BeenHereBefore 1,300 Posted September 8, 2021 I do and know matter what you believe in, do you feel this is not the end ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,300 Posted September 8, 2021 Or doesn't this is matter and be just like Ayn Rand ? Just be a Richard and please yourself and screw all. Dust in the wind and end of story to us all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,258 Posted September 8, 2021 Nope. Not at all. In fact, I think when you die its POOF. And you're dead. Because you are in fact dead, there isn't a second of remorse, fear, longing, anything at all. You are just dead. It is complete and total. I believe in this so much that I am willing to say you don't even know you are dead when it happens. It's just over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 181 Posted September 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, supermike80 said: Nope. Not at all. In fact, I think when you die its POOF. And you're dead. Because you are in fact dead, there isn't a second of remorse, fear, longing, anything at all. You are just dead. It is complete and total. I believe in this so much that I am willing to say you don't even know you are dead when it happens. It's just over. ....and if it's a simulation that you are in, we all go poof as well. Stay safe out there. , we need ya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,444 Posted September 8, 2021 No you focking dumb heeb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted September 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, edjr said: No you focking dumb heeb. Pretty sure a true heeb agrees you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 488 Posted September 8, 2021 3 hours ago, supermike80 said: Nope. Not at all. In fact, I think when you die its POOF. And you're dead. Because you are in fact dead, there isn't a second of remorse, fear, longing, anything at all. You are just dead. It is complete and total. I believe in this so much that I am willing to say you don't even know you are dead when it happens. It's just over. Agree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 811 Posted September 8, 2021 Remember what life was like before you born? That's exactly what death feels like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted September 8, 2021 What about strudel? I mean, how can it be a national dish of Austria? Too sweet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masshole 642 Posted September 8, 2021 Long post, but this is what I said in response to this kind of question about a year ago: I grew up a Catholic. Both parents were old-school masshole Catholics. Went to church every Sunday, confession, all that stuff. Drifted away from it as I got older. As I got even older and started to think about the issues and ideas, I became an atheist and I do not believe in god. My views of organized religion became more cynical over time and are pretty negative now. I believe that they are both a form of control and a reaction to the desperate desire of almost all of humankind to answer the question "is there anything after we die?" Telling people that there is something more/better after we die not only answers that desperate question but it also makes for a more malleable and manageable population for the ruling elite. Done and done. Everybody is scared that this all we have. No one knows what happens after. How will your population react if they realize that the medieval sh!t sandwich of a life that they have is all they will ever have? They will rise up and throw your a$$es out and take all of your stuff. Can't have that. If you can answer the question that they are all crying for and make them easier to rule at the same time = win. What I have written above could explain almost all organized religions in all of human history. On the existential question, that one was harder to figure out but here's where I am at. There has to be divinity because it is just too impossible that we could be here and doing what we are doing, right? But when you consider the enormity of the universe and the breadth of time, you are talking about a trillion billion things coming into contact with a trillion billion opportunities and then you actually have the chance of the longest of long shots coming through. Some lightning, some OK environmental conditions, and trillion other coincidences come together and that creates life. Over millions of years life slowly builds and there are natural built in rewards for the life that is resourceful and relentlessly reproduces. Given enough time that then evolves to humans and humans succeed above all because of their ability to think at a higher level. That is then naturally reinforced and rewarded again and humankind then rapidly evolves to dominate the world and it's thinking ability evolves rapidly too. And now we are here where we are because of that. And that thinking would mean that there is probably life in the universe beyond us but not a lot of it as it takes the coincidences of a trillion billion possibilities coming together to make it happen. So there is no god, no grand purpose, nothing to live for, right? Not really. If you think like me that we are just the result of a colossal cosmic crap shoot and there is nothing but darkness after we go - then the only option is to be as hedonistic as possible for the time you have, right? I guess you could go that route. But my attitude is that if this is all I have then I am not going to waste it being some kind of self-centered doosh bag. What I am going to try to do is enjoy life as much as I can but if this is all I have - there has to be some meaning. So raising your family right, contributing to your community, being a good friend, and doing something with your career where you have some meaning and impact (positively) on others is all you have to