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In a dynasty, what would you seek for QB Watson?

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I need draft picks and QBs. Superflex league. 

I was offered Mac Jones and Newton, or Taysom Hill and 2022 first round pick for Watson. 

What rookies or picks would you pay for Watson? Anything?

 

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I'd probably give up no more than a used Kleenex and a bent paper clip for him, so I don't know why you haven't accepted one of those offers already.

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I have him in one league and I'm not selling unless someone makes a unbelievable offer.  

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1 hour ago, Super Cubs said:

I have him in one league and I'm not selling unless someone makes a unbelievable offer.  

If someone in your league makes you an unbelievable offer for Watson , try as hard as you can to keep that person in your league , that owners is going to be good for filling up ones wallet. 

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How can someone make an offer for a player that has so much legal issues, i would be careful of him going forward, I can see him having problems mount up one problem after another just like J Gordon.  

I wouldn’t want him on my dynasty team.  

So i would take M Jones and Cam if you need a Qb for this upcoming season, if not take the first round pick and T Hill. 

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2 hours ago, weepaws said:

How can someone make an offer for a player that has so much legal issues, i would be careful of him going forward, I can see him having problems mount up one problem after another just like J Gordon.  

I wouldn’t want him on my dynasty team.  

So i would take M Jones and Cam if you need a Qb for this upcoming season, if not take the first round pick and T Hill. 

Wow, horribly stupid take

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I offered Rodgers for Watson straight up before all the Rodgers won't play for the Packers stuff became public.  

Rejected outright.

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13 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

I need draft picks and QBs. Superflex league. 

I was offered Mac Jones and Newton, or Taysom Hill and 2022 first round pick for Watson. 

What rookies or picks would you pay for Watson? Anything?

 

I'd hold on to him.  He's going to play at some point.  Now, it may not be this year, but he's going to play.  Here's the thing, now one is going to give you anything of value.  You're seeing it with the offers.  Mac Jones is a total unknown, Newton blows, Hill may not even start and just one pick in the first round?   Nah.  None of those 4 will help you this year.  So, if Watson doesn't help you and neither of those 4 will help you... so why trade?

If I wanted Watson, I'd try to see if I had any players that I thought were "sell high" guys that I don't think will ever be anything more than "ok" players.  Maybe someone like Chase Claypool, Chase Edmonds, or Myles Gaskin.  Possibly a player who's name is bigger than his production like Odell Beckham Jr or Juju.

I wouldn't trade any picks though.

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8 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Wow, horribly stupid take

I dont know if its THAT dumb.

Watson is a player with enough risk that a prudent owner doesnt pay top dollar for.

most of your dynasty players value is in the next 3 years and at least one or two years will be botched with this legal situation.   what concerns me is also what we dont know

either way, I cant blame the guy for wanting to avoid him.

7 hours ago, nobody said:

I offered Rodgers for Watson straight up before all the Rodgers won't play for the Packers stuff became public.  

Rejected outright.

He Rejected this offer?    I'd say its a far better offer than he deserved.  I suspect he will regret that decision and you will be the better team long term for having not made this deal.

I still think Rodgers plays.   Not necessarily in Green Bay, but he will play.   Cant necessarily say the same about Watson.

 

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3 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

He Rejected this offer?    I'd say its a far better offer than he deserved.  I suspect he will regret that decision and you will be the better team long term for having not made this deal.

I still think Rodgers plays.   Not necessarily in Green Bay, but he will play.   Cant necessarily say the same about Watson.

 

I don't know, I think I'd have rejected that offer as well.  I think there's a much higher chance that Watson is in the league than Rodgers in 2022.  We know the NFL doesn't penalize players that long for anything... especially the good ones.  He'll be back and he's only 26 years old.  Rodgers actually just may retire.  I think it's really 50/50 on whether he plays or not this year.  I'm like 75/25 Watson plays.  The league will suspend Watson, but my guess is that it'll only be 8 games.  Heck, he may not even get that suspension until next year.

