Why are officers who responded to Jan 6 insurrection committing suicide?

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Anyone interested in doing real police work isn’t interested in that job. Security guards with arrest powers. 

Is driving an Uber “real police work”?

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5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Is driving an Uber “real police work”?

I don’t think so. You should ask an Uber driver. Maybe some departments use them as undercover? I would think that goes on from time to time. We had cops pose as UPS workers 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t think so. You should ask an Uber driver. Maybe some departments use them as undercover? I would think that goes on from time to time. We had cops pose as UPS workers 

Oh I’m sorry, is it Lyft you drive for? Boy is my face red! 

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4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Oh I’m sorry, is it Lyft you drive for? Boy is my face red! 

No, not that either. But I don’t see it as something to degrade. It’s honest work. But look at you “Mr. liberal I care about the working people” deriding it. Another elitist living on cupcake lane. 

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A fourth?  26 years old?Again, I'm withholding judgement until I know what "responded to Jan 6" means. This doesn't seem too related to muh interaction.

Officer Kyle DeFreytag served in the city’s 5th District and was at the Capitol to enforce curfew violations, 

 

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No, not that either. But I don’t see it as something to degrade. It’s honest work. But look at you “Mr. liberal I care about the working people” deriding it. Another elitist living on cupcake lane. 

You’ll get no argument from me on that score! But it doesn’t really fit the John Wayne-style policeman act

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1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

A fourth?  Again, I'm withholding judgement until I know what "responded to Jan 6" means.

 

Interesting “the DC Metro Police Department” should have to explain it. I would’ve thought it’d be Trump, congressional republicans and their supporters who might need to account for it. You know, the ones who fomented and undertook the insurrection 

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3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Interesting “the DC Metro Police Department” should have to explain it. I would’ve thought it’d be Trump, congressional republicans and their supporters who might need to account for it. You know, the ones who fomented and undertook the insurrection 

You think this guy was in the heat of the battle?  Again, "responded to" is very subjective.

Officer Kyle DeFreytag served in the city’s 5th District and was at the Capitol to enforce curfew violations

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Just now, IGotWorms said:

You’ll get no argument from me on that score! Just doesn’t really fit the John Wayne-style policeman act

Well I’m a former policeman and I don’t drive for Uber or any of those companies.  There is too much diversity around me.  No thanks. But I’ll do a lot of jobs that allow me to be with my family all the time. My careeer days are over. My retirement and my kids college is paid for. Bills are paid. Just need my Fockin around money now. 

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1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

You think this guy was in the heat of the battle?  Again, "responded to" is very subjective.

Officer Kyle DeFreytag served in the city’s 5th District and was at the Capitol to enforce curfew violations

I don’t know what his experience was—and neither do you. But apparently it was enough to push him and several others over the edge. Unless you think it was a coincidence or part of some insane conspiracy theory

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well I’m a former policeman and I don’t drive for Uber or any of those companies.  There is too much diversity around me.  No thanks. But I’ll do a lot of jobs that allow me to be with my family all the time. My careeer days are over. My retirement and my kids college is paid for. Bills are paid. Just need my Fockin around money now. 

Off topic..you on wife's healthcare or do yall have something built into CB agreement?

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5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Interesting “the DC Metro Police Department” should have to explain it. I would’ve thought it’d be Trump, congressional republicans and their supporters who might need to account for it. You know, the ones who fomented and undertook the insurrection 

“Fomented and undertook the insurrection” worms? Really? Don't ya think that's a little grand for a bunch of rowdy dipsh!ts that rushed a building?

You make it sound like the focking guy fawkes gunpowder rebellion. 

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Just now, IGotWorms said:

I don’t know what his experience was—and neither do you. But apparently it was enough to push him and several others over the edge. Unless you think it was a coincidence or part of some insane conspiracy theory

So, if dude showed up for the night shift and sat in his car??? I'm sure he was shook solely by the goings on earlier in the day.  

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2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I don’t know what his experience was—and neither do you. But apparently it was enough to push him and several others over the edge. Unless you think it was a coincidence or part of some insane conspiracy theory

Maybe his girlfriend cheated on him? 

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1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

So, if dude showed up for the night shift and sat in his car??? I'm sure he was shook solely by the goings on earlier in the day.  

They don’t get it. They think cops yell “Freeze” 

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1 minute ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

“Fomented and undertook the insurrection” worms? Really? Don't ya think that's a little grand for a bunch of rowdy dipsh!ts that rushed a building?

You make it sound like the focking guy fawkes gunpowder rebellion. 

I think you’re wildly under appreciating what occurred. The president of the United States whipped up a mob to attack the Capitol. Just read that, don’t reflexively feel like you have to go Fox News mode in defense of Trump, and let it sink in. Could’ve been worse, for sure, and next time it probably will be. But wow, what a horrible development for democracy

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Maybe his girlfriend cheated on him? 

So coincidence. Could be. If you’ll recall that was the other primary alternative I postulated in the first post of the thread.

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1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

I think you’re wildly under appreciating what occurred. The president of the United States whipped up a mob to attack the Capitol. Just read that, don’t reflexively feel like you have to go Fox News mode in defense of Trump, and let it sink in. Could’ve been worse, for sure, and next time it probably will be. But wow, what a horrible development for democracy

Whipped up? Again with the hyperbole.

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27 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Whipped up? Again with the hyperbole.

No, it really isn’t. And saying otherwise betrays how far down the rabbit hole you’ve gone

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3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

No, it really isn’t. And saying otherwise betrays how far down the rabbit hole you’ve gone

Perhaps I'm ignorant. I freely admit that may be the case.

Might I ask for a link to this firebrand rhetoric? Must have been some truly hitleresque stuff. Video or print is fine.

And the fact that you think I'm down the rabbit hole shows how far you are.

I don't defend these clowns. Every focking one should do time.

But it was a focking riot. Not an “insurrection.”

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Cops are being railed against all over the country.  For two years now. 

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Correlation <> Causation 

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48 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I don’t know what his experience was—and neither do you. But apparently it was enough to push him and several others over the edge. Unless you think it was a coincidence or part of some insane conspiracy theory

Weak argument.    The only statistic that would be meaningful would be to compare the suicide rates of DC police to other PD's.    If you can show me that the DC police are recently committing suicide at a higher rate than their peers, then I would agree with you that there's a problem/causal relationship there.    But I think it's noteworthy that the media is presenting these stories are doing it thru individual events and not noting what is the size of the DC police force is, what has been the suicide rate among them in the past, and how does the current rate compare to peer groups (i.e. urban police forces).   

Sadly there are 40-50K suicides in the US per year.    The military & PD have some of the higher suicide rates by profession in the US.    

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4 minutes ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Perhaps I'm ignorant. I freely admit that may be the case.

Might I ask for a link to this firebrand rhetoric? Must have been some truly hitleresque stuff. Video or print is fine.

And the fact that you think I'm down the rabbit hole shows how far you are.

I don't defend these clowns. Every focking one should do time.

But it was a focking riot. Not an “insurrection.”

He started the day with tweet, “States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”

He told people at his rally, “We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved,” “We won this election, and we won it by a landslide. This was not a close election.”

He told followers, “I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so, because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election,” Trump said. “All Vice President Pence has to do is recertify, and we become president, and you are the happiest people.”

Trump ended his speech by urging his followers to march down Pennsylvania Avenue. “We’re going to the Capitol,” he said. “We’re going to try and give them [Republicans] the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”

When the riot was going on he said this, “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” he tweeted. “Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

Were these quotes enough to get his followers in a frenzy and attack the capitol?  It's possible.  I don't think he helped by saying what he said.

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3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

He started the day with tweet, “States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”

He told people at his rally, “We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved,” “We won this election, and we won it by a landslide. This was not a close election.”

He told followers, “I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so, because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election,” Trump said. “All Vice President Pence has to do is recertify, and we become president, and you are the happiest people.”

Trump ended his speech by urging his followers to march down Pennsylvania Avenue. “We’re going to the Capitol,” he said. “We’re going to try and give them [Republicans] the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”

When the riot was going on he said this, “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” he tweeted. “Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

Were these quotes enough to get his followers in a frenzy and attack the capitol?  It's possible.  I don't think he helped by saying what he said.

Thank you.  I’ll add that after the yokels went into the Capitol:  "But you have to go home now," he said. "We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We don't want anybody hurt."

And somehow from this we got an impeachment and half of the country, Worms included, honestly think that Trump proactively incited an insurrection.  It’s sad and I honestly don’t know how to discuss this topic with such people.  

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10 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

He started the day with tweet, “States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”

He told people at his rally, “We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved,” “We won this election, and we won it by a landslide. This was not a close election.”

He told followers, “I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so, because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election,” Trump said. “All Vice President Pence has to do is recertify, and we become president, and you are the happiest people.”

Trump ended his speech by urging his followers to march down Pennsylvania Avenue. “We’re going to the Capitol,” he said. “We’re going to try and give them [Republicans] the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

When the riot was going on he said this, “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” he tweeted. “Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

Were these quotes enough to get his followers in a frenzy and attack the capitol?  It's possible.  I don't think he helped by saying what he said.

Fixored

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Just now, Fireballer said:

Fixored

Thanks?

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29 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

No, it really isn’t. And saying otherwise betrays how far down the rabbit hole you’ve gone

He's gone?   I know there's not much left to defend of your belief system, but wow, full troll these days.  

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17 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

I get that it must’ve been a crazy fockin ordeal, but law enforcement sometimes has to deal with stuff like that right? Seems unlikely to be a total coincidence at the same time.

 

 

 CNN —  

A DC police officer who responded to the US Capitol insurrection has died by suicide, according to the Metropolitan Police Department.

“Officer Gunther Hashida, assigned to the Emergency Response Team within the Special Operations Division, was found deceased in his residence on Thursday, July 29,” department spokesperson Kristen Metzger told CNN in a statement.

Hashida joined the Metropolitan Police Department in 2003 and responded to the Capitol on January 6, Metzger said. 

“We are grieving as a Department and our thoughts and prayers are with Officer Hashida’s family and friends,” Metzger said.

This is the third known suicide of an officer who responded to the Capitol during the attack, and it is the second known suicide by a DC officer specifically.

Metropolitan Police Officer Jeffrey Smith, a 12-year veteran of the force, and US Capitol Police Officer Howard Liebengood, a 16-year Capitol Police veteran, also responded to the insurrection and later died by suicide. A recent Senate report into the security failures of the day lists both Smith and Liebengood among those who “ultimately lost their lives” following the attack.

Another Capitol Police officer, Brian D. Sicknick, suffered strokes and died of natural causes one day after responding to the attack, Washington DC’s chief medical examiner determined in April.

The Justice Department has charged more than 550 people in connection with the insurrection, according to CNN’s latest tally, and the attack is at the center of a high-profile House select committee investigation. 

During a hearing before the panel last month, Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn delivered an emotional pleato officers who defended the Capitol to seek out professional help if they need it. 

“I want to take this moment and speak to my fellow officers about the emotions they are continuing to experience from the events of January 6. There is absolutely nothing wrong with seeking professional counseling,” Dunn said.

“What we all went through that day was traumatic, and if you are hurting, please take advantage of the counseling services that are available to us.”

Well, DC is full of liberals, so I'm guessing the Capitol Police is made up of about 90% Democrats, just like DC is.  Makes sense that they would be mentally weak. 

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50 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

He started the day with tweet, “States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”

He told people at his rally, “We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved,” “We won this election, and we won it by a landslide. This was not a close election.”

He told followers, “I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so, because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election,” Trump said. “All Vice President Pence has to do is recertify, and we become president, and you are the happiest people.”

Trump ended his speech by urging his followers to march down Pennsylvania Avenue. “We’re going to the Capitol,” he said. “We’re going to try and give them [Republicans] the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”

When the riot was going on he said this, “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” he tweeted. “Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

Were these quotes enough to get his followers in a frenzy and attack the capitol?  It's possible.  I don't think he helped by saying what he said.

Well it’s the whole thing. Started before the election, falsely claiming they were going to steal it. Continued after the election, falsely claiming massive voter fraud and trying to stop certification of the results. That entire 6 month span was an assault on democracy once it was apparent Trump was likely going to lose, and then did lose.

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43 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Thank you.  I’ll add that after the yokels went into the Capitol:  "But you have to go home now," he said. "We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We don't want anybody hurt."

Didn’t he wait hours to say that? And only after every fockin Republican in the country told him he needed to?

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54 minutes ago, Masshole said:

Weak argument.    The only statistic that would be meaningful would be to compare the suicide rates of DC police to other PD's.    If you can show me that the DC police are recently committing suicide at a higher rate than their peers, then I would agree with you that there's a problem/causal relationship there.    But I think it's noteworthy that the media is presenting these stories are doing it thru individual events and not noting what is the size of the DC police force is, what has been the suicide rate among them in the past, and how does the current rate compare to peer groups (i.e. urban police forces).   

Sadly there are 40-50K suicides in the US per year.    The military & PD have some of the higher suicide rates by profession in the US.    

It’s not an argument at all. I’m pinning you guys down. You think it’s a coincidence. Okay. I think that seems pretty unlikely on its face but we really don’t know (yet). Maybe we will never will

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8 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Didn’t he wait hours to say that? And only after every fockin Republican in the country told him he needed to?

I dunno, perhaps, you tell me.  But it was an insurrection remember?  Why would he call off the assault in his attempt to physically take over the government of the United States of America?  Because some people used their stern voice with him?  Cmon man, Trump was leading an insurrection$#@!

Unless… maybe… you agree that that wasn’t his goal.

Look, his intention was to rile up folks to march on the Capitol.  How you can read into his statements an attempt to coup the US shows how far down the rabbit hole you are.  It puts you on a cognitive level with the small group of people who went into the Capitol that day, since you both think Trump was giving invasion orders.  Actually you are worse, because you’ve had the benefit of 6 months of hindsight and you still think that.   

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2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Off topic..you on wife's healthcare or do yall have something built into CB agreement?

We have our own for retirees. Although they are looking to Fock with that, as usual. It’s dirt cheap, and very good. The city doesn’t like that. We’ve fought them off before, we’ll see if we can again.  

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28 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Didn’t he wait hours to say that? And only after every fockin Republican in the country told him he needed to?

No. Wrong, once again. Stop just saying stuff. 

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21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No. Wrong, once again. Stop just saying stuff. 

Did he actually condemn the rioters right away?  I think all he did was tell them to go home in peace after showing them sympathy.

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

He started the day with tweet, “States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”

He told people at his rally, “We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved,” “We won this election, and we won it by a landslide. This was not a close election.”

He told followers, “I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so, because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election,” Trump said. “All Vice President Pence has to do is recertify, and we become president, and you are the happiest people.”

Trump ended his speech by urging his followers to march down Pennsylvania Avenue. “We’re going to the Capitol,” he said. “We’re going to try and give them [Republicans] the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”

When the riot was going on he said this, “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” he tweeted. “Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

Were these quotes enough to get his followers in a frenzy and attack the capitol?  It's possible.  I don't think he helped by saying what he said.

I'm going to wait to hear if Wiff's diary of that day lines up with yours before accepting this as fact.

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1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

It’s not an argument at all. I’m pinning you guys down. You think it’s a coincidence. Okay. I think that seems pretty unlikely on its face but we really don’t know (yet). Maybe we will never will

Are you still trying to somehow 'win' this? 

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12 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

I'm going to wait to hear if Wiff's diary of that day lines up with yours before accepting this as fact.

Whatever he did, it worked.  The whole think lasted what, 8... 10 hours?  That's substantially better than they way Liberals handled things in their cities that went on for weeks and months.