leave for your footprint. So in it's own weird way, atheism if properly applied and understood actually ends up with you believing in living a life that would be in line with the best and most useful teachings of organized religion, without all of the other crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 811 Posted September 8, 2021 It's interesting that "who you're related to" is relative. In the short scope, you're related to your grandparents, parents and siblings. Then to your cousins and 2nd cousins. Go back in time far enough and you're related to every human on the planet. Go back further and you're related to every animal, and further still you're related to every plant and life-form on the planet. Go all the way back to the big bang and you're related to every rock and particle in the universe. Religion focuses too much on the individual. Everything is related. It's one giant entity. Kumbaya muthaf*ker! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mookz 1,286 Posted September 8, 2021 It's very easy to say no, but if even one of the millions of ghost stories out there is true, then mmm boy. And some of them are pretty convincing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,285 Posted September 8, 2021 8 hours ago, BeenHereBefore said: I do and know matter what you believe in, do you feel this is not the end ? *no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,285 Posted September 8, 2021 Pass what? Gas? 300 yards? Kidney stone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 995 Posted September 8, 2021 Yes. I believe there is something after death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,518 Posted September 8, 2021 Nope not at all. There is no spirit. The white lite people see is just to allow the body to pass calmly and that’s it. That light goes out and it’s over Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,069 Posted September 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: Nope not at all. There is no spirit. The white lite people see is just to allow the body to pass calmly and that’s it. That light goes out and it’s over The white light is the doctor shining his pen light in your eye to see if it dilates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,508 Posted September 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Utilit99 said: What about strudel? I mean, how can it be a national dish of Austria? Too sweet. iche liebe strudel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,518 Posted September 8, 2021 3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: The white light is the doctor shining his pen light in your eye to see if it dilates. my dad saw the light when he was dying, there was no doctor around Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,285 Posted September 8, 2021 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: my dad saw the light when he was dying, there was no doctor around Oncoming train? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted September 8, 2021 9 hours ago, supermike80 said: Nope. Not at all. In fact, I think when you die its POOF. And you're dead. Because you are in fact dead, there isn't a second of remorse, fear, longing, anything at all. You are just dead. It is complete and total. I believe in this so much that I am willing to say you don't even know you are dead when it happens. It's just over. in the simulation hypothesis it is given that our primitive civilization is already bordering on creating a matrix or holodeck scenario for us to live in. Something like that should be available in the next 1,000 years which is really quick. Given that, it is almost impossible that this is not a simulation because we would have to be living in that tiny tiny window where the first simulation has not been created yet. And if we are in a simulation then death is not the end here that we go on to something else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted September 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Bier Meister said: iche liebe strudel. Ich bin ein strudel 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted September 8, 2021 3 hours ago, TheNewGirl said: Yes. I believe there is something after death. #metoo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,258 Posted September 8, 2021 We created heaven and an afterlife because as humans we just can't accept that this is it. It's scary. So much invested into this to just to have it go away so totally. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masshole 642 Posted September 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, supermike80 said: We created heaven and an afterlife because as humans we just can't accept that this is it. It's scary. So much invested into this to just to have it go away so totally. Sh!t, I think you just said in 3 sentences what it took me 3 paragraphs to say. . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Masshole said: Sh!t, I think you just said in 3 sentences what it took me 3 paragraphs to say. . . The odds of him being correct seem to be about zero so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BufordT 370 Posted September 8, 2021 The meaning of life is there is no meaning so have as much fun as you can while you're out here floating around in space. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted September 8, 2021 1 minute ago, BufordT said: The meaning of life is there is no meaning so have as much fun as you can while you're out here floating around in space. That's satanism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted September 8, 2021 In the 2017 film "the discovery" science proves there is an afterlife. This results in a wave of suicides which has consequences. Haven't seen it but sounds like some might be interested here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,518 Posted September 8, 2021 37 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: In the 2017 film "the discovery" science proves there is an afterlife. This results in a wave of suicides which has consequences. Haven't seen it but sounds like some might be interested here. no science and proof of afterlife cannot exist, because there is no proof of afterlife existing but you're going to use a fiction film to prove it? nevermind I think I misunderstood you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,069 Posted September 8, 2021 2 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: my dad saw the light when he was dying, there was no doctor around That's interesting. Do you think he saw it or do you think he thinks he saw it? Just curious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted September 9, 2021 No chance the universe and humanity are not part of a design. This universe is too perfect in too many ways. Afterlife may or may not be real, but I'm guessing it is real. There is evidence for design… The unraveling of the Human Genome Code was announced to the world as the discovery of the language of the Creator by then President, Bill Clinton. What scientists discovered was an extremely sophisticated genetic language necessary for even the simplest life forms to exist. To believe that this level of apparent design happened either randomly or by chance is a mathematical equation of probability with more zeros than I care to type (plus I don’t know what the word is for numbers which are thousands of trillions!). Read Peer Reviewed Scientific Articles supporting the case for design in the universe The universe displays an amazingly complex level of interdependency which logically leads to the conclusion that it was designed that way. There are just too many coincidences of such “just rightness” for it too be a random haphazard coincidence. The earth is “just the right” distance from the Sun; it contains “just the right” mixture of chemicals and gases to sustain life; humans have “just the right” ability to breath these gases; the human body has “just the right” synergy of internal organs in order to function, and so on. Its important to note that the Bible does not give a date for the commencement of creation of the universe, or the date for the creation of mankind. The universe may well be 13,700,000,000 years old, and mankind’s origins may well be as recent as 150,000 – 200,000 years ago. These numbers are in no way counter to the Biblical record, and extremely compatible with the evidence. (See, “Who Was Adam?” by Dr. Fazale Rana, and Dr Hugh Ross, RTB Press, 2015, p. 66-67.) “Perhaps the most popular and intuitively plausible argument for God’s existence is the so-called argument from design. According to this argument, the design that is apparent in nature suggests the existence of a cosmic Designer…Although I was once sharply critical of the argument to design, I have since come to see that, when correctly formulated, this argument constitutes a persuasive case for the existence of God.” “There IS a God”, Antony Flew, Harper One, 2007:95 Antony Flew artfully describes the design of the universe, and in particular its obvious design for humans, by asking his readers to imagine arriving at a motel room without a booking. As they come into their assigned room their favourite CD is playing their favourite track. As they bring their bags into the room they smell a very familiar fragrance. In fact, it is so familiar because it is their favourite scent. As they place their bags down they notice a basket of their favourite food waiting for them on the bed. On the wall hangs a copy of their favourite artwork. In the mini-bar there is a complimentary block of their favourite chocolate next to their favourite soft drink. It appears that someone knew they were coming and also knew they would be staying in this room! In Flew’s scenario, there are just a handful of parameters (the music, the scent, the food, the drink, the artwork) that indicate that someone designed the room for a particular guest. According to Dr Hugh Ross of Reasons To Believe (www.reasons.org) there are over 400 parameters that are simultaneously needed in order for human life to be possible on earth. If one takes Flew’s analogy and considers not just the parameters that make life possible, but those which make life enjoyable and give pleasure to life, we soon discover that this list of design parameters climbs to over 600! For Flew the reasons for so many “Anthropic” design parameters became undeniably obvious: there must be a Designer. He argues that if all it takes is five or so parameters in a motel room for us to conclude that someone designed our arrival, then what do you do with an entire planet that displays around 600 such parameters? Dr Hugh Ross has been one of the pioneers in developing a comprehensive list of all the parameters necessary for human life. Human existence is possible because the constants of physics and the parameters for the universe and for planet Earth lie within certain highly restricted ranges. John Wheeler and others interpret these amazing “coincidences” as proof that human existence somehow determines the design of the universe. Drawing an illogical parallel with delayed-choice experiments in quantum mechanics, they say that observations by humans influence the design of the universe, not only now, but back to the beginning. Such versions of what is called the “anthropic principle” reflect current philosophical and religious leanings towards the deification of man. They produce no evidence to support the notion that man’s present acts can influence past events. Furthermore, their analogies with quantum mechanics break down on this point. The “coincidental” values of the constants of physics and the parameters of the universe point, rather, to a designer who transcends the dimensions and limits of the physical universe. Dr. Hugh Ross, http://www.origins.org/articles/ross_designanthropic.html, as of March 2009 In one of his earliest articles on the parameters necessary for human life (http://www.origins.org/articles/ross_designanthropic.html, as of March 2009) Dr Ross discusses some of his early findings- Cosmic Connection Now that the limits and parameters of the universe can be calculated, and some even directly measured, astronomers and physicists have begun to recognize a connection between these limits and parameters and the existence of life. It is impossible to imagine a universe containing life in which any one of the fundamental constants of physics or any one of the fundamental parameters of the universe is different, even slightly so, in one way or another. From this recognition arises the anthropic principle—everything about the universe tends toward man, toward making life possible and sustaining it… Insufficient Universe It is clear that man is too limited to have created the universe. But, it is also evident that the universe is too limited to have created man. The universe contains no more than 1080 baryons (Baryons are protons and other fundamental particles, such as neutrons, that decay into protons) and has been in existence for no more than 1018 seconds… The bottom line is that the universe is at least ten billion orders of magnitude (a factor of 1010,000,000,000 times) too small or too young for life to have assembled itself by natural processes. (A common rebuttal is that not all amino acids in organic molecules must be strictly sequenced. One can destroy or randomly replace about 1 amino acid out of 100 without doing damage to the function of the molecule. This is vital since life necessarily exists in a sequence—disrupting radiation environment. However, this is equivalent to writing a computer program that will tolerate the destruction of 1 statement of code out of 1001. In other words, this error-handling ability of organic molecules constitutes a far more unlikely occurrence than strictly sequenced molecules). The evidence for the universe being designed is overwhelming. This observation is not original. It was stated much earlier by one of the world’s leading cosmologists and physicists, Paul Davies, who said- “the impression of design is overwhelming” Paul Davies, “The Cosmic Blueprint: New Discoveries in Nature’s Creative Ability To Order the Universe”, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1988:203 Dr. Hugh Ross goes on in his article to list 19 specific parameters necessary for a planet to sustain complex life- 1. Number of star companions if more than one: tidal interactions would disrupt planetary orbits if less than one: not enough heat produced for life 2. Parent star birth date if more recent: star would not yet have reached stable burning phase if less recent: stellar system would not yet contain enough heavy elements 3. Parent star age if older: luminosity of star would not he sufficiently stable if younger: luminosity of star would not be sufficiently stable 4. Parent star distance from center of galaxy if greater: not enough heavy elements to make rocky planets if less: stellar density and radiation would he too great 5. Parent star mass if greater: luminosity output from the star would not be sufficiently stable if less: range of distances appropriate for life would be too narrow; tidal forces would disrupt the rotational period for a planet of the right distance 6. Parent star color if redder: insufficient photosynthetic response if bluer: insufficient photosynthetic response 7. Surface gravity if stronger: planet’s atmosphere would retain huge amounts of ammonia and methane if weaker: planet’s atmosphere would lose too much water 8. Distance from parent star if farther away: too cool for a stable water cycle if closer: too warm for a stable water cycle 9. Thickness of crust if thicker: too much oxygen would he transferred from the atmosphere to the crust if thinner: volcanic and tectonic activity would be too great 10. Rotation period if longer: diurnal temperature differences would he too great if shorter: atmospheric wind velocities would he too great 11. Gravitational interaction with a moon if greater: tidal effects on the oceans, atmosphere, and rotational period would he too severe if less: earth’s orbital obliquity would change too much causing climatic instabilities 12. Magnetic field if stronger: electromagnetic storms would be too severe if weaker: no protection from solar wind particles 13. Axial tilt if greater: surface temperature differences would be too great if less: surface temperature differences would he too great 14. Albedo (ratio of reflected light to total amount falling on surface) if greater: runaway ice age would develop if less: runaway greenhouse effect would develop 15. Oxygen to nitrogen ratio in atmosphere if larger: life functions would proceed too quickly if smaller: life functions would proceed too slowly 16. Carbon dioxide and water vapor levels in atmosphere if greater: runaway greenhouse effect would develop if less: insufficient greenhouse effect 17. Ozone level in atmosphere if greater: surface temperatures would become too low if less: surface temperatures would he too high; too much uv radiation at surface 18. Atmospheric electric discharge rate if greater: too much fire destruction if less: too little nitrogen fixing in the soil 19. Seismic activity if greater: destruction of too many life-forms if less: nutrients on ocean floors would not be uplifted Dr Ross continues on to say that there are even more necessary parameters for a planet to sustain life- About a dozen other parameters, such as atmospheric chemical composition, currently are being researched for their sensitivity in the support of life. However, the nineteen (parameters) listed (in