Camping: now racist

[listen2me 23 1,542]

1 minute ago, peenie said:

You all are being irrationally mean. The article simply points out that blacks don't camp as much and tries to explain why. I don't know why you have to make fun of the article, start talking about your family history, discuss black crime rate...

I love going hiking and would go camping and kayaking and such but I will tell you why I haven't yet:

 

Seems like a you problem.  

Plenty of people of all colors dont know how to do an activity but learn or at least try.

[drobeski 3,061]

3 minutes ago, peenie said:

You all are being irrationally mean. The article simply points out that blacks don't camp as much and tries to explain why. I don't know why you have to make fun of the article, start talking about your family history, discuss black crime rate...

I love going hiking and would go camping and kayaking and such but I will tell you why I haven't yet:

 

How can you have experience in something if you don't try it ? You should try being less stupid. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,642]

Join the Army. Ask for the infantry. You can camp all you want. 

[peenie 1,690]

2 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Just because we don't believe the next load of crap that the media comes up with to make us feel like racists we are irrationally mean? Ummmm. Ok. 

NO ONE IN THE ARTICLE STATED YOU WERE RACIST, DID YOU EVEN READ IT??????????

LET GO OF YOUR WHITE GUILT

[RLLD 3,455]

2 minutes ago, drobeski said:

How can you have experience in something if you don't try it ? You should try being less stupid. 

Spot on.   People who limit themselves are fine, just dont cry about being limited....

[peenie 1,690]

1 hour ago, drobeski said:

How can you have experience in something if you don't try it ? You should try being less stupid. 

You should try kissing my ass you jerk

I didn't write the article, I was simply trying to help you all understand it's purpose but you all are too sensitive and closed minded to understand. Stay in your hole of ignorance.

Why don't some kids go to rap concerts even though they like rap music?

[Cdub100 3,380]

51 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Agree, I don’t like camping and don’t do it and I don’t care if it is free! Camping does not have to be expensive!

Camping is one of the cheapest things a person can do. You can get a tent at the focking dollar store.

[listen2me 23 1,542]

I had a guy I dormed with freshmen year at college down thr hall.  He spun records and DJd.  I had not a clue how to do any of that as he had all this equipment.  Pne day I asked him if I could give it a go.  He said yes.  I gave it a shot.  He showed me a few tricks.  I sucked at it.  The end.  

Amazing.

[kilroy69 994]

3 minutes ago, peenie said:

NO ONE IN THE ARTICLE STATED YOU WERE RACIST, DID YOU EVEN READ IT??????????

LET GO OF YOUR WHITE GUILT

Is that a joke? Every single day I am reminded of why I should have white guilt. That I should pay for the deeds of my ancestors. 

 

 

You have lost your mind.

[peenie 1,690]

I refuse to discuss this any longer. This thread is deleted.

[listen2me 23 1,542]

Just now, peenie said:

I refuse to discuss this any longer. This thread is deleted.

When you make no sense you take your ball and go home.  You go home a lot.  

[kilroy69 994]

2 minutes ago, peenie said:

I refuse to discuss this any longer. This thread is deleted.

Not sure if you know this or not but you can't peenie someone else's thread. HTH

[Gladiators 1,904]

Peenie - Take a deep breath and have a good rest of your day.  Maybe give your mom or daughter a call.  

[Hardcore troubadour 12,642]

Friend of mine camps all the time. His family is from the Bronx. The only trees he saw were the ones his dog peed on. His father never took him. Yet he found camping. Privilege I guess. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

Can someone post the article?  I'm not going to subscribe to that rag.  I want to see if @peenie is right and people here might be over reacting.

 

Based on portions that she quoted, I think the writer is virtue signaling, but I'd like to see the context.

[kilroy69 994]

10 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Can someone post the article?  I'm not going to subscribe to that rag.  I want to see if @peenie is right and people here might be over reacting.

 

Based on portions that she quoted, I think the writer is virtue signaling, but I'd like to see the context.

I mean the premise now is that people of color don't camping because generations ago they were not allowed IN state parks. Which assumes you can ONLY go camping in a park or some type. My first campsite was my back yard. Then it goes on to say that camping equipment is too expensive for people of color.  Tents are super cheap on eBay. 