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ignore all the answers saying to take anything you can get for him, a kleenex, etc... Ignore comparisons to Josh Gordon. Why we would compare Watson to Gordon and not Kareem Hunt / Tyreek Hill / Adrian Peterson etc is beyond me. A substance abuse issue is something that maybe you can't beat and will derail your career. What's going on with Watson falls more in the category of the other three I mentioned.

As a few others have mentioned, no one is going to offer you good value right now. So the answer is, you just hold him. He's going to play again. There are already rumors that these charges will go away / be settled. He probably ends up on the commissioners exempt list and probably gets a suspension but he's young and one of the most talented QB's in the game. You just have to wait it out.

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45 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I'd hold on to him.  He's going to play at some point.  Now, it may not be this year, but he's going to play.  Here's the thing, now one is going to give you anything of value.  You're seeing it with the offers.  Mac Jones is a total unknown, Newton blows, Hill may not even start and just one pick in the first round?   Nah.  None of those 4 will help you this year.  So, if Watson doesn't help you and neither of those 4 will help you... so why trade?

If I wanted Watson, I'd try to see if I had any players that I thought were "sell high" guys that I don't think will ever be anything more than "ok" players.  Maybe someone like Chase Claypool, Chase Edmonds, or Myles Gaskin.  Possibly a player who's name is bigger than his production like Odell Beckham Jr or Juju.

I wouldn't trade any picks though.

There is a lot of time before the season, and only one guy has even made an offer. Those two above actually. That guy does have Fields on his team though. I may counter for Fields and a first round pick. Not sure how strongly he feels about Fields. And he is a Bears fan to boot. I'm kind of in QB hell and we need two decent QBs to really compete in this league. 

But in the end, if I just stick with Watson in the end I think he should be fine at some point. It's just up in the air for the next year or two.

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4 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

There is a lot of time before the season, and only one guy has even made an offer. Those two above actually. That guy does have Fields on his team though. I may counter for Fields and a first round pick. Not sure how strongly he feels about Fields. And he is a Bears fan to boot. I'm kind of in QB hell and we need two decent QBs to really compete in this league. 

But in the end, if just stick with Watson in the end I think he should be fine at some point. It's just up in the air for the next year or two.

What does your roster look like?

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8 hours ago, nobody said:

I offered Rodgers for Watson straight up before all the Rodgers won't play for the Packers stuff became public.  

Rejected outright.

Now that’s unbelievable 

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1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I'd hold on to him.  He's going to play at some point.  Now, it may not be this year, but he's going to play.  Here's the thing, now one is going to give you anything of value.  You're seeing it with the offers.  Mac Jones is a total unknown, Newton blows, Hill may not even start and just one pick in the first round?   Nah.  None of those 4 will help you this year.  So, if Watson doesn't help you and neither of those 4 will help you... so why trade?

If I wanted Watson, I'd try to see if I had any players that I thought were "sell high" guys that I don't think will ever be anything more than "ok" players.  Maybe someone like Chase Claypool, Chase Edmonds, or Myles Gaskin.  Possibly a player who's name is bigger than his production like Odell Beckham Jr or Juju.

I wouldn't trade any picks though.

Hurry up and trade

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1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

ignore all the answers saying to take anything you can get for him, a kleenex, etc... Ignore comparisons to Josh Gordon. Why we would compare Watson to Gordon and not Kareem Hunt / Tyreek Hill / Adrian Peterson etc is beyond me. A substance abuse issue is something that maybe you can't beat and will derail your career. What's going on with Watson falls more in the category of the other three I mentioned.

As a few others have mentioned, no one is going to offer you good value right now. So the answer is, you just hold him. He's going to play again. There are already rumors that these charges will go away / be settled. He probably ends up on the commissioners exempt list and probably gets a suspension but he's young and one of the most talented QB's in the game. You just have to wait it out.

Trade him quickly. Hill And Hunt and Peterson reformed , I think where ever Watson goes, so will more issues, a continuous problem just like mr Gordon. 

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52 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

There is a lot of time before the season, and only one guy has even made an offer. Those two above actually. That guy does have Fields on his team though. I may counter for Fields and a first round pick. Not sure how strongly he feels about Fields. And he is a Bears fan to boot. I'm kind of in QB hell and we need two decent QBs to really compete in this league. 

But in the end, if I just stick with Watson in the end I think he should be fine at some point. It's just up in the air for the next year or two.

I would make a deal quickly 

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I see more problems coming his way.  Just a gut felling.  

I would get a deal done.  

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1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

What does your roster look like?

That guy won't let go of Fields. So that's off the table. Unless I send him "$100,000 dollars, a pound of blow, and three female Italian escorts" he said, but I'm keeping those.  

Now he's offering Daniel Jones and a first round pick next year for Watson.

This was a new league started last year. Had best regular season record of the 12 teams, then bombed in the playoffs.

So I made trades to prepare for reload after the whole Watson thing, which net me 2 more first round picks next year and Trey Lance.

Watson and Lance are my only QBs worth mentioning. 

RBs: Singletary, C. Akers, K. Hunt, Boston Scott, and some other dudes.

WR: K. Allen, D Parker, J. Brown, L Shenault, D. Duvernay, and some others

TE:  M. Andrews, Higbee and some others..

This is my secondary league as it's only a $50 a year deal. But I wanted to give dynasty a try and these are all some good guys that are in the league.

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11 minutes ago, weepaws said:

I would make a deal quickly 

I don't think this needs to be a quick deal. I have a little time to think about it. 

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9 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

That guy won't let go of Fields. So that's off the table. Unless I send him "$100,000 dollars, a pound of blow, and three female Italian escorts" he said, but I'm keeping those.  

Now he's offering Daniel Jones and a first round pick next year for Watson.

This was a new league started last year. Had best regular season record of the 12 teams, then bombed in the playoffs.

So I made trades to prepare for reload after the whole Watson thing, which net me 2 more first round picks next year and Trey Lance.

Watson and Lance are my only QBs worth mentioning. Also drafted J. Newman from philly as a late rookie pick.

RBs: Singletary, C. Akers, K. Hunt, Boston Scott, and some other dudes.

WR: K. Allen, D Parker, J. Brown, L Shenault, D. Duvernay, and some others

TE:  M. Andrews, Higbee and some others..

This is my secondary league as it's only a $50 a year deal. But I wanted to give dynasty a try and these are all some good guys that are in the league.

D Jones and a first round pick next season, take it , hurry. N

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Sorry but I just have feeling that what Watson is going through is only the beginning,  

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25 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

That guy won't let go of Fields. So that's off the table. Unless I send him "$100,000 dollars, a pound of blow, and three female Italian escorts" he said, but I'm keeping those.  

Now he's offering Daniel Jones and a first round pick next year for Watson.

This was a new league started last year. Had best regular season record of the 12 teams, then bombed in the playoffs.

So I made trades to prepare for reload after the whole Watson thing, which net me 2 more first round picks next year and Trey Lance.

Watson and Lance are my only QBs worth mentioning. 

RBs: Singletary, C. Akers, K. Hunt, Boston Scott, and some other dudes.

WR: K. Allen, D Parker, J. Brown, L Shenault, D. Duvernay, and some others

TE:  M. Andrews, Higbee and some others..

This is my secondary league as it's only a $50 a year deal. But I wanted to give dynasty a try and these are all some good guys that are in the league.

You only have Watson and Lance, and you didn't hit "ACCEPT" two seconds after being offered Daniel Jones (the highest-rated deep passer in the NFL) AND a first round pick?

Heck, Jones will probly be better than Watson even if Watson plays this year, with all the new and newly healthy weapons Jones now has at his disposal!

If you don't take that deal, I hope you come in last place every year from now on--you'll deserve it.

And don't tell me you seriously thought you could get the high first round pick stud rookie QB away from a fan of the team that drafted him--for a QB facing a possibly lengthy suspension--did you?

What DO they teach in these schools...?

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10 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

You only have Watson and Lance, and you didn't hit "ACCEPT" two seconds after being offered Daniel Jones (the highest-rated deep passer in the NFL) AND a first round pick?

Heck, Jones will probly be better than Watson even if Watson plays this year, with all the new and newly healthy weapons Jones now has at his disposal!

If you don't take that deal, I hope you come in last place every year from now on--you'll deserve it.

And don't tell me you seriously thought you could get the high first round pick stud rookie QB away from a fan of the team that drafted him--for a QB facing a possibly lengthy suspension--did you?

What DO they teach in these schools...?

They have a crummy oline, and he alone had 51 turnovers in 27 NFL games played. Nearly 2 turnovers a game. Just him alone. That doesn't keep a QB in a job if it continues.

 

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Just now, Utilit99 said:

They have a crummy oline, and he alone had 51 turnovers in 27 NFL games played.

That's another plus for Jones; he has a crummy oline, so when protection breaks down, he runs--so there are some bonus points there.

And he's never had this kind of talent around him--especially talent that suits his deep-ball strengths (they don't call him "Danny Dimes" for nothing).  This year he has Barkley back healthy to make teams respect the run (Barkley missed all but two games last season), Evan Engram, Kyle Rudolph and Kelvin Benjamin at TE, Kenny Golladay, Darius Slayton going into his third season, Sterling Shepard, John Ross, Dante Pettis, and they drafted Kadarius Toney in the 1st round.

And if you need to see it before you believe it, consider that over the last 8 weeks of 2019, Jones was the QB5 in fantasy--with a much less impressive arsenal of weapons around him.

Given his sitch this year, I expect him to be a top 5 QB again.

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6 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

That's another plus for Jones; he has a crummy oline, so when protection breaks down, he runs--so there are some bonus points there.

And he's never had this kind of talent around him--especially talent that suits his deep-ball strengths (they don't call him "Danny Dimes" for nothing).  This year he has Barkley back healthy to make teams respect the run (Barkley missed all but two games last season), Evan Engram, Kyle Rudolph and Kelvin Benjamin at TE, Kenny Golladay, Darius Slayton going into his third season, Sterling Shepard, John Ross, Dante Pettis, and they drafted Kadarius Toney in the 1st round.

And if you need to see it before you believe it, consider that over the last 8 weeks of 2019, Jones was the QB5 in fantasy--with a much less impressive arsenal of weapons around him.

Given his sitch this year, I expect him to be a top 5 QB again.

But 29 funbles alone in 27 games played? That's hard to overlook.

I know there are some here that are higher on Jones than I am, but I am thinking if Watson doesn't play this year or half the year, then, I could get a good pick in the first from that guy. That would give me 4 picks in the first round next year. 

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51 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Sorry but I just have feeling that what Watson is going through is only the beginning,  

Thanks for clarifying, your views were a little unclear.

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46 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

You only have Watson and Lance, and you didn't hit "ACCEPT" two seconds after being offered Daniel Jones (the highest-rated deep passer in the NFL) AND a first round pick?

Heck, Jones will probly be better than Watson even if Watson plays this year, with all the new and newly healthy weapons Jones now has at his disposal!

If you don't take that deal, I hope you come in last place every year from now on--you'll deserve it.

And don't tell me you seriously thought you could get the high first round pick stud rookie QB away from a fan of the team that drafted him--for a QB facing a possibly lengthy suspension--did you?

What DO they teach in these schools...?

Daniel Jones is not good. At most he'll be a starter for two more years and then relegated to backup duty.

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6 minutes ago, Donkey said:

Daniel Jones is not good.

This is the opinion of a Donkey on a message board.

The numbers show that Daniel Jones is the highest-rated deep passer in the NFL, and for the second half of his rookie season, he was the QB5 in fantasy.

Trust the numbers.

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40 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

But 29 funbles alone in 27 games played? That's hard to overlook.

Where did you get that stat?  It's completely false, by the way.

Jones has 9 fumbles in his career, 6 as a rookie and 3 last year.  Getting the ball out of his hands and into the hands of his new and newly healthy weapons should help to drop that to 1 or 2 this season.

Seriously.  Take Jones and a 1st for Watson.  You need a QB who will play this year, and getting one of the top 5 AND a first round pick represents a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

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26 minutes ago, Donkey said:

Thanks for clarifying, your views were a little unclear.

