Bills at KC

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 hours ago, Horseman said:

Agree that the current rules place waaaaaay too much weight on a coin toss.  86-67-10 in favor of the winner of the coin toss.  That's only 53% favor to win which doesn't sound like much, but, has anyone ever deferred?  No, it's too much of an advantage.

ETA: That being said, if the Bills knew how to tackle, they win handedly in regulation.

Although not exactly the same numbers, it's how casinos make a fortune every year. The odds are in their favor at all times.

The NFL overtime rules are stupid.  

[Cruzer 1,992]

I think the OT rules absolutely should be changed. 

The argument "just make a stop" doesn't wash - for 2 reasons. 1) the rules are so slanted and heavily favor the offense and 2) the data overwhelmingly proves it's an advantage to win the flip...... Rapoport reported today (under the current OT rules) there have been 11 OT playoff games - those winning the toss........ are 10-1. 

What's the solution? Idk, but certainly something needs to be done. 

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7 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

I think the OT rules absolutely should be changed. 

The argument "just make a stop" doesn't wash - for 2 reasons. 1) the rules are so slanted and heavily favor the offense and 2) the data overwhelmingly proves it's an advantage to win the flip...... Rapoport reported today (under the current OT rules) there have been 11 playoff games - those winning the toss........ are 10-1. 

What's the solution? Idk, but certainly something needs to be done. 

Maybe a similar comparison would be if a baseball game went to extra innings and giving a winning coin toss to one team to bat first in extra innings, and if they score a run then the game is over before the other team gets to bat.

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Mahomes is just eliter. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

wahhh, play the game with the rules

I am a Bills fan

they should have never changed the OT rules in the first place

pusification of the US continues, wahhhh its not fair, grow a pair, win the game in regulation, man up

the NFL is 2h touch already

the only change I am ok with is play a straight 15 mins.  Tie, keep going

I am ok with going back to the original rules, put more on the first 60 minutes of the game

 

[Bier Meister 1,512]

With the new rules:

there have been 11 ot games.

10 of them were won by the team that won the toss 

 

seems like an unearned, random advantage 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,595]

I like an exciting football game. There aren’t enough of them. Let me play it out the same way you do the first 60 minutes. Changing it is stupid. Only stupid people think it’s not. 

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32 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

With the new rules:

there have been 11 ot games.

10 of them were won by the team that won the toss 

 

seems like an unearned, random advantage 

There have been more than 11. Also that doesn’t mean they won them with only one drive

based on horseman’s no’s it’s only 53% win rate for the winning coin toss team

[Bier Meister 1,512]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

There have been more than 11. Also that doesn’t mean they won them with only one drive

based on horseman’s no’s it’s only 53% win rate for the winning coin toss team

11 overtime playoff games since the rule change.

10 won by the team who won the coin toss.

7 of those on the first possession 

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4 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

wahhh, play the game with the rules

I am a Bills fan

they should have never changed the OT rules in the first place

pusification of the US continues, wahhhh its not fair, grow a pair, win the game in regulation, man up

the NFL is 2h touch already

the only change I am ok with is play a straight 15 mins.  Tie, keep going

I am ok with going back to the original rules, put more on the first 60 minutes of the game

 

Maybe just let the coin toss decide overtime?  To hell with playing, just use a coin.

[listen2me 23 1,537]

Don't love the OT rules but not a big have to change them guy either.  

The Bills lost on the 13 seconds obviously.  Their coaches failed them.  They played that about as bad as you can play it.  Mahomes is great but he gets no credit for that.  Bills let them play pitch and catch and handed them a 49 yard try.  Defending boundaries when Chiefs have 13 seconds and 2 timeouts.  Defending grass while Kelce just runs to the a wide open pasture then gains yards after catch.  Zero resistance.  They conceded half the field like here just take it if you want it.  Allen deserved better than that effort.  Number 1 ranked defense.  Multiple coaches getting HC interviews.   And that is how they play it.  Simply amazing. 

[lod001 1,235]

The current rules have always been stupid for the playoffs. Reg season, meh. But you play your ass off, make the playoffs and then you never get the chance to win the game. It's now happened 3 times in the last few years. Goodell is just a moron banking big $. Should have been fired long ago.

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

11 overtime playoff games since the rule change.

10 won by the team who won the coin toss.

7 of those on the first possession 

If you think about it, even if the team who wins the coin toss, and they go maybe 20 yards or so and then punt, they can put the other team closer to the goal line to start their drive. Any way you look at it, it's a shltty OT rule. 

All in the name of "player safety". Do you think the Bill's offense was worried about their safety in that game?

 

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2 hours ago, Alias Detective said:

Maybe just let the coin toss decide overtime?  To hell with playing, just use a coin.

Has to be 2 out of 3. Has to. 

[edjr 5,547]

Maybe the captain from each team can flip a quarter at the stairs, closest wins

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2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Don't love the OT rules but not a big have to change them guy either.  

The Bills lost on the 13 seconds obviously.  Their coaches failed them.  They played that about as bad as you can play it.  Mahomes is great but he gets no credit for that.  Bills let them play pitch and catch and handed them a 49 yard try.  Defending boundaries when Chiefs have 13 seconds and 2 timeouts.  Defending grass while Kelce just runs to the a wide open pasture then gains yards after catch.  Zero resistance.  They conceded half the field like here just take it if you want it.  Allen deserved better than that effort.  Number 1 ranked defense.  Multiple coaches getting HC interviews.   And that is how they play it.  Simply amazing. 

Mike McCarthy and Dak Prescott say hold my beer.

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Dodgeball at the 50 yard line? 

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7 minutes ago, edjr said:

Mike McCarthy and Dak Prescott say hold my beer.

Perhaps.  But I am shocked at the amount of people not pointing to the completely inept way the Bills handled the 13 seconds.  Instead giving credit to Mahomes or pointing to OT.  Thr game was won.  All they had to do is get partially in their way, instead they got out of their way and hoped time would run out.  Or get creative and squib to take at least a few seconds off.  Or get creative and hold the wrs.  With 13 seconds left Mahomes basically has to get rid of the ball within 2 seconds of the snap.  Knowing this gives the defense a great advantage.  Instead they decided to go with the give them wide open throws and runs after catch and hope strategy.  If the Bills give 1 ounce of resistance they are playing on Sunday.  

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6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Perhaps.  But I am shocked at the amount of people not pointing to the completely inept way the Bills handled the 13 seconds.  Instead giving credit to Mahomes or pointing to OT.  Thr game was won.  All they had to do is get partially in their way, instead they got out of their way and hoped time would run out.  Or get creative and squib to take at least a few seconds off.  Or get creative and hold the wrs.  With 13 seconds left Mahomes basically has to get rid of the ball within 2 seconds of the snap.  Knowing this gives the defense a great advantage.  Instead they decided to go with the give them wide open throws and runs after catch and hope strategy.  If the Bills give 1 ounce of resistance they are playing on Sunday.  

After the 1st dump off to Hill, they 100% should have jammed all the receivers at the line. 

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5 minutes ago, edjr said:

After the 1st dump off to Hill, they 100% should have tackled all the receivers at the line. 

 

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5 minutes ago, edjr said:