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I know they’re supposed to be some boogeyman but I don’t get it.

First off, there isn’t an actual organization or mastermind out there as far as I can understand. It’s a loose association of people and ideas, no? Sure they talk online or something but what I’m getting at is people act like it’s some shadowy centralized homogenous organization and I don’t believe it is.

Which brings me to another point: these are mostly just idealistic young people. They believed there was a rising fascist tide coming and that they needed to prepare to take it on. Roll your eyes if you want, sure, but these are your boogeymen? Shaggy haired potheads?

Which brings me to another point: they aren’t wrong! There is a rising fascist tide all across Europe and elsewhere. Here too. So these kids are prescient. They saw this coming, back at least around 2010 with the fascist tea party uprising and whispers of Brexit but probably earlier than that even. Most of the rest of us hid our heads in the sand and preferred to believe it couldn’t happen. Well, as so often happens, the young saw the world through a different and more accurate prism, having not become jaded and inured long ago.

And another thing, if your anti-antifa then doesn’t that make you Profa? As in you are for fascism? But who the fock is pro-fascism? So what’s the issue, do you not really believe they’re against fascism, or is it their tactics you take issue with—keeping in mind, again, that there is no centralized homogenous organization?

I just don’t get it. Never really have. Seems like you’d have to be a member of Vichy France or something to really have a strong issue with this.

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Antifa doesnt exist but the alt right is an organized group of diabolical right wingers. Got it. 

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21 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Really? Why?

The real fascists are the people constantly demanding what my first and primary concern should always be. Antifa is nothing more than an anti-white/anti-tradition organization, so ya I'm Profa.

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22 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Antifa doesnt exist but the alt right is an organized group of diabolical right wingers. Got it. 

I suppose the difference is the alt right is in power right now. So yeah there’s an administration and so forth. Whether they’re really alt right or just using you is a different conversation, but the ideas and so forth have a centralized expression.

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46 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I know they’re supposed to be some boogeyman but I don’t get it.

First off, there isn’t an actual organization or mastermind out there as far as I can understand. It’s a loose association of people and ideas, no? Sure they talk online or something but what I’m getting at is people act like it’s some shadowy centralized homogenous organization and I don’t believe it is.

Which brings me to another point: these are mostly just idealistic young people. They believed there was a rising fascist tide coming and that they needed to prepare to take it on. Roll your eyes if you want, sure, but these are your boogeymen? Shaggy haired potheads?

Which brings me to another point: they aren’t wrong! There is a rising fascist tide all across Europe and elsewhere. Here too. So these kids are prescient. They saw this coming, back at least around 2010 with the fascist tea party uprising and whispers of Brexit but probably earlier than that even. Most of the rest of us hid our heads in the sand and preferred to believe it couldn’t happen. Well, as so often happens, the young saw the world through a different and more accurate prism, having not become jaded and inured long ago.

And another thing, if your anti-antifa then doesn’t that make you Profa? As in you are for fascism? But who the fock is pro-fascism? So what’s the issue, do you not really believe they’re against fascism, or is it their tactics you take issue with—keeping in mind, again, that there is no centralized homogenous organization?

I just don’t get it. Never really have. Seems like you’d have to be a member of Vichy France or something to really have a strong issue with this.

Im assuming you have no so called "anti fascist" protests near you. Theyre socialist anarchists. They are using BLM to get their foot in the door on destroying Americas systems and rebuilding in the vein of socialism. Are you OK with that?  

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2 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

The real fascists are the people constantly demanding what my first and primary concern should always be. 

Yeah so that’s an interesting point. By railing so hard against intolerance do they themselves become intolerant? An age old problem really, where there’s a tendency to go so far you end up being what you purport to despise.

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Just now, IGotWorms said:

By railing so hard against intolerance do they themselves become intolerant? 

Thats actually not a bad assessment.

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Just now, Fireballer said:

Im assuming you have no so called "anti fascist" protests near you. Theyre socialist anarchists. They are using BLM to get their foot in the door on destroying Americas systems and rebuilding in the vein of socialism. Are you OK with that?  

I went to college with these guys, before “antifa” was a thing. Early prototypes, if you will. Yes they want to tear it down. Isn’t that always the case? Wasn’t our country founded on that principle? Hell Thomas Jefferson would love them.

Look I’m not saying they’re good or bad, I’m just wondering how it is they came to be some kind of new boogeyman and whether that makes sense.

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1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Yeah so that’s an interesting point. By railing so hard against intolerance do they themselves become intolerant? An age old problem really, where there’s a tendency to go so far you end up being what you purport to despise.

Whoever fights monsters.....Nietzsche 

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6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I suppose the difference is the alt right is in power right now. So yeah there’s an administration and so forth. Whether they’re really alt right or just using you is a different conversation, but the ideas and so forth have a centralized expression.

The altright resents the Trump administration you actually don't know what you're talking about.

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5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yeah so that’s an interesting point. By railing so hard against intolerance do they themselves become intolerant? An age old problem really, where there’s a tendency to go so far you end up being what you purport to despise.

Intolerance is cool.

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Jesus you truly are clueless. Have you ever read a history book? 

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12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Whoever fights monsters.....Nietzsche 

I actually don’t know much Nietzsche. A gap in my knowledge base for sure 

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Freedoms of their speech.  Fock someone else’s.  Here is their goal.

Supporters generally seek to stop what they see as fascist, racist and far-right groups from having a platform to promote their views, arguing that public demonstration of those ideas leads to the targeting of marginalized people, including racial minorities, women and members of the L.G.B.T.Q. community.

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24 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I suppose the difference is the alt right is in power right now. So yeah there’s an administration and so forth. Whether they’re really alt right or just using you is a different conversation, but the ideas and so forth have a centralized expression.

Where’s the hideout? 

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2 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Freedoms of their speech.  Fock someone else’s.  Here is their goal.

Supporters generally seek to stop what they see as fascist, racist and far-right groups from having a platform to promote their views, arguing that public demonstration of those ideas leads to the targeting of marginalized people, including racial minorities, women and members of the L.G.B.T.Q. community.

And they use violence to silence other people's speech. There's a reason why they say punch a Nazi. And everyone who isn't them are Nazis.

They are literally the opposite of what it is to be an American.

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Where’s the hideout? 

Holy sh1t we are in power? When did that happen?

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7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I actually don’t know much Nietzsche. A gap in my knowledge base for sure 

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process they don’t become monsters themselves. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss the abyss  will gaze back into you. 

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Where’s the hideout? 

Pennsylvania Avenue. Downing Street. Warsaw. Budapest.

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process they don’t become monsters themselves. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss the abyss  will gaze back into you. 

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Couple things. 1. It’s not some world organization rather a bunch of small ones all over that call themselves other things but lump themselves into so called Antifa. 2. I know they call themselves “anti-fascists” but they aren’t, their actions are the complete opposite.  For example just yesterday a group in Portland were actually burning Bibles (books).

They are Marxist idiots who thrive on anarchy and chaos.  

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1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

I know they’re supposed to be some boogeyman but I don’t get it.

First off, there isn’t an actual organization or mastermind out there as far as I can understand. It’s a loose association of people and ideas, no? Sure they talk online or something but what I’m getting at is people act like it’s some shadowy centralized homogenous organization and I don’t believe it is.

Which brings me to another point: these are mostly just idealistic young people. They believed there was a rising fascist tide coming and that they needed to prepare to take it on. Roll your eyes if you want, sure, but these are your boogeymen? Shaggy haired potheads?

Which brings me to another point: they aren’t wrong! There is a rising fascist tide all across Europe and elsewhere. Here too. So these kids are prescient. They saw this coming, back at least around 2010 with the fascist tea party uprising and whispers of Brexit but probably earlier than that even. Most of the rest of us hid our heads in the sand and preferred to believe it couldn’t happen. Well, as so often happens, the young saw the world through a different and more accurate prism, having not become jaded and inured long ago.

And another thing, if your anti-antifa then doesn’t that make you Profa? As in you are for fascism? But who the fock is pro-fascism? So what’s the issue, do you not really believe they’re against fascism, or is it their tactics you take issue with—keeping in mind, again, that there is no centralized homogenous organization?

I just don’t get it. Never really have. Seems like you’d have to be a member of Vichy France or something to really have a strong issue with this.

Just awful propaganda.  You should never have come back if you were going to engage in this -tier drivel.  They're violent communists - full stop.

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1 minute ago, Casual Observer said:

Just awful propaganda.  You should never have come back if you were going to engage in this -tier drivel.  They're violent communists - full stop.

Sad that you’ve taken to hiding under the bed 😢

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"We can't tolerate opposing views. Anybody who doesn't believe exactly what we believe should be silenced, doxxed and physically attacked. If we don't get what we want, we should resort to violence and mayhem until we get what we want. Agreed?"

"Agreed!"

"Ok, now we need a name. What should we call ourselves?"

"Well, we need a name that doesn't let everyone know what we're all about. Something that throws them off the secent."

"I know, we'll call ourselves ANTI-facist. That way the rubes will believe that we're fighting AGAINST, facism. When in fact that's the very thing we're advocating. It'll be great!" 

"HARUMPH!" "HARUMPH!" "HARUMPH!"

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Also, worms, there is a centralized organization that funnels money to the various groups. Look no further than George Soros. The buck starts and stops with him. 

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History they don't teach you in school. After WWI there was a civil war in Germany. on one saide you had the established government (and no it wasn't the nazis). On the other side, you had the communist. They called themselves antifa. The current version of Antifa took the same logo, but changed some colors.

So yes, Antifa is a communist organization.

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34 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

History they don't teach you in school. After WWI there was a civil war in Germany. on one saide you had the established government (and no it wasn't the nazis). On the other side, you had the communist. They called themselves antifa. The current version of Antifa took the same logo, but changed some colors.

So yes, Antifa is a communist organization.

Might’ve been better than the Nazis at least :dunno:

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7 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

I know they’re supposed to be some boogeyman but I don’t get it.

First off, there isn’t an actual organization or mastermind out there as far as I can understand. It’s a loose association of people and ideas, no? Sure they talk online or something but what I’m getting at is people act like it’s some shadowy centralized homogenous organization and I don’t believe it is.

Which brings me to another point: these are mostly just idealistic young people. They believed there was a rising fascist tide coming and that they needed to prepare to take it on. Roll your eyes if you want, sure, but these are your boogeymen? Shaggy haired potheads?

Which brings me to another point: they aren’t wrong! There is a rising fascist tide all across Europe and elsewhere. Here too. So these kids are prescient. They saw this coming, back at least around 2010 with the fascist tea party uprising and whispers of Brexit but probably earlier than that even. Most of the rest of us hid our heads in the sand and preferred to believe it couldn’t happen. Well, as so often happens, the young saw the world through a different and more accurate prism, having not become jaded and inured long ago.

And another thing, if your anti-antifa then doesn’t that make you Profa? As in you are for fascism? But who the fock is pro-fascism? So what’s the issue, do you not really believe they’re against fascism, or is it their tactics you take issue with—keeping in mind, again, that there is no centralized homogenous organization?

I just don’t get it. Never really have. Seems like you’d have to be a member of Vichy France or something to really have a strong issue with this.

Well at least you got one thing right in your post.

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15 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Might’ve been better than the Nazis at least :dunno:

Except Communism has killed way more than national socialism. So no, it's not better than the nazis.

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8 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

I know they’re supposed to be some boogeyman but I don’t get it.

First off, there isn’t an actual organization or mastermind out there as far as I can understand. It’s a loose association of people and ideas, no? Sure they talk online or something but what I’m getting at is people act like it’s some shadowy centralized homogenous organization and I don’t believe it is.

In war, a loose confederation of people with no clear leader has its uses.  Primarily, without clear leadership to guide them, the most absolute extreme elements can push the group from the shadows.  For example, antifa might take to the streets to protest something, and then a small group of highly organized communists could infiltrate the protest, distribute leaflets, flyers, display signs, attack specific buildings or monuments, and eventually trick the leaderless group into following them.  It doesn't always work but it definitely can work. 

On the other hand, you have the Reichstag Fire.  Shortly after Hitler took office, a arsonist burned the German parliament building.  The arson attack was not highly organized, and in fact he guy (a communist) acted alone.  But Hitler seized upon the event and blamed all the communists in Germany. 

Or you have the George Floyd murder which is another form of Reichstag Fire.  The democrats seize upon Floyd's murder to falsely claim there is widespread corruption in all police departments across the entire nation.  Its absolutely absurd.  Hitler would approve tho.

Democrats are now arguing that Operation Legend is a version of the Reichstag Fire.  Democrats claim Trump is using the civil unrest to unfairly deploy federal police across the entire nation.  They fear Trump will trick protestors into coming out and attacking again, and when it happens and the media defends the protesters, Trump is going to basically suspend freedom of the press using the insurrection act.  I think there is a good chance this is gonna happen.  Trump is going to have to strike down the mainstream press pretty damn soon.

But the general idea is the leaderless protests can be tools for smaller organizaed groups to achieve goals.  That is where they represent a threat.

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Really, the only reason Trump is deploying federal police to city and city after city after city is to get everything established so he can invoke the insurrection act and start arresting democrats.

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7 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Jesus you truly are clueless. Have you ever read a history book? 

No. Her said her went to college remember.  Bet he can tell us how many genders there are though. 

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