Welcome,  I do it  for your educational success 

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40 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

But 29 funbles alone in 27 games played? That's hard to overlook.

I know there are some here that are higher on Jones than I am, but I am thinking if Watson doesn't play this year or half the year, then, I could get a good pick in the first from that guy. That would give me 4 picks in the first round next year. 

I think it’s your own personal pride that’s stopping you from making this great deal.  

You have issues with another poster who’s a big fan of the Gmen. 

D Jones plus a first round pick for Watson is a great offer. 

So stop being so ignorant and take it.  

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10 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

Where did you get that stat?  It's completely false, by the way.

Jones has 9 fumbles in his career, 6 as a rookie and 3 last year.  Getting the ball out of his hands and into the hands of his new and newly healthy weapons should help to drop that to 1 or 2 this season.

 

Pro Football Reference. :dunno:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneDa05.htm

I guees some places count a sack and fumble as a rushing fumble

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23 minutes ago, Donkey said:

Daniel Jones is not good. At most he'll be a starter for two more years and then relegated to backup duty.

They have surrounded him with the best talent he’s had since he’s been on the Gmen, I think he’ll have a very good season, but I hope that others in my league feel the same as you, and they must. In mocks I keep picking him up in round 13 or so, he’s going to be a great late draft pick. 

With Barkely back and Golladay he’s not going to get sacked has much, and he’s ff production will increase.  

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4 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Pro Football Reference. :dunno:

Must be a typo.  The 9 was right, they just added a 2 at the beginning.

EDIT:  My bad, he has 9 fumbles rushing; the other 20 were on passing plays.  18 were as a rookie.  I didn't know it was that much, but I will say that if he can be the QB5 with 18 fumbles, I'm not too concerned about them.  I know Dante Culpepper led the league in fumbles in back-to-back seasons in his day, and his 23 fumbles in 2002 are tied with Kerry Collins for most in a season.  Carson Wentz also has 48 fumbles in 56 career games.

Maybe a concern, but still, in your situation, I'd be salivating over that offer.

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9 minutes ago, weepaws said:

They have surrounded him with the best talent he’s had since he’s been on the Gmen, I think he’ll have a very good season, but I hope that others in my league feel the same as you, and they must. In mocks I keep picking him up in round 13 or so, he’s going to be a great late draft pick. 

With Barkely back and Golladay he’s not going to get sacked has much, and he’s ff production will increase.  

Those guys shoupd definitely help him but even je knows it's a major issue.

Fumbling has constantly been an issue for Daniel Jones, and it reared its ugly head in the NFL during an otherwise solid rookie season. Jones led the NFL with 18 fumbles (the fifth-highest mark in NFL history) in 816 offensive snaps, or one fumble every 45.3 snaps. That's not an ideal ratio for long-term success as a starting quarterback in the NFL

Fortunately for Jones, the fumble issues can be corrected and he's determined to make it happen. Per Dan Duggan of The Athletic,

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Just now, Utilit99 said:

Fumbling has constantly been an issue for Daniel Jones, and it reared its ugly head in the NFL during an otherwise solid rookie season. Jones led the NFL with 18 fumbles (the fifth-highest mark in NFL history) in 816 offensive snaps, or one fumble every 45.3 snaps. 

But again, if he can be the QB5 while leading the NFL in fumbles, where will he rank if he reduces them?

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11 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Those guys shoupd definitely help him but even je knows it's a major issue.

Fumbling has constantly been an issue for Daniel Jones, and it reared its ugly head in the NFL during an otherwise solid rookie season. Jones led the NFL with 18 fumbles (the fifth-highest mark in NFL history) in 816 offensive snaps, or one fumble every 45.3 snaps. That's not an ideal ratio for long-term success as a starting quarterback in the NFL

Fortunately for Jones, the fumble issues can be corrected and he's determined to make it happen. Per Dan Duggan of The Athletic,

Did you read that last line? 

Anyway this has been a fun topic thank you for starting this thread.  

 

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