Table 1, above) in themselves lead safely to the conclusion that much fewer than a trillionth of a trillionth of a percent of all stars will have a planet capable of sustaining life. Considering that the universe contains only about a trillion galaxies, each averaging a hundred billion stars, we can see that not even one planet would be expected, by natural processes alone, to possess the necessary conditions to sustain life. No wonder Robert Rood and James Trefil (Rood, Robert T. and Treffi, James S. Are We Alone? The Possibility of Extraterrestrial Civilizations. New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1983) and others have surmised that intelligent physical life exists only on the earth. It seems abundantly clear that the earth, too, in addition to the universe, has experienced divine design. Dr. Hugh Ross, “Design & The Anthropic Principle”, http://www.origins.org/articles/ross_designanthropic.html Professor Antony Flew marvels at the complexity of life’s design as he writes- …there is a rich narrative drama surrounding our current understanding of the cell…The genetic message in DNA is duplicated in replication and then copied from DNA to RNA in transcription. Following this there is translation whereby the message from RNA is conveyed to the amino acids, and finally the amino acids are assembled into proteins. The cell’s two fundamentally different structures of information management and chemical activity are coordinated by the universal genetic code. “There IS a God”, Antony Flew, Harper One, 2007:126-127 Professor Paul Davies calls the undeniable design of universe and in particular earth’s unique place in the universe as The Goldilocks Enigma. There are simply too many ‘just rights’ in the universe to dismiss the universe’s obvious design. While the late Professor Carl Sagan dismissed planet earth as an insignificant, pale blue dot, his successor, Professor Brian Greene (Professor of Mathematics & Physics at Columbia University), is far less prepared to deny the obvious. He says that the fact of the universe’s designed cannot be denied so the real issue is not whether it is designed but who is the Designer? Professor Greene appeases atheists by avoiding the theologically loaded term: “God”, instead opting for the term Grand Organising Designer, which coincidentally equates to G.O.D. He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, Matthew 19:4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldMaid 1,838 Posted September 9, 2021 13 hours ago, supermike80 said: Nope. Not at all. In fact, I think when you die its POOF. And you're dead. Because you are in fact dead, there isn't a second of remorse, fear, longing, anything at all. You are just dead. It is complete and total. I believe in this so much that I am willing to say you don't even know you are dead when it happens. It's just over. This 10 hours ago, GobbleDog said: Remember what life was like before you born? That's exactly what death feels like. And this. 3 hours ago, supermike80 said: We created heaven and an afterlife because as humans we just can't accept that this is it. It's scary. So much invested into this to just to have it go away so totally. Exactly 7 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: The white light is the doctor shining his pen light in your eye to see if it dilates. Actually, I heard it has something to do with the ocular nerve or something. It’s basically some final synapses firing as your eyesight shuts down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 2,702 Posted September 9, 2021 I love when people answer one way or the other with certainty, you don't have a clue, stop acting like you do. I'll quote Mr. Einstein, “Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another.” There are scenarios we couldn't possibly comprehend. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 1,886 Posted September 9, 2021 When I was a kid I had dreams I was a wolf. In those dreams I was hunted down and shot. Many years later I was shot in my right hip by some gangster joy riding at the lakefront wanting to kill whitey on a beautiful Sunday afternoon. Went to the hospital and they did an X-ray of my entire body. The doctor asked me if I’ve been shot before. Me: No. Why? Doc: You have a bullet in your left shoulder with no visible scarring or tissue damage. Made zero sense to me as I know it’s not possible for that to happen. Come out of moms place and have a bullet wound that is found twenty years later? OMDamb gawd. I’m beginning to sound like GFIAFP. Someone please come and shoot me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,069 Posted September 9, 2021 12 hours ago, OldMaid said: Actually, I heard it has something to do with the ocular nerve or something. It’s basically some final synapses firing as your eyesight shuts down. I could believe that. I just hear all the time that hearing is the last thing to go. In stories where people say they saw a light, that's usually the last thing they remember and not what they heard. So, if they saw the light last, then technically hearing isn't the last thing to go. If hearing is the last thing to go, maybe they're imagining they saw the light because they've heard people claim to have seen the light, so they think they saw it too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted March 17, 2022 This is for those in the other thread just created about this topic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted March 17, 2022 We need to keep these threads alive so we don't keep creating more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,686 Posted March 17, 2022 We were alive before we were born. A sperm and egg were both alive before they became a human. Maybe we just don’t understand the possibilities of what can happen after we die. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites