Cuba

[Fireballer 2,381]

Things heating up.  Maybe they finally kick this socialist sh!t out to the curb.  

This right here tells you what we already know about the NYT and rest of MSM.

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

Maybe we can learn from Cuban residents if the democrats keep winning elections? 

[Drizzay 645]

Part of their protest is to waive the American flag.  

[Fireballer 2,381]

2 minutes ago, Drizzay said:

Part of their protest is to waive the American flag.  

Don't tell Kaepernick

[Fireballer 2,381]

Shockingly, a few Dems in Florida are speaking in support of the Cuban people.  I guess they know they will never see re-election if they don't.  I imagine the vast majority of Dems remain silent.  This is not good PR for them.

[Fireballer 2,381]

 

 

[Cdub100 3,380]

Cuba... Another Liberal paradise run by POC. Thankfully Castros son is turning Canada into Cuba 2.0 so we will have another wonderful socialist government we can look to emulate.

[dogcows 1,029]

43 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Things heating up.  Maybe they finally kick this socialist sh!t out to the curb.  

This right here tells you what we already know about the NYT and rest of MSM.

 

I’m a bit confused as to what the outrage at The NY Times is here. Since Cuba’s government doesn’t allow freedom, chanting “freedom” seems like it would be a pretty valid anti-government slogan there.

[Fireballer 2,381]

16 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I’m a bit confused as to what the outrage at The NY Times is here. Since Cuba’s government doesn’t allow freedom, chanting “freedom” seems like it would be a pretty valid anti-government slogan there.

Freudian slip

[Cdub100 3,380]

23 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I’m a bit confused 

Trust me. We know...

[Hardcore troubadour 12,640]

As long as they stay there IDGAF 

[Fireballer 2,381]

And here's the spin machine.  This Covid vax narrative will be what Joe & co. seize on

 

[Fireballer 2,381]

42 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

As long as they stay there IDGAF 

Yes, but a failure of this commie regime within 100 miles of our border will be a huge thumb in the eye to Berniecrat/Squad/BLM types.

[RLLD 3,455]

In places where actual freedom is not present, where the situation is ACTUAL oppression, you can see that he people understand America is the land of the free, and increasingly the home of the petulant whiners.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,583]

I hope they protest covid away

[Hardcore troubadour 12,640]

Any word from Kaepernick and the rest of our woke athletes and other useless celebs? 

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[wiffleball 4,640]

Any deal we make with them should involve sending the boat people back. You left because it was so bad? Well guess what? Get your ass back there and rebuild your country.

[Fireballer 2,381]

BLM speaks on the subject.  Any question  that they're a bunch of fukin commies and don't really give a fuk about black lives?  So sad that so many mainstream American companies bowed to this woke, Marxist bullsh!t last year.

 

[peenie 1,690]

I agree with the BLM statement.

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Cuba’s relationship with the Soviet Union during the Cold War raised concerns about US national security, but that era is long over. The USSR dissolved in 1991, and American foreign policy has adapted to the change in most aspects apart from the embargo. The US Defense Intelligence Agency released a report in 1998 stating “Cuba does not pose a significant military threat to the U.S. or to other countries in the region.” The embargo can no longer be justified by the fear of Communism spreading throughout the Western Hemisphere.

Fidel Castro resigned his presidency in 2008, and abdicated his role as the leader of Cuba’s communist party in 2011 due to illness. His brother Raúl then stepped in to take his place and, in Apr. 2019, Vice President Miguel Diaz-Canel, a close Castro ally, was selected as President. 

Cubans are denied access to technology, medicine, affordable food, and other goods that could be available to them if the United States lifted the embargo.

Restricting American rights as a means of forcing another country to embrace freedom is hypocritical, as is demanding that Cuba adopt a representative democracy given the long history of US support for brutal dictatorships in countries that favor American interests, such as Hosni Mubarak in Egypt and Augusto Pinochet in Chile.

The United States trades with China, Venezuela, and Vietnam despite their records of human rights violations.

Trading with China led to economic reforms that brought 100 million people above the poverty line and improved access to health care and education across the country.

The only problem I have is that the answer to Cuba's problems can't seriously just be the embargo. There are clearly other problems. I see this with my own community. If racism were completely removed from black people's lives, we'd still have major issues to face. The same can be said about Cuba. If the United States flooded the country with goods and services, there are still things within the country that need addressing. 

[Fireballer 2,381]

50 minutes ago, peenie said:

I agree with the BLM statement.

The only problem I have is that the answer to Cuba's problems can't seriously just be the embargo. There are clearly other problems. I see this with my own community. If racism were completely removed from black people's lives, we'd still have major issues to face. The same can be said about Cuba. If the United States flooded the country with goods and services, there are still things within the country that need addressing. 

BLM is saying that they hope that the socialist regime stays in power.  Is that what you're agreeing with?  And the embargo exempts food and humanitarian supplies.

[Fireballer 2,381]

Here ya go.  Communism solved racism.  NHJ said so. BLM =Communism.  Straight up. But,  I just cant figure out though, why people aren't fleeing to be apart of this equitable utopia.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2021/07/14/communism-solved-racism-in-cuba-1619-project-founder-claimed-n1461899

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

10 hours ago, Fireballer said:

BLM speaks on the subject.  Any question  that they're a bunch of fukin commies and don't really give a fuk about black lives?  So sad that so many mainstream American companies bowed to this woke, Marxist bullsh!t last year.

 

I found that last part hilarious.  "Now we look to President Biden to end the embargo, something Barack Obama called for in 2016."  Well, if Obama wanted it ended, why didn't he do that in 2008?  Why not 2009?  He had both the House and Senate.  If he wanted it done, he'd have done it then.  No... he waited until 2014, after the mid-term election of his final term to bring it up.  He did it on purpose to make Republican's look bad, knowing full well the Democrats wouldn't have ended it either.  Also, there's this thing called an "Executive Order".  He was VERY familiar with them.  He could've ended it himself whenever he wanted to.

[peenie 1,690]

53 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

BLM is saying that they hope that the socialist regime stays in power.  Is that what you're agreeing with?  And the embargo exempts food and humanitarian supplies.

I agree that they should lift the embargo. I clearly stated in my last sentences that even lifting the embargo is not enough to improve the country and that internal changes need to happen. It is the will of the Cuban people that should decide how the country should be or not be.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

2 minutes ago, peenie said:

I agree that they should lift the embargo. I clearly stated in my last sentences that even lifting the embargo is not enough to improve the country and that internal changes need to happen. 

Lifting the embargo while there's still a communist presence will only compound the problem for the citizens, it won't improve it.  So, if BLM wants to end the embargo but keep the political structure, they're essentially encouraging the oppression of the citizenry.

[peenie 1,690]

6 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Lifting the embargo while there's still a communist presence will only compound the problem for the citizens, it won't improve it.  So, if BLM wants to end the embargo but keep the political structure, they're essentially encouraging the oppression of the citizenry.

But the reason for the embargo no longer exists as pointed out by my post. How are you going to have an embargo for having a relationship with Russia and when the USA has a relationship with Russia???

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

11 minutes ago, peenie said:

But the reason for the embargo no longer exists as pointed out by my post. How are you going to have an embargo for having a relationship with Russia and when the USA has a relationship with Russia???

What, Cuba is no longer a dictatorship?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,640]

41 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I found that last part hilarious.  "Now we look to President Biden to end the embargo, something Barack Obama called for in 2016."  Well, if Obama wanted it ended, why didn't he do that in 2008?  Why not 2009?  He had both the House and Senate.  If he wanted it done, he'd have done it then.  No... he waited until 2014, after the mid-term election of his final term to bring it up.  He did it on purpose to make Republican's look bad, knowing full well the Democrats wouldn't have ended it either.  Also, there's this thing called an "Executive Order".  He was VERY familiar with them.  He could've ended it himself whenever he wanted to.

Obama showed during his presidency that he was a deceitful liar. Just like the birther nonsense, he could have put an end to that immediately. Instead he milked it for what it was worth. He decided to stop it to hurt Trump, not to put it to rest. If not for Trump he would still be milking it. Poor victim. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

3 hours ago, peenie said:

I agree with the BLM statement.

BLM is totally evil and you should never align with them.  They are a communist extremist organization bent on being dictators using innocent blacks as a human shield.

[GobbleDog 816]

2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

What, Cuba is no longer a dictatorship?

That and human rights abuses. 

You could argue the same of China, but China isn't a piss-ant island 90 miles south of the U.S.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,640]

Someone like Peenie just does t get how evil communism is. It requires complete control by the government, with no checks and balances. The few people with all this power will consist of human beings. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Someone like Peenie just does t get how evil communism is. It requires complete control by the government, with no checks and balances. The few people with all this power will consist of human beings. 

She probanly thinks Cuba is run by conservative capitalists who are racist.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

8 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

She probanly thinks Cuba is run by conservative capitalists who are racist.

We must lift the embargo with the communist Cuba government.  Also, we need embargoes and travel bans on red states in the US.  Also, we must bar whites from getting hired with shady civil rights rules. Also, people fleeing communist China must be barred from entering the US.  These positions are all over the place with regards to logic unless you see it as a brazen and evil power grab by the radical left.

[peenie 1,690]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Someone like Peenie just does t get how evil communism is. It requires complete control by the government, with no checks and balances. The few people with all this power will consist of human beings. 

Omg...I didn't say I agree with their government practices AT ALL. I just want the United States to lift the embargo. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

59 minutes ago, peenie said:

Omg...I didn't say I agree with their government practices AT ALL. I just want the United States to lift the embargo. 

Again, we're saying you just can't lift it.  The problem with lifting the embargo while they still have a dictatorship will only hurt the people more.  Cuba is still communist.  Why do you think most Cubans are conservatives when they defect to the US?  It's because liberals want to move towards a model much like the one they're leaving.  These people want less government control.  If the US lifts the embargo, like what you are advocating, while they still have a communist government, you're only further empowering the government... it's exactly the opposite of what their citizens want.

[GobbleDog 816]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Again, we're saying you just can't lift it.  The problem with lifting the embargo while they still have a dictatorship will only hurt the people more.  Cuba is still communist.  Why do you think most Cubans are conservatives when they defect to the US?  It's because liberals want to move towards a model much like the one they're leaving.  These people want less government control.  If the US lifts the embargo, like what you are advocating, while they still have a communist government, you're only further empowering the government... it's exactly the opposite of what their citizens want.

I agree. But you gotta admit, the embargo started in 1962 and hasn't had the change we hoped for - democracy.  Even after Russian money dried up following the cold war... 40 years ago.

That's one resilient dictatorship. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

7 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

I agree. But you gotta admit, the embargo started in 1962 and hasn't had the change we hoped for - democracy.  Even after Russian money dried up following the cold war... 40 years ago.

That's one resilient dictatorship. 

No, it didn't go as hoped, but that's because they were allowed to join the WTO in '95 and trade with other countries.  It's also because Clinton made exceptions for food and medicine, in the embargo.

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[peenie 1,690]

 

[peenie 1,690]

17 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

If the US lifts the embargo, like what you are advocating, while they still have a communist government, you're only further empowering the government... it's exactly the opposite of what their citizens want.

Oh, yes, I see your point.