Gratefulegg1973 253 Posted December 28, 2020 This is always a hard thread, because it's hard to factor injuries. Should we look at say McCaffrey or Mixon differently than Barkley? I do. So without further ado, here are my candidates: QB: Lamar Jackson: He was going in the 1st or 2nd round in drafts, and was extremely average this year Russel Wilson: Looked like a league winner to start Matt Ryan: I expected a big year from him with Ridley and Julio. Not so much RB: McCaffrey: Hard to fault a man for being injured. But multiple injuries over and over again? Dude was the #1 pick and sunk many a season Elliott: Typically went 4th and was literally unplayable the last 6 weeks. MIxon: Here's another 1 round pansy that couldn't stay on the field WR: Thomas. What a piece of garbage. Had what, one good game? Suspended for beating up a teammate? Golloday: Missed the 1st two games, played one or two, then was 'day to day' for 12 weeks. Chark: Could easily put guys like Julio on the list, but at least he had good games the few times he was healthy. Chark was going as a WR2 in some leagues and was unstartable TE: Ertz: lol what the hell happened to this guy? Engram: Hate to label him a bust since he was never very good. Higbee: People were expecting him to make the leap into the upper tier this year. Instead he was awful. Well there you have my suggestions (yes I am this bored). Unfortunately i had a lot of these bums this year. My picks for the winners: Wilson Elliott Thomas Ertz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 402 Posted December 28, 2020 Some good candidates, but I would definitely say Michael Thomas. He just simply fell off the proverbial cliff for reasons that can't reasonably be explained. McCaffrey, yes injuries happen, although the writing was certainly on the wall given his workload in recent years Zeke, the Cowboys were a complete mess, losing their starting QB and pretty much entire OL, and having a defense so poor that they had to pass all the time. Lamar Jackson, QBs that mostly rely on their legs for points are wildly inconsistent year to year, this is nothing new. Ertz, he's the 3rd or 4th TE going into the season, so it's hard to say he's the biggest bust just due to that alone Wilson, I don't really know how you can call a guy who accounts for 4500 yards and over 40 TDs a big time bust Chark, he plays for the Jaguars and was never legitimately more than a WR2 to begin with Golladay, see McCaffrey Matt Ryan, he had a pretty typical Matt Ryan year. Some good games followed by ones so bad you cut him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,029 Posted December 28, 2020 Devante Parker disappeared when Tua took over in Miami. I don’t think people expected Devin Singletary to be a top-10 back, but he was way worse than you’d expect given his ADP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrokh 568 Posted December 28, 2020 Zeke in the non-injury category, especially as a consensus top 3 pick. Michael Thomas by a landslide in the injured category. It always seemed like he was coming back the next game, and never did, just hamstringing his owners... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 994 Posted December 29, 2020 CEH was a bust from the standpoint he went in the first round of a lot of drafts and just did not play near well enough to justify that cost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted December 29, 2020 Top 8 in our draft was: 1. McCaffrey 2. Barkley 3. Zeke 4. Henry 5. Kamara 6. CEH 7. Michael Thomas 8. Mixon I think that anyone of those other than Henry or Kamara is up for debate. In our league, those teams played in the championship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted December 29, 2020 Drake CEH the Zeke Gurley Z Moss. Once again non ppr. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,799 Posted December 29, 2020 Drake had a couple duds but didn’t he finish as a top 12 RB? Over 1,000 all-purpose yards and 10 TD’s with 1 game to go is not too shabby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,799 Posted December 29, 2020 I think I’d put Golladay in the Michael Thomas category just of course he wasn’t drafted as high. At least other guys could have been put on IR or dropped, this dude was just taking up a roster spot most of the season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lod001 1,237 Posted December 29, 2020 My fockin team. Wentz Bell Ingram - traded his sorry ass. Sutton Big Puss Golladay Hooper - cut his ass for Tonyan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted December 29, 2020 19 hours ago, jrokh said: Zeke in the non-injury category, especially as a consensus top 3 pick. Michael Thomas by a landslide in the injured category. It always seemed like he was coming back the next game, and never did, just hamstringing his owners... Agreed, Elliot and Thomas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
easilyscan 558 Posted December 29, 2020 WR's Marquise Brown: He's picked it up the last 5 weeks (1 td in 4 of the games) but the yardage totals were/are much lower than expected. Cooper Kupp: Receiving yards of 974 are 'OK' but only 3 receiving touchdowns hurt. *Now he's been placed on the COVID-19 list* Cards D looking up for anyone who plays in week 17! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted December 29, 2020 8 hours ago, TimHauck said: Drake had a couple duds but didn’t he finish as a top 12 RB? Over 1,000 all-purpose yards and 10 TD’s with 1 game to go is not too shabby He finished 16th in avg per game non ppr, he was being draft as a low rb1 high rb2. And that’s why I listed him. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted December 29, 2020 Te. Hurst Fant Engram. Wr Godwin Juju Chark Lockett, I know his avg is pretty good pr game non ppr, but he had four good games worthy of a wr2, after those four he was awfull. Non ppr. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted December 29, 2020 8 hours ago, lod001 said: My fockin team. Wentz Bell Ingram - traded his sorry ass. Sutton Big Puss Golladay Hooper - cut his ass for Tonyan. You didn’t draft Bell as a rb1 and then draft Ingram as a Rb2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted December 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, weepaws said: He finished 16th in avg per game non ppr, he was being draft as a low rb1 high rb2. And that’s why I listed him. Thanks. Maybe so, but there's something to availability too. He was 11th amongst RBs in total scoring in standard leagues. Yes I'd rather have a Nick Chubb with roughly the same total points in fewer games, but I'd rather have had Drake than Carson who had slightly more average points but a lot fewer games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted December 29, 2020 1 minute ago, t.j said: Maybe so, but there's something to availability too. He was 11th amongst RBs in total scoring in standard leagues. Yes I'd rather have a Nick Chubb with roughly the same total points in more games, but I'd rather have had Drake than Carson who had slightly more average points but a lot fewer games. Lol of course, Carson missed more games , but Carson was more productive when he did play. N One can’t count on injuries happening, they can happen to any player any season, I rank based on production, Carson was more productive when he played , now I would rather have all the most productive players , and have them play all 16 games, doesn’t always happen. I mean I can’t list let’s say Mccaffery on this list, he wasn’t a bust, he was a player that was injured, but those three games he did avg 23 points per game. I list players that played in at least half the games. So 16 in avg non ppr, is still 16 in avg non ppr, no matter how one wants to see it. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted December 29, 2020 Just now, weepaws said: Lol of course, Carson missed more games , but Carson was more productive when he did play. Not by much more productive when he played though, which was my point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted December 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, t.j said: Not by much more productive when he played though, which was my point. I guess if you don’t see 2 more points per game avg much of a difference, that’s ok with me, I see it has two more points per game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, weepaws said: I guess if you don’t see 2 more points per game avg much of a difference, that’s ok with me, I see it has two more points per game. I'm seeing it as 12.95 in 11 games vs 11.65 in 14 games. So that's only a difference of 1.3 ppg, with 3 fewer games played. Personally I'll take Drake with those numbers but I'll concede that it's debatable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,799 Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, weepaws said: He finished 16th in avg per game non ppr, he was being draft as a low rb1 high rb2. And that’s why I listed him. Thanks. How many games needed to be played to get in the ranking? Even still, would the 4th best RB2 not qualify as a “high RB2”? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, TimHauck said: How many games needed to be played to get in the ranking? Even still, would the 4th best RB2 not qualify as a “high RB2”? I think that’s up to the person drafting him. How many games needed to be played , for me I rank players on these end of season list that play no less then half of their teams games , just me. I can’t rank a player that played 3 games like Mccaffery and call him a bust. He was being drafted has a low rb1-high rb2, I can’t help it if you don’t like that. I think he fell short of that at number 16 Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,799 Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, weepaws said: I think that’s up to the person drafting him. How many games needed to be played , for me I rank players on these end of season list that play no less then half of their teams games , just me. I can’t rank a player that played 3 games like Mccaffery and call him a bust. He was being drafted has a low rb1-high rb2, I can’t help it if you don’t like that. I think he fell short of that at number 16 Thanks Fair enough, just curious where the line was for games played. I saw you say 8 games earlier, wasn't sure if that was the same thing. Obviously it's up to each person but for me personally, I'd probably rather have had Drake over someone that might've had a slightly better average but only played like 8-11 games. Maybe that guy was a little better when he played, but unless you had good backups, you were likely giving up more than that (plus taking up a roster spot if they weren't on IR) for the games they didn't play. Drake didn't necessarily live up to expectations, but even by your own standards he really only finished maybe a couple spots below where he was drafted. I'm not sure that qualifies as in the running for "bust of the year" IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted December 30, 2020 I would rather have Drake over someone playing less games, he would produce more ff points for my team. But I don’t know who’s going to miss games. But once again he didn’t produce rb1 points either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lod001 1,237 Posted December 30, 2020 16 hours ago, weepaws said: You didn’t draft Bell as a rb1 and then draft Ingram as a Rb2? Dynasty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,799 Posted December 30, 2020 11 hours ago, weepaws said: I would rather have Drake over someone playing less games, he would produce more ff points for my team. But I don’t know who’s going to miss games. But once again he didn’t produce rb1 points either. What was his rank in total points in your league? If you’re comparing to where they were drafted I think that is the more accurate ranking. According to FFtoday’s ADP for 12 team non-PPR, he was the #12 RB in terms of ADP—technically an RB1, but barely. I think he finished within a couple spots of that in terms of total points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,799 Posted December 30, 2020 I think it speaks more to the volatility at RB than anything. Even though Drake’s numbers weren’t necessarily great, they weren’t far off from where he was drafted. Top 12 RB’s in my PPR league by total points and where their ADP was (12-team PPR) 1. Kamara - 1.06 2. Cook - 1.06 3. Henry - 1.07 4. James Robinson - undrafted 5. Aaron Jones - 2.05 6. David Montgomery - 5.10 7. Jonathan Taylor - 3.06 (this one is kinda amazing too since he might’ve even got dropped in some leagues in the middle of the season) 8. Kareem Hunt - 5.03 9. Josh Jacobs - 1.09 10. Elliot - 1.03 11. Mike Davis - undrafted 12. Antonio Gibson - 6.02 So you were just as likely to find a top 12 RB in the 5th round or later as you were to find one in the 1st round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted December 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, TimHauck said: What was his rank in total points in your league? If you’re comparing to where they were drafted I think that is the more accurate ranking. According to FFtoday’s ADP for 12 team non-PPR, he was the #12 RB in terms of ADP—technically an RB1, but barely. I think he finished within a couple spots of that in terms of total points. I didn’t say anything about total points, I said his avg in non ppr. And his avg ranks him 16th, he was a rb1 on most draft sits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted December 30, 2020 Drake is one of five Rbs I listed. I think the biggest bust based on opportunity and the team he plays on, would be CEH. But I’m comfortable with all five of them as candidates on my list. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,799 Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, weepaws said: I didn’t say anything about total points, I said his avg in non ppr. And his avg ranks him 16th, he was a rb1 on most draft sits. I know, I just think using an average so that guys who played in 4+ less games than him are higher isn’t really fair. But to each his own Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted December 30, 2020 Not that he was a top pick, but I felt great having Devante Parker as my WR3 after Hopkins and Diggs. It appears he has a lot of dog in him. Going to Tua didn’t help either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, TimHauck said: I know, I just think using an average so that guys who played in 4+ less games than him are higher isn’t really fair. But to each his own I think using avg shows true game by game production. Now I see your point, they scored less ff points, and of course they did, cause they played less games, but I’ve also used avg for my own rankings, I find avg per game to be more in line of ones weekly production, can’t even come close to predict injuries. Its how I rank my players, as you say each their own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted December 30, 2020 48 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Not that he was a top pick, but I felt great having Devante Parker as my WR3 after Hopkins and Diggs. It appears he has a lot of dog in him. Going to Tua didn’t help either. Going to Tua was a killer to Parker. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,029 Posted January 3, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 5:55 PM, weepaws said: Going to Tua was a killer to Parker. Their coach should be fired. The Miami defense was actually good this year, and if they let Fitz play they might have gotten into the playoffs. Reminds me of when the Bills had Doug Flutie and JP Losman and the coaches kept trying to bench Flutie if he even had one bad pass because they were convinced Losman was the “answer” at QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, dogcows said: Their coach should be fired. The Miami defense was actually good this year, and if they let Fitz play they might have gotten into the playoffs. Reminds me of when the Bills had Doug Flutie and JP Losman and the coaches kept trying to bench Flutie if he even had one bad pass because they were convinced Losman was the “answer” at QB. Agreed. I could understand if their team was awfull making that move, but that move was a mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huskyhater75 242 Posted January 4, 2021 On 12/28/2020 at 8:38 PM, Patriotsfatboy1 said: Top 8 in our draft was: 1. McCaffrey 2. Barkley 3. Zeke 4. Henry 5. Kamara 6. CEH 7. Michael Thomas 8. Mixon I think that anyone of those other than Henry or Kamara is up for debate. In our league, those teams played in the championship I got Henry at #8 and I played championship game against the guy with Kamara, and I got smoked-BIG time! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huskyhater75 242 Posted January 4, 2021 My personal “bust” was Thielen. Every time I played him it’d be one of those 3 target days when it was a good matchup, when I didn’t play him he’d get a TD and more, while Jefferson would have a great day. When I finally benched Thielen for good I won my last 3 and made it to title game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted January 4, 2021 Me. I cut Jefferson after week 2. Opponent rode him and took my money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted January 4, 2021 5 hours ago, huskyhater75 said: My personal “bust” was Thielen. Every time I played him it’d be one of those 3 target days when it was a good matchup, when I didn’t play him he’d get a TD and more, while Jefferson would have a great day. When I finally benched Thielen for good I won my last 3 and made it to title game. So you're advertising the fantasy smarts to start a top 10 fantasy WR only four times during the season--those four weeks in which he didn't score--and you're blaming Thielen? lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 128 Posted January 4, 2021 I'd say leave out players who were injured. That's just purely incidental. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites