Global warming cannot be stopped, per UN

[Strike]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

YOU SAID it was alarmism 

I mean, sure you can pull the well let’s just do a little bit and not really worry about it tack. But that just betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the problem. This isn’t some policy quandary to tinker with, it effects everything. Fresh water, crops, livestock, where you live, storms, heat stroke, rising sea levels, mass extinctions, EVERYTHING 

I said the book addresses the "global warming alarmism"  The meaning behind that is that much of the hype about global warming is exaggerated or bullsh*t.  Doesn't mean there isn't an issue.  YOU took that to the next level and accused me/the book of saying it's "all alarmism."  Sorry bud, you're showing your lack of reading comprehension just in this little exchange.  Again, SkiBum and I are trying to have a conversation with you.  If you decide you'd like to do that, great. 

[Old School]

The Koolaid is strong this morning 

[IGotWorms]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

I said the book addresses the "global warming alarmism"  The meaning behind that is that much of the hype about global warming is exaggerated or bullsh*t.  Doesn't mean there isn't an issue.  YOU took that to the next level and accused me/the book of saying it's "all alarmism."  Sorry bud, you're showing your lack of reading comprehension just in this little exchange.  Again, SkiBum and I are trying to have a conversation with you.  If you decide you'd like to do that, great. 

There you go again

You should be alarmed. That’s the point of this article. It is real and it cannot be stopped. IF we take immediate drastic action maybe it won’t completely destroy us. That’s best case scenario. If that isn’t alarming I don’t know what would be. And obviously BS like saying “well hold on, let’s just do a tiny little bit and not go overreacting” isn’t going to cut it. That’s just part of the problem and no better than denying the existence of global warming altogether.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy!]

Well ok then. Guess we can stop with all the green new deal stuff then.

Let's go ahead and double fist the Dino juice all the way to the grave. Fock it. 

[Strike]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

There you go again 

You should be alarmed. That’s the point of this article. It is real and it cannot be stopped. IF we take immediate drastic action maybe it won’t completely destroy us. That’s best case scenario. If that isn’t alarming I don’t know what would be. And obviously BS like saying “well hold on, let’s just do a tiny little bit and not go overreacting” isn’t going to cut it. That’s just part of the problem and no better than denying the existence of global warming altogether. 

Your article can be wrong.  The sky isn't falling chicken little. 

[IGotWorms]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Your article can be wrong.  The sky isn't falling chicken little. 

So you deny it. Could’ve just led with that instead of your disingenuous bullsh1t

[Strike]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

So you deny it. Could’ve just led with that instead of your disingenuous bullsh1t

Yes, I deny the sky is falling.  I don't deny there is an issue.   If you wanna believe the sky is falling have fun. 

[MTSkiBum]

16 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Of course that’s a good thing but your article said the exact same thing as the article linked. If we took really super drastic action right now, then maybe we can limit how bad it gets. It’ll still happen, but maybe it can be just kinda bad instead of devastating the entire human race.

If we DON’T take immediate drastic action on a global scale, we’re focked and it’ll be extremely devastating.

Right? Do you disagree with that somewhere?

If not then why even bother saying “well we can’t be 100% certain  exactly HOW it will be devastating” and “hey maybe there’s some chance but that by some freak occurrence there will actually be one or two good things that come out of devastating the entire planet”?

 

Even if the earth heated up 5 degrees i do not think it would destroy the human race. What it would cause is mass migrations of people, but we are talking over a long time frame, ie generations with significantly better technology than what we have today. Canada and Russia would be the largest beneficiaries of extreme global warming. There would also be other areas that become more habitable such as Sahara.

Europe would be hit the hardest as far as people are concerned, because large global warming could cause the gulf stream to collapse causing Europe to get much colder than what it is today. It would still be habitable, however they would need to import more food/indoor farming.

The largest effect will not be on people, but on wildlife. A 5 degree increase would cause a mass extinction and our environment would be significantly less diverse. However humans will be able to overcome this. It is a negative for the planet, however it does not "really" cause pain for individual humans.

 

However, I do not think we will hit the worst case scenario. I think China will start going green within the next decade and I think India, Vietnam, Indonesia, and other extremely populated countries will be a decade behind China.

 

[Utilit99]

worms trying his hardest. 

 

[IGotWorms]

14 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

Even if the earth heated up 5 degrees i do not think it would destroy the human race. What it would cause is mass migrations of people, but we are talking over a long time frame, ie generations with significantly better technology than what we have today. Canada and Russia would be the largest beneficiaries of extreme global warming. There would also be other areas that become more habitable such as Sahara.

Europe would be hit the hardest as far as people are concerned, because large global warming could cause the gulf stream to collapse causing Europe to get much colder than what it is today. It would still be habitable, however they would need to import more food/indoor farming.

The largest effect will not be on people, but on wildlife. A 5 degree increase would cause a mass extinction and our environment would be significantly less diverse. However humans will be able to overcome this. It is a negative for the planet, however it does not "really" cause pain for individual humans.

