posty 2,296 Posted September 25, 2020 I told torn that I probably won't be back next year so I didn't want to leave the team in a bad situation (when I was making roster moves), but I started thinking... I know that some have been talking about/wanting to go to roto and in the past some of us (including me) was against it... Now I am kind of thinking about it... However, I was wanting to get to a point where we can have no pickup restrictions at 70 per year, so if we wanted to make 200, we could... Initially the restriction came because of streaming, but if we can come up with a 4x4 or 5x5 league of stats that can try to balance out everything where streaming would be a crapshoot, then I would really consider wanting to switch to roto... There is a maximum innings pitched limit and games played limit per position, I don't think that there is a minimum for the season, but categories would have to be used that can be exploited... For example, let's say we did 4x4 and the pitching categories were Saves+Holds, ERA, WHIP, K/9... Someone has one relief pitcher going the first day and they strikeout the side in one inning of work... They could never pitch again and win ERA/WHIP with 0.00 and K/9 with 27.0... That would give them 37 pitching points (First in three categories and last in Saves+Holds) out of 48, that is pretty damn good... Then they could take their top pitchers and trade them for top hitters and just care about batting... Though a good idea, I think this would make it not fun at all... I also don't want to use the normal defaults of R, HR, RBI, SB, AVG and W, Sv, K, ERA, WHIP as that would open up to streaming, though the maximum innings limit would help... Anyway, here are the categories at Yahoo: HITTERS Abbreviation Description Calculation (Composite stats for both individual players and fantasy teams) 1B Singles 2B Doubles 3B Triples A Assists AB At Bats AVG Batting Average Hits / At Bats BB Walks CI Catcher Interference CS Caught Stealing CYC Hitting for the Cycle DPT Double Plays Turned E Errors FPCT Fielding Percentage (Putouts + Assists) / (Putouts + Assists + Errors) GIDP Ground Into Double Play GP Games Played H Hits HBP Hit By Pitch HR Home Runs OBP On-base Percentage (Hits + Walks + Hit By Pitch) / (At Bats + Walks + Hit By Pitch + Sacrifice Flys) OFA Outfield Assists OPS On-base + Slugging Percentage On-Base Percentage + Slugging Percentage PA Plate Appearances PO Putouts R Runs Scored RBI Runs Batted In SB% Stolen Base Percentage Stolen Bases / (Stolen Bases + Caught Stealing) SB Stolen Bases SF Sacrifice Flys SH Sacrifice Hits SLAM Grand Slam Home Runs SLG Slugging Percentage Total Bases / At Bats TB Total Bases XBH Extra Base Hits PITCHERS Abbreviation Description Calculation (Composite stats for both individual players and fantasy teams) 1BA Singles Allowed 2BA Doubles Allowed 3BA Triples Allowed APP Appearances BB/9 Walks Per Nine Innings (Walks * 27) / Outs BB Walks BK Balks BSV Blown Saves CG Complete Games ER Earned Runs ERA Earned Run Average (Earned Runs * 9) / Innings Pitched GIDP Batters Grounded Into Double Plays GS Games Started H/9 Hits Per Nine Innings (Hits * 27) / Outs H Hits HBP Hit Batters HLD Holds HR Home Runs IBB Intentional Walks IP Innings Pitched IRA Inherited Runners Allowed K/9 Strikeouts per Nine Innings (Strikeouts / Innings Pitched) * 9 K/BB Strikeout to Walk Ratio Strikeouts / Walks K Strikeouts L Losses NH No Hitters NSV Net Saves Saves - Blown Saves SV+HLD Saves + Holds Saves + Holds NSV+HLD Net Saves and Holds (Saves - Blown Saves) + Holds OBPA On-base Percentage Against (Hits Allowed + Walks + Hit Batters) / Total Batters OUT Outs PC Pitch Count PG Perfect Games PICK Pickoffs QS Quality Starts RAPP Relief Appearances RL Relief Losses RW Relief Wins SB Stolen Bases Allowed SHO Shutouts SV% Save Percentage Saves / Save Opportunities SV Saves SVOP Save Opportunities TB Total Bases Allowed Hits + Doubles + (Triples * 2) + (Home Runs * 3) TBF Total Batters Faced W Wins WHIP (Walks + Hits) / Innings Pitched (Walks + Hits) / Innings Pitched WIN% Winning Percentage Wins / (Wins + Losses) WP Wild Pitches If anyone has any thoughts they would like to add, please do so... I am going to start looking and trying to come up with something I think could work... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted September 25, 2020 First run through, I have a 5x5: Hitters AVG (sluggers can hit for average, but "most" of the time that isn't the case) OBP (will help out the big hitters that have a good eye, but the non-sluggers can benefit as well) SLG (this is for sluggers or players that get XBH) R (what the object is, to score runs, everyone does it, good, bad, slap hitters, home run hitters) SB (though not thought of as much any more, this will help the players that might hit for low average but are fast) Thoughts: Steaming would be difficult for runs and stolen bases... It can be done, but chasing runs scored and stolen bases would be more fair with the categories than HR/RBI and other counting categories... Plus HR/RBI would elevate home run hitters more, which is why we added strikeouts for hitters in the H2H league to offset that... Pitchers ERA WHIP K/9 Saves + Holds (or Net Saves + Holds) QS Thoughts: Going K/9 would avoid the streaming for getting strikeouts only, which is one of the reasons for adding losses in the past... Going Saves (or Net Saves) + Holds would combine two categories into one... Relievers can really help with ERA, WHIP and K/9, but they could really hurt it more since they might only go an inning where a starter might be able to go a little longer... Wins are a crap shoot to begin with especially with the relief pitching now, maybe going with quality starts instead would be a little better... The only thing that streaming would help would be chasing quality starts and maybe having all RP to punt QS and work on the other four categories... That was why I was hoping that Yahoo has a minimum innings for roto that can be set, though I don't think it does... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torn 42 Posted September 25, 2020 I'm OK with going to a roto format. This is the only league I play in that is H2H, so I'm pretty comfortable with the nuances of playing that format. Based on Games Played limits and Max IP Limits, streaming can be curtailed pretty easily while still allowing for unlimited moves. My other 2 roto leagues simply have a 162 games played limit for each position and a seasonal 1400 IP limit. We could tweak that if desired, but still have a ceiling to prevent things from getting too crazy. You are correct that there is no minimum IP limit for roto, only a max. As for stats to use, we could circle back to that if folks are onboard, but some initial thoughts: I'd think that HR's and RBIs should be in there. Having Runs, SBs and with BA related stats and no power stats devalues big sluggers too much, IMO. All of a sudden, Trea Turner/Whit Merrifield types are MVPs and guys like Arenado and Freeman become JAGs. Like K/9 and QS as stats. I agree that W's are way to fickle, especially in the age of openers. I'm open on S+H, but it may dilute the RP market to the point of "who cares" - why waste an early pick (or a keeper slot) on a closer if I can just keep plucking holds guys off the WW all season long? I'd lean towards keeping the 2 categories separated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted September 25, 2020 24 minutes ago, Torn said: I'd think that HR's and RBIs should be in there. Having Runs, SBs and with BA related stats and no power stats devalues big sluggers too much, IMO. All of a sudden, Trea Turner/Whit Merrifield types are MVPs and guys like Arenado and Freeman become JAGs. That is what SLG is for, but I see what you are saying... I would just like to make sure all positions are useful, which is why holds was added... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torn 42 Posted September 27, 2020 Another consideration of going to roto is the effect on our draft order process. In the current format, there is an incentive to staying active in the consolation bracket by getting your preferred draft slot in the next season. Not sure how we could mimic something like that with roto scoring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted September 28, 2020 Another option would be to go to a points system and use the one that Sandbox (remember them) had... Runs = 1 point Single = 1 point Double = 2 points Triple = 3 points Homerun = 4 points RBI = 1 point SAC = 1 point SF = 1 point SB = 2 points CS = -1 point Walk = 1 point HBP = 1 point Strikeout = -1 point GIDP = -1 point Wins = 10 points Losses = -5 points CG = 5 points SHO = 10 points Saves = 15 points Out = 1 point Hit allowed = -1 point ER = -1 point Walk = -1 point Strikeout = 1 point Save Opp. = -5 points (This was their way of doing blown saves, which that category (BSV) now exists) I just checked and all of these categories are available for use if we want to implement a point system that was identical to Sandbox... Also, maybe we could switch up and just make it pitchers instead of SP/RP designation and drop it to seven or eight (from nine) and have an innings limit of course... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,170 Posted October 6, 2020 I hate to always be the negative Nancy but I’ll go ahead and say I don’t like it for the following reason No problem with roto, problem however with switching to roto in essentially a deep keeper league where rosters have already been drafted with another format in mind. Now, we’ve also added ANOTHER keeper for 2021. if we change to roto I would prefer to do it for 2022 so that owners can take the new format change into mind when selecting keepers and drafting their 2021 rosters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
