David Rubin post from today regarding his book and he references this moment four years ago, as his worst and best of his podcasting career. It's when he feels he gets redpilled. He takes the standard liberal position and is just badly curbstomped by Larry Elder on race relations in the US and has no defense and that's why it's his worst. He says his production staff wanted to edit this out but he held firm and is glad he did as this conversation changed his life and he grew from it and so it's his bese.

Larry Elder is just on fire here. It's well worth checking out.

I don't know much about Rubin, but looked him up, and he is now a conservative commentator.  This says more opportunist than idealogue to me.  I wouldn't consider him getting curbstomped here, just cause he didn't say all that much.  Larry certainly makes worthy and interesting points.  He does most of the talking, which is fine, the way it should be.  I am against the voucher system, I would think it better to not have crappy/crip schools.  Affirmative Action is an interesting case...does Larry think it never should have existed?  He said JFK was the kind of Dem his mom liked, JFK was the one who essentially started AA.  I don't necessarily think we should still practice AA today, and I can't even really say we should have then as I wasn't alive.  But I do think it was started for a reason, and it was not so the dems could control the black vote.  The fatherless homes thing is undeniable though, and he certainly could be correct about welfare making it worse.  

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If the black community boosted up Larry Elder and Thomas Sowell as  their leaders/ spokespeople instead of Sharpton and Jackson they would have made more progress at this point.  

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2 hours ago, Herbivore said:

I don't know much about Rubin, but looked him up, and he is now a conservative commentator.  This says more opportunist than idealogue to me.  I wouldn't consider him getting curbstomped here, just cause he didn't say all that much.  Larry certainly makes worthy and interesting points.  He does most of the talking, which is fine, the way it should be.  I am against the voucher system, I would think it better to not have crappy/crip schools.  Affirmative Action is an interesting case...does Larry think it never should have existed?  He said JFK was the kind of Dem his mom liked, JFK was the one who essentially started AA.  I don't necessarily think we should still practice AA today, and I can't even really say we should have then as I wasn't alive.  But I do think it was started for a reason, and it was not so the dems could control the black vote.  The fatherless homes thing is undeniable though, and he certainly could be correct about welfare making it worse.  

Rubin worked for The Young Turks for years, and is hardly a conservative.  Hes pretty centered, pro abortion, drugs, etc.  He left the network, when they basically told him he shouldn't associate with a friend of his who they said was a homophobe (Dave is a married gay man fwiw), and Rubin started looking deep into their bullsh1t

 

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3 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Rubin worked for The Young Turks for years, and is hardly a conservative.  Hes pretty centered, pro abortion, drugs, etc.  He left the network, when they basically told him he shouldn't associate with a friend of his who they said was a homophobe (Dave is a married gay man fwiw), and Rubin started looking deep into their bullsh1t

 

His issues with the Young Turks could be valid, but they shouldn't guide his positions.  I don't know which changed or what he said while there, but he is listed as Conservative commentator.  Doesnt Blaze TV not accept pro choice personalities?

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2 hours ago, Herbivore said:

His issues with the Young Turks could be valid, but they shouldn't guide his positions.  I don't know which changed or what he said while there, but he is listed as Conservative commentator.  Doesnt Blaze TV not accept pro choice personalities?

Blaze accepts anyone who believes in free speech and brings a voice to their platform. Only left wing sites allow one way of thinking. I align as just right of Rubin

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16 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Blaze accepts anyone who believes in free speech and brings a voice to their platform. Only left wing sites allow one way of thinking. I align as just right of Rubin

didnt they can Lahren

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8 hours ago, Herbivore said:

I don't know much about Rubin, but looked him up, and he is now a conservative commentator.  This says more opportunist than idealogue to me.  I wouldn't consider him getting curbstomped here, just cause he didn't say all that much.  Larry certainly makes worthy and interesting points.  He does most of the talking, which is fine, the way it should be.  I am against the voucher system, I would think it better to not have crappy/crip schools.  Affirmative Action is an interesting case...does Larry think it never should have existed?  He said JFK was the kind of Dem his mom liked, JFK was the one who essentially started AA.  I don't necessarily think we should still practice AA today, and I can't even really say we should have then as I wasn't alive.  But I do think it was started for a reason, and it was not so the dems could control the black vote.  The fatherless homes thing is undeniable though, and he certainly could be correct about welfare making it worse.  

This reads a bit like Rubin in that video.  Liberals tend to be ideologues like he was there -- opinions based on emotions.  When pushed for systemic racism examples, Rubin pulled out the "white cops hate black men" card.  Elder shot that down.  Rubin had nothing else.  Perhaps you do?  What examples with facts can you provide?

You also state "I am against the voucher system, I would think it better to not have crappy/crip schools."  Well... see my ideology comment.  That sounds awesome! what's the plan?  We've been throwing money at it, that clearly isn't the answer.  Why not let black parents who care about their kids take advantage of vouchers and get their kids out of there into better schools so that they can have a better life and provide examples to other black kids.  You know, the Uncle Toms like Elder and Sowell, which is how our current system categorizes them.

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I've seen Thomas Sowell mentioned a couple times in this thread, so glad to hear it.  A North Carolinian and one of my favorite historical follows.  A brilliant mind who puts complex thoughts into laymen quotes.  An American treasure.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

 

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Thomas Sowell (/sl/; born June 30, 1930) is an American economist and social theorist who is currently a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

Sowell was born in North Carolina but grew up in Harlem, New York. He dropped out of Stuyvesant High School and served in the United States Marine Corps during the Korean War. He received a bachelor's degree, graduating magna laude[1] from Harvard University in 1958 and a master's degree from Columbia University in 1959. In 1968, he earned his doctorate in economics from the University of Chicago.

Sowell has served on the faculties of several universities, including Cornell University and University of California, Los Angeles. He has also worked for think tanks such as the Urban Institute. Since 1980, he has worked at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. He writes from a libertarian conservative perspective. Sowell has written more than thirty books (a number of which have been reprinted in revised editions), and his work has been widely anthologized. He is a National Humanities Medal recipient for innovative scholarship which incorporated history, economics and political science.


 

 

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

This reads a bit like Rubin in that video.  Liberals tend to be ideologues like he was there -- opinions based on emotions.  When pushed for systemic racism examples, Rubin pulled out the "white cops hate black men" card.  Elder shot that down.  Rubin had nothing else.  Perhaps you do?  What examples with facts can you provide?

You also state "I am against the voucher system, I would think it better to not have crappy/crip schools."  Well... see my ideology comment.  That sounds awesome! what's the plan?  We've been throwing money at it, that clearly isn't the answer.  Why not let black parents who care about their kids take advantage of vouchers and get their kids out of there into better schools so that they can have a better life and provide examples to other black kids.  You know, the Uncle Toms like Elder and Sowell, which is how our current system categorizes them.

I think you misinterpreted my post.  Vouchers mean accept that we are sending kids to bad schools.  

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11 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Not sure I don’t really follow it all. Not a fan of beck. 

from wiki..would be a little surprising if the blaze turned around and hired a "pro-abortion" guy.  

On March 17, 2017, Lahren made a guest appearance on The View in which she said that women should have access to abortion and that she would be a hypocrite if she supported both "limited government and also government restrictions on abortion".[23] TheBlaze's owner, Glenn Beck, who is anti-abortion, criticized Lahren for her comments and suspended her with pay,[5][24] leading Lahren to file a wrongful termination suit.[25][26][27] The suit was settled under an agreement in which Lahren kept her Facebook page but removed videos she had made with TheBlaze.[28]

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14 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

he didn't mention anything about his friend he shouldn't associate with there.  i can see him being fed up with YT, for the reasons he mentioned, without knowing all of the finer points within each(I do vaguely remember the Ben Affleck Bill Maher thing, and then Hebdo).  I still don't see how he moved from liberal to conservative.  If it was only the way YT was operating, he wasn't very strong in his beliefs.  

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13 hours ago, Herbivore said:

I think you misinterpreted my post.  Vouchers mean accept that we are sending kids to bad schools.  

No, I understood exactly what you were saying, and the above attitude is one of many problems of a socialist approach to schools.  I asked for your solution in the absence of vouchers.  Is there none?  So if some kid with potential has a parent who cares and wants to give them a better life... so sorry, you live on the south side of Main Street, you need to go to Crap HS.  Enjoy your future life as a career criminal.  :thumbsup:

Schools in our district get funded based on enrollment. Our specific school is in a landlocked area with no population growth; they bus kids in from as far as 30 miles away in multiple directions.  They do it because our school is better.  I don't know how funding works in the schools 30 miles away, but if it is similar, they need to try harder to improve and keep kids from moving out of boundary.  It's called competition, and it works better than lamenting about sucky schools.

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16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

No, I understood exactly what you were saying, and the above attitude is one of many problems of a socialist approach to schools.  I asked for your solution in the absence of vouchers.  Is there none?  So if some kid with potential has a parent who cares and wants to give them a better life... so sorry, you live on the south side of Main Street, you need to go to Crap HS.  Enjoy your future life as a career criminal.  :thumbsup:

Schools in our district get funded based on enrollment. Our specific school is in a landlocked area with no population growth; they bus kids in from as far as 30 miles away in multiple directions.  They do it because our school is better.  I don't know how funding works in the schools 30 miles away, but if it is similar, they need to try harder to improve and keep kids from moving out of boundary.  It's called competition, and it works better than lamenting about sucky schools.

no you didn't.  I don't believe there is rampant systemic racism.  I just don't think Rubin got curb stomped because he didn't say much, he didn't push back at all.  If he was the staunch liberal like he had said or has been portrayed he would have at least some.  Elder may have shot back any of his examples, which would have been fine, and maybe a curbstomping.  Rubin just layed down.  I don't have all the solutions jerry.  It seems you don't either, as your plan leads to the south side of Main St. going to crappy schools and enjoying a future life of crime.  

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2 hours ago, Herbivore said:

he didn't mention anything about his friend he shouldn't associate with there.  i can see him being fed up with YT, for the reasons he mentioned, without knowing all of the finer points within each(I do vaguely remember the Ben Affleck Bill Maher thing, and then Hebdo).  I still don't see how he moved from liberal to conservative.  If it was only the way YT was operating, he wasn't very strong in his beliefs.  

His opinions didn't change all that much. If any they were tweked on the edges. He'll go down the list of left wing positions he still holds as he did in discussions with another gay man about leaving the left while discussiong his book a couple of weeks ago. He can have discussions with people on the right over those differences and when the end the conversation comes, they shake hands and depart as friends. He can't do that on the left. He got frustrated with the closed mindedness of the debate on the left and the heretical treatments and the cancel culture of people who don't check every box in  left wing orthodoxy, in his case free speech and Islam and respect for the constitution.

He's only made minor moves on positions and to label him a conservative is really mislabelling. 

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5 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

His opinions didn't change all that much. If any they were tweked on the edges. He'll go down the list of left wing positions he still holds as he did in discussions with another gay man about leaving the left while discussiong his book a couple of weeks ago. He can have discussions with people on the right over those differences and when the end the conversation comes, they shake hands and depart as friends. He can't do that on the left. He got frustrated with the closed mindedness of the debate on the left and the heretical treatments and the cancel culture of people who don't check every box in  left wing orthodoxy, in his case free speech and Islam and respect for the constitution.

He's only made minor moves on positions and to label him a conservative is really mislabelling. 

It isn't my label, its just what I have seen, on wiki, and in reviews of his book.  I haven't followed him, and therefore don't know the history of his positions.  It certainly can be frustrating with close mindedness, or cancel culture.  It is weak.  In our beloved Geek Club we have about 4 or 5 left leaning people, no social justice warriors, not particularly anti 2a people, nobody that is endlessly supportive of some trans agenda.  You've seen me on here for years, would you say I am any of these things?  Even in this thread, I have reviewed the added videos, and made fairly generic comments.  Rubin not really curbstomped, cause he didn't say much.  Elder made good pts.  From that jerry says give systemic racism examples...I never said that there is systemic racism examples.  

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