 

However, I do not think we will hit the worst case scenario. I think China will start going green within the next decade and I think India, Vietnam, Indonesia, and other extremely populated countries will be a decade behind China.

 

Yeah that’s probably fair. That sounds positively horrific to me and it’s probably understating the effects in many ways, but ultimately I can go along with that vision. Sounds really super bad to me and we should immediately do anything and everything we can to avoid it

[Hardcore troubadour]

The world isn’t ending anytime soon. Pollution is bad though. 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy!]

I ain't breeding, and the world will outlast me. Whatever. 

[RLLD]

Its rather arrogant to think we have such a notable impact on climate.

[Utilit99]

2 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

It is arrogant to think we don't.

Wouldn't that be the opposite of arrogance?

[TimmySmith]

3 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

It is arrogant to think we don't.

And the most arrogant to think we can reverse it by simply stopping most of what we are doing. 

I don't see anyone saying that we need to immediately stop imports and exports. 

[JustinCharge]

guilt trip thread activated.  democrat bots worms and honcho engaged.  000110100010000000 beep boop.

 

all stinky bait.  

[Utilit99]

 

[JustinCharge]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

YOU SAID it was alarmism

I mean, sure you can pull the well let’s just do a little bit and not really worry about it tack. But that just betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the problem. This isn’t some policy quandary to tinker with, it effects everything. Fresh water, crops, livestock, where you live, storms, heat stroke, rising sea levels, mass extinctions, EVERYTHING 

you are an alarmist because you have a problem and no solutions.  there is no way to get china and india to conform to emissions standards. this thread is just a sky screaming guilt trip you focking bot.

[fandandy]

Instead of looking at the entirety of humanity on a global scale, what does anyone here do in their personal life to benefit the environment?  

What life changes have you made since accepting that global warming is a reality?

[RLLD]

50 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

It is arrogant to think we don't.

Non sequitur

 

[TimmySmith]

27 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

you are an alarmist because you have a problem and no solutions.  there is no way to get china and india to conform to emissions standards. this thread is just a sky screaming guilt trip you focking bot.

Typical globalist.  My inlaws boycott WalMart because they don't pay enough, but NOT because of the conga line of container ships delivering plastic crap from China and destroying the Pacific Ocean.  And they buy nothing but Apple Products that could easily be made in the U.S., but aren't.  Can spot worms a mile away with his middle and lower class disdain, because THEY are destroying the earth with their older model cars. 

[lod001]

2 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

Has anyone ever said it could be?  None that I know of.  (if it exists of course)

All the libtards.

[lod001]

49 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Its rather arrogant to think we have such a notable impact on climate.

Same arrogance that we are it in the universe....or we really are in a simulation.

[RaiderHaters Revenge]

Plant life thrives at 900-1200 ppm of co2. Just saying. Plant more trees. 
 

also I’ll worry when Obama and Gore sell there million dollar beach front estates

[IGotWorms]

1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

you are an alarmist because you have a problem and no solutions.  there is no way to get china and india to conform to emissions standards. this thread is just a sky screaming guilt trip you focking bot.

Well it certainly would’ve helped if we hadn’t spent the last couple decades debating whether the problem was even real or not, and doing dumbass sh1t like your boy taking us out of the Paris Accord.

That said, I’m not a scientist, but whatever they say to do, do it. Come take my focking car away tomorrow and replace it with s sh1tty electric two seater, I don’t care. Slap solar panels on the roof and send me a bill. Whatever it takes, do it. Then try to get everyone else in the world to do it too. It won’t work though and it’s too late, I won’t argue that.

[RaiderHaters Revenge]

28 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Well it certainly would’ve helped if we hadn’t spent the last couple decades debating whether the problem was even real or not, and doing dumbass sh1t like your boy taking us out of the Paris Accord.

That said, I’m not a scientist, but whatever they say to do, do it. Come take my focking car away tomorrow and replace it with s sh1tty electric two seater, I don’t care. Slap solar panels on the roof and send me a bill. Whatever it takes, do it. Then try to get everyone else in the world to do it too. It won’t work though and it’s too late, I won’t argue that.

So you literally think it’s a good idea for the United States to pay for the entire worlds climate issues while China and India do whatever the fock they want til 2035? Cause that’s what the Paris accord is 

 

also we could cover the entire state of Montana with solar and it wouldn’t even come close to powering the New York subway system 

all climate discussions are propaganda if they don’t include nuclear 

[Strike]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

So you literally think it’s a good idea for the United States to pay for the entire worlds climate issues while China and India do whatever the fock they want til 2035? Cause that’s what the Paris accord is  

 

also we could cover the entire state of Montana with solar and it would even come close to powering the New York subway system 

all climate discussions are propaganda if they don’t include nuclear 

 

Yep.  And John Kerry is on record as saying the U.S. could reduce it's carbon emissions to ZERO and it wouldn't do much to help this issue.  As I said above, get back to me when there is buy-in from all the third world countries that are trying to become 2nd world countries.  But good luck with that.  If you were a sh*thole country trying to improve the lives of your people, would climate change be the most important thing on your mind?

[Gladiators]

Looks like Worms is willing/able to pay for it, so whatever he thinks we need to do, I'm on board with.  I'll send him a bill, which is going to be hefty.

[Cdub100]

We can totally stop global warming. All we have to do is send trillions to some fund to dole out to politicians... I mean countries to curb their CO2 emissions.

[TBayXXXVII]

4 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

As opposed to your game.    Give billions to fake green companies on a ruse that perhaps it might do something that NOBODY has claimed can be done.  But it's MY attitude.   

This x 100

[Baker Boy]

Look, the climate crisis is not our fight alone; it’s a global fight.  The United States accounts, as all of you know, less than 15 percent of carbon emissions.  The rest of the world accounts for 85 percent.  That’s why I kept my commitment to rejoin the Paris Accord — because if we do everything perfectly, it’s not going to ultimately matter. - Joe Biden

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/04/29/remarks-by-president-biden-in-address-to-a-joint-session-of-congress/

 

[posty]

4 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Humans have already heated the planet by roughly 1.1 degrees Celsius, or 2 degrees Fahrenheit, since the 19th century, largely by burning coal, oil and gas for energy.

Wow!!!  An entire two degree increase since the 1800s...

What a farce...

[Strike]

32 minutes ago, posty said:

Wow!!!  An entire two degree increase since the 1800s...

What a farce...

He's also wrong.  I don't know the exact amount of the increase, although last time I did it was significantly less than 2 degrees F, but I do know that no one can say with certainty how much of that increase is MM and how much is from other causes. 

[frank]

6 hours ago, wiffleball said:

This is why I open my windows when the ac is on. Cools the outside. 

Yeah, but it heats the inside. Eventually, we will have to stay outside all the time.

[jerryskids]

6 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

This isn’t some policy quandary to tinker with, it effects everything. Fresh water, crops, livestock, where you live, storms, heat stroke, rising sea levels, mass extinctions, EVERYTHING 

Interesting, when I read the CNN summary of the 3500 page report, my first thought was:  how exactly do we know that this temp increase is all bad?  Does this mean if we could get the temp to lower even more, the planet would be an Eden?  Prolly not.  But when you see, say, flooding and drought listed together, it makes me raise an eyebrow.  Is it flooding or is it drought?  I think you can use science to defend either, but for goodness sakes, pick one.  Otherwise it seems like a shotgun blast to hit something, anything.  Anyway, @MTSkiBumalready brought up the question and handled it much better than I could.

On a related note, I wonder if there is anything in that 3500 page report which does NOT call the alarm.  I ask because long ago when I was a newbie engineer, our group developed a very complex widget.  I wrote the test vectors to see if the samples worked, which would have been very unlikely for the first try.  But lo and behold, we got our first 6 widget samples back, I threw #1 on the tester, and the green Pass light came on.  Woot!  Then I tried #2, it also worked, dayam I’m slapping my own back in congrats at my awesomeness!  Then #3 worked and I started wondering… it’s really really unlikely that all 3 of these would work.  And sure enough, they all passed.  But I looked into it and found that somewhere in translations the test vectors became a null set (basically start, finish with nothing in between).  With the actual vectors they all failed, which was much more expected.  The point of this being:  if you have those many disparate evaluations and 100% of them point the same way, it is either an incontrovertible fact or there is something funny with the report.  I think we are close if not there to calling the temp increase a “fact.”  I certainly concede it.  But the anthropomorphic impact, the ramifications to the earth, and timeframes are all matters of speculation.  

Then we have the nuclear discussion which @Strikebrought up.  Until nuclear is embraced the Worms’ of the world can spew their cult doctrines into the Saharan rain forest for all I care.  Because that’s all it is, a cult, not a serious problem.  

[frank]

It even worse than that. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RLLD]

3 hours ago, posty said:

Wow!!!  An entire two degree increase since the 1800s...

What a farce...

 

Warming and cooling happens all the time, there was a period from 950 to 1250 where there was a spike, and then in the year without a summer in 1816 from volcanic activity.   These events were due to global changes, and it happens all the time in history.  Over the last 50 years people become more aware and interested in nature and along with it brought a rather arrogant view that humans can control it.  Its laughable.

[Utilit99]

Maybe we can get a little help here from our indian friends.

 

[Baker Boy]

Quote

The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen, Norway.

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf streamsed still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

The text above is a genuine transcription of a 1922 newspaper article, an Associated Press account which appeared on page 2 of the Washington Post on 2 November of that year:

[Bert]

Hypocrisy at its finest, the democrats are asking OPEC+ to increase oil production.