Both are flawed premises but peenie thinks we're not woke if we don't agree 

[drobeski 3,061]

33 minutes ago, peenie said:

You should try kissing my ass you jerk

I didn't write the article, I was simply trying to help you all understand it's purpose but you all are too sensitive and closed minded to understand. Stay in your hole of ignorance.

Why don't some kids go to rap concerts even though they like rap music?

I'll pass. Ill just continue to call out you fake outrage scumbags as I see fit. 

Get used to it, your game is old. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,642]

We should set aside sections of national parks for people of color as reparations. Even POC that came here willingly last year. 

[edjr 5,564]

Camping has always been racist. Used to go all the time as a kid, from like 10 to 16 or so. if it's all white, it's alright. 

[The Elevator Killer 497]

Billy Idol wants a white wedding that racist bastage!

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

3 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I mean the premise now is that people of color don't camping because generations ago they were not allowed IN state parks. Which assumes you can ONLY go camping in a park or some type. My first campsite was my back yard. Then it goes on to say that camping equipment is too expensive for people of color.  Tents are super cheap on eBay. 

Both are flawed premises but peenie thinks we're not woke if we don't agree 

After reading the sections she quoted from the article, that's exactly what I was thinking.  I mean, I could understand the problem 75 years ago, but today?  The last 50 years?  C'mon.  When I was in high school I'd go camping with friends, 1 black girl and 1 black guy in the group.  We went to state parks or even private ones.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,642]

I camped out for Springsteen tickets. Next tour I paid a homeless guy to do it for me. America!!

[edjr 5,564]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I camped out for Springsteen tickets. Next tour I paid a homeless guy to do it for me. America!!

you should have paid 2 of them and then they could fight after

[The Elevator Killer 497]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I camped out for Springsteen tickets. Next tour I paid a homeless guy to do it for me. America!!

I used to do that all the time until it went mostly on line. Fun times and got great seats.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,642]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

you should have paid 2 of them and then they could fight after

Regrets, I have a few. 

[Gladiators 1,904]

Camping does require some work, so...

[Djgb13 2,338]

1 hour ago, peenie said:

You all are being irrationally mean. The article simply points out that blacks don't camp as much and tries to explain why. I don't know why you have to make fun of the article, start talking about your family history, discuss black crime rate...

I love going hiking and would go camping and kayaking and such but I will tell you why I haven't yet:

 

Shut up peenie. Go delete another thread

[Tree of Knowledge 833]

Many of the urban outdoorsmen in my area are POC.  

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

1 hour ago, peenie said:

LOLOLOL!!! The article states that the MAIN reason blacks do not go camping is because UNTIL the civil rights movement parks were off limits to blacks! Did you just skip over that part??? That the person who headed up the camping nature movement was openly racist to blacks and native Americans. Due to the history of segregation or barrier to camping, blacks are behind. ALSO due to economic differences blacks haven't learned how to camp and must rely on white friends to take them on the adventure.

You guys are whack for not reading the article properly or with a bias.

You only need to understand the history of Stone Mountain, a public park, to understand why it took time for blacks to enter. You need only to LOOK at Stone Mountain to understand the former barriers.

You all are unreal and close minded and unwilling to see facts and refusing to be sympathetic and just plain mean, INCLUDING YOU VOLTY!!!!

If someone has to be taught how to camp, they will never learn how to do it because they are either lazy as hell or dumb as hell. 

Just like the imaginary white person who stops black people from surfing, that same white dude is stopping blacks from camping

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

2 hours ago, peenie said:

LOLOLOL!!! The article states that the MAIN reason blacks do not go camping is because UNTIL the civil rights movement parks were off limits to blacks! Did you just skip over that part??? That the person who headed up the camping nature movement was openly racist to blacks and native Americans. Due to the history of segregation or barrier to camping, blacks are behind. ALSO due to economic differences blacks haven't learned how to camp and must rely on white friends to take them on the adventure.

You guys are whack for not reading the article properly or with a bias.

You only need to understand the history of Stone Mountain, a public park, to understand why it took time for blacks to enter. You need only to LOOK at Stone Mountain to understand the former barriers.

You all are unreal and close minded and unwilling to see facts and refusing to be sympathetic and just plain mean, INCLUDING YOU VOLTY!!!!

This is why the blacks are behind. Victim mentality. Wah wah, make my life better without making me work hard. Gimme gimme gimme. I deserve things I didn't work for or have no desire to work for. 

[DonS 3,067]

1 hour ago, peenie said:

 

Why don't some kids go to rap concerts even though they like rap music?

Maybe because of the risk of ending up in the middle of a shootout or melee if someone gets disrespected somehow?

[drobeski 3,061]

Is water racist too ? Ice ? 

[Djgb13 2,338]

3 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

This is why the blacks are behind. Victim mentality. Wah wah, make my life better without making me work hard. Gimme gimme gimme. I deserve things I didn't work for or have no desire to work for. 

They don’t realize equality is equal opportunity. Not equal results. 

[Gladiators 1,904]

Just now, DonS said:

Maybe because of the risk of ending up in the middle of a shootout or melee if someone gets disrespected somehow?

Nice to know rap concerts are peaceful.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,642]

2 minutes ago, DonS said:

Maybe because of the risk of ending up in the middle of a shootout or melee if someone gets disrespected somehow?

You might step on someone’s Jordan’s and get shot. 

[Baker Boy 1,485]

Some people just want to be a victim, it is a good excuse for being a loser.
 

The past is what you make of it. You can use it to hurt yourself or others or you can use it to make yourself strong.

 

[posty 2,296]

@TBayXXXVII:  https://www.latimes.com/lifestyle/story/2020-08-10/want-more-people-of-color-in-the-outdoors-give-them-gear

In May, Mo Jackson was camping with a friend in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. They woke at 5 to start a fire, make breakfast and — in the midst of a pandemic — experience the peace that comes with an early morning in a secluded spot.

The beauty of that morning moved Jackson to tears. “I had the most clarifying moment. You know, I just thought, I wish everyone could feel this.”

Jackson realized that, although they could not help everyone feel more connected to nature, they could get a few more people outside by offering free camping gear. “That day I was like, OK, what can I do to get more Black people outdoors? And I thought, well, I have enough savings to get three camping kits together.”

On May 19, Jackson posted on Instagram asking if any people of color wanted a free camping kit. “No need to demonstrate need or anything,” Jackson wrote. “Just ask and we can get something out to you.”

The kit would include two sleeping bags, a tent and a cooler. Jackson included a Venmo account on Instagram so people could donate to the cause.

The post brought in close to $500, which, combined with Jackson’s savings, paid for five camping kits for people who needed gear to get out in nature.

Jackson initially purchased the ready-to-go kits from REI, which cost about $300 each. The kits included quality tents and bags from companies such as Kelty and Wilderness Technology.

Segregation on public lands

Camping is often called America’s favorite outdoor activity. This summer, when many travel options have been eliminated, the go-to vacation has been camping or renting an RV and visiting public lands.

But camping and national parks have a complicated past when it comes to racial equality and equal access for all. National parks have a history of segregation that dates to the 1930s, something that didn’t change until the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Almost all U.S. national parks were originally home to Indigenous populations long before they were set aside as parks. Many of those Native American tribes were pushed off their land, often violently, to create an illusion of untouched landscapes.

Even the Sierra Club, for the first time, in July openly condemned its founder, John Muir, over racist comments in his writings about Black and Indigenous people. The years of segregation, racism and displacement continue to define national parks and other public lands as predominantly white spaces.

A 2018 study by the Society of American Foresters found that between 2010 and 2014, 94.6% of visitors to national forests identified as white. People who identified as Latino made up 5.7%, and those who identified as Black made up 1.2%.

Jackson’s personal experiences bear out those numbers. They grew up camping and hiking but noticed at an early age that not many other families resembled theirs. “My dad and I would almost always be the only Black people at any camp we went to,” Jackson said.

After sending out the first few BIPOC Camping Kits and getting positive responses from people who had received them, Jackson decided to put out another call on Instagram. By then it was July and much had changed.

Protests had swept the nation in the wake of the deaths of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery and Breonna Taylor. Thousands of Americans took to the streets, outraged by the continued disregard for the lives of Black people.

Donations take off

This time the response was much bigger. “People just cared more all of a sudden,” Jackson said. More than 600 people reached out and asked for camping kits. Jackson needed more funding and took the campaign to GoFundme, where, as of Aug. 5, more than $55,000 had been raised.

“I think there is a lot of white guilt right now,” Jackson said, explaining why donations suddenly took off. “We’re all learning and growing; sometimes guilt is part of it too — not that we want guilt and shame, but we do want growth.”

Given the rapid rise of interest in BIPOC Camping Kits, Jackson tapped friends Griffin Ripley, B Sánchez and Hayley Harris to help.

“There are so many Black people in the Pacific Northwest, even though people pretend like we’re not here,” said Harris, who works for a nonprofit. Harris has been helping set up BIPOC Camping Kits as a nonprofit.

Harris didn’t go camping until she was 18. “I went with one of my white friends and her mom — camping wasn’t accessible to me — and I thought it was awesome. But every time I wanted to go camping after that, I had to wait until one of my white friends wanted to go,” Harris said.

The disparity in access to the outdoors is particularly frustrating to Harris, who pointed out that those who could most benefit from being in a rural environment have often felt excluded. “Being in nature is healing,” she said. “People who need that healing most are Black and Indigenous people, and the idea that it’s inaccessible … it’s just not right.”

Harris was excited about Jackson’s initiative because she couldn’t afford to buy her own gear. “Tents are hundreds of dollars, sleeping bags are super expensive, and if you’re really going camping, you can’t scrimp on gear. You could end up freezing at night,” she said.

A smaller outdoors store, Next Adventure, based in Portland, Ore., noticed the initiative on Instagram. “Our followers started to tag us in Mo’s posts,” said Devin Kelly, Next Adventures’ community relations manager. “I contacted Mo and we realized we could help.”

It is an ideal partnership. “We have always believed in helping support our community in getting outdoors,” said Bryan Knudsen, co-owner of Next Adventure.

“Mo and their team wanted to step up; we are just thrilled to support them and help more people get outside,” said Deek Heykamp, another co-owner. The kits assembled with Next Adventure cost $200 to $250.

On Aug. 1, Jackson and the BIPOC Camping Kits team, along with people at Next Adventure, assembled more than 200 kits at the company’s warehouse. Some were customized for people with specific needs or physical disabilities. The kits were shipped across the country Aug. 3.

Jackson had to close the requests for kits once the number reached 600. They will ship the remaining 400 orders in partnership with Next Adventure soon. Jackson will reopen requests for kits once more money has been raised.

One of the first people to reach out to Jackson for a kit was Ale Abreu, who lives in Olympia, Wash. Despite living close to some of the most beautiful outdoors sites in the country, Abreu found camping inaccessible. “I’m working class,” said Abreu. “I was intimidated. Did I have what I needed? Would I be warm and comfortable? Camping is an investment, and I’ve always had to prioritize other bills.”

Abreu received a BIPOC Camping Kit in June. “I’m really impressed. It’s clearly high quality and something I will be able to use again and again.”

After Abreu received the gear, Jackson offered to get on FaceTime and demonstrate how to set up the tent. “Mo wanted to make sure there was no barrier to me enjoying the equipment, which was another added layer of care,” Abreu said.

Abreu used the camping kit to visit the Mt. Rainier area with a friend and is planning a trip to the Columbia River Gorge. “I came away from the trip to Mt. Rainier with more confidence in myself — feeling more connected to nature,” Abreu said.

“It’s a precious gift, especially for someone like myself and, I think, for a lot of people of color,” Abreu said, “because of systemic oppression, because of racism, economics and all these things we have to navigate — it can all result in a de-centering.” Camping, Abreu said, allows re-centering in the midst of social and political chaos. “It’s a moment to catch your breath.”

Jackson intends to expand the BIPOC Camping Kits venture. “Black and Indigenous people have historically had connections to nature and the land that have been stripped from us,” they said. “My bigger picture is full solidarity; it’s going to take all of us coming together to topple these racist systems so we can find our sacred places again, and find peace again, together.”

[Hardcore troubadour 12,642]

Don’t a lot of them get yard time already? Even the guys in solitary confinement get an hour a day.  

[edjr 5,564]

blacks get the ghetto, injuns get casinos, give is camping for christ sake

[Fireballer 2,381]

BLM should really be doing this at their local KOA or state park. Thats were the real racists are.