DrG 94 Posted July 14, 2021 He’s an interesting one for me to try and peg for 2021. Am seeing him as a somewhat touchdown dependent mid TE1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,452 Posted July 14, 2021 Late double digit draft pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedzoneMonster 102 Posted July 14, 2021 He's a TE I'd be happy to get if I'm waiting until rd 10 or later this year for TE. Once you get past the top 5-6 TEs its literally a crap shoot anyway. I'm not even sure some of the "top 6 TEs" are that safe. Im 99% sure Im just going to wait until rd 10+ and just pick one of Gronk, Irv Smith, J. Smith, Jarwin, etc. Is there really any difference bt all those guys chances? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted July 14, 2021 I'd avoid him. Tampa does not run a lot of 2 TE sets. Brady didn't change that. In 2019, Tampa ran 11 personnel with 3 WR 64% of the time, last year it was 63%. In 2019, they ran 12 personnel 23%, and last year 22%. Tampa ran plays with 2 or more TE's in 2019 28.8% of the time and 30.8% last year. So the Bucs player groupings didn't really change from 2019 to 2020 with Brady being there. What Brady changed was formations and motions. Leftwich and Arians are still going to throw out 11 personnel / 3 WR sets about two-thirds of the time. Normally that's not an issue, but when you have 3 TE's, that's a big obstacle. OJ is going to get his playing time/snaps/targets. He's in the last year of his deal. I believe the Bucs want to see him play a full season and see what he can do... which could lead to an extension (boy I hope not). They're going to put him out there until he gets hurt. Last year in the first 4 games, Gronk did see a bigger snap share than Howard did... about 30% more. But, in those 4 games, Howard had 19 targets and Gronk had 14. Gronk won't have any real value until Howard get's hurt.... so week 8? 9? Where do you draft a guy when you can assume he's very volatile until someone else gets hurt? I don't know, you tell me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrG 94 Posted July 14, 2021 I grabbed Gronk on the wire last year in dynasty. He presumably took some time to get in shape. I guess I should say he’s a back end TE w mid upside when Howard inevitably disappoints Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,452 Posted July 14, 2021 2 hours ago, RedzoneMonster said: He's a TE I'd be happy to get if I'm waiting until rd 10 or later this year for TE. Once you get past the top 5-6 TEs its literally a crap shoot anyway. I'm not even sure some of the "top 6 TEs" are that safe. Im 99% sure Im just going to wait until rd 10+ and just pick one of Gronk, Irv Smith, J. Smith, Jarwin, etc. Is there really any difference bt all those guys chances? Winner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted July 14, 2021 38 minutes ago, DrG said: I grabbed Gronk on the wire last year in dynasty. He presumably took some time to get in shape. I guess I should say he’s a back end TE w mid upside when Howard inevitably disappoints If you have him in a dynasty, that's fine. Nothing wrong with keeping him stashed. To note, I don't think Howard will disappoint in the sense that he won't be good. When he's been on the field, he's been very productive. Part of his occasional lack of numbers has been due to the fact that he was needed to help block a lot. It wasn't until the 2019 season where the Bucs finally had a solid OLine. If he stays healthy all year, I have no doubt in my mind that he'll have the best numbers of the Tampa TE's. It might not even be close. IF, and that's a very BIG IF, he stays healthy, he could be a top 5-7 TE. His issue is durability. If durability is what you meant by "disappoints", then that's fine. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,302 Posted July 15, 2021 He ain’t getting any younger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,452 Posted July 15, 2021 3 hours ago, IGotWorms said: He ain’t getting any younger No he ain’t Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 399 Posted July 15, 2021 If you're not getting Kelce, Waller, or a couple of other guys, he's as good a pick as any I suppose. If I needed a TE and he was on the waiver wire, I would probably pick him up. He's TD dependent like pretty much all TEs are, but that's one of his specialties. I think his days of putting up 1200 yards and scoring 12 TDs are over, but he can still have some pretty productive games, with some duds too of course. Would anyone be at all surprised if he were to catch 8 or even 10 TDs this season? I wouldn't be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxeElf 787 Posted July 15, 2021 1 hour ago, polecatt said: Would anyone be at all surprised if he were to catch 8 or even 10 TDs this season? I wouldn't be. I'd be VERY surprised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,302 Posted July 15, 2021 1 hour ago, polecatt said: If you're not getting Kelce, Waller, or a couple of other guys, he's as good a pick as any I suppose. If I needed a TE and he was on the waiver wire, I would probably pick him up. He's TD dependent like pretty much all TEs are, but that's one of his specialties. I think his days of putting up 1200 yards and scoring 12 TDs are over, but he can still have some pretty productive games, with some duds too of course. Would anyone be at all surprised if he were to catch 8 or even 10 TDs this season? I wouldn't be. It’s possible but I think even Tampa would prefer that doesn’t happen. They want to keep usage and chance of injury to a minimum until it’s a must win scenario Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 587 Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 12:13 PM, TBayXXXVII said: Gronk won't have any real value until Howard get's hurt.... so week 8? 9? Where do you draft a guy when you can assume he's very volatile until someone else gets hurt? I don't know, you tell me. I gotta agree. It is likely that they may run more 2 TE sets to get them both on the field more. I think if anyone can manage it, it would be Brady. but I wouldnt bet on it. if picking Gronk, you pick him late. Not early. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,452 Posted July 15, 2021 6 hours ago, polecatt said: If you're not getting Kelce, Waller, or a couple of other guys, he's as good a pick as any I suppose. If I needed a TE and he was on the waiver wire, I would probably pick him up. He's TD dependent like pretty much all TEs are, but that's one of his specialties. I think his days of putting up 1200 yards and scoring 12 TDs are over, but he can still have some pretty productive games, with some duds too of course. Would anyone be at all surprised if he were to catch 8 or even 10 TDs this season? I wouldn't be. I would be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,452 Posted July 15, 2021 I don’t see them playing a lot of two te sets, they have good WRs and R Jones and Gio in the backfield. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 587 Posted July 15, 2021 8 hours ago, polecatt said: If you're not getting Kelce, Waller, or a couple of other guys, he's as good a pick as any I suppose. If I needed a TE and he was on the waiver wire, I would probably pick him up. He's TD dependent like pretty much all TEs are, but that's one of his specialties. I think his days of putting up 1200 yards and scoring 12 TDs are over, but he can still have some pretty productive games, with some duds too of course. Would anyone be at all surprised if he were to catch 8 or even 10 TDs this season? I wouldn't be. while I'm not endorsing Gronk as a high ranking TE pick, hes good enough he probably shouldnt be on waivers unless OJ is getting all the reps. if hes on waivers and you need a TE, hes definitely your guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted July 16, 2021 Here's the skinny with Gronk and fantasy. If you're drafting him, you should be drafting him with the knowledge that he's not a regular starter until Howard gets hurt. After that happens, and it most likely will, you can comfortably start Gronk the rest of the year because Howard always gets hurt ends the season on IR. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocNiner 44 Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 5:38 PM, weepaws said: I don’t see them playing a lot of two te sets, they have good WRs and R Jones and Gio in the backfield. I agree. His targets won't be that great with the wr's and rb's Tampa has. His best shot at production will be td dependant. He did retire once and was talked into coming back and that paid off for him. He is getting older as far as football age and I.think he'd be lucky to post top 10 TE numbers. I'll take him real late in draft if he's there but don't believe he'll be a league title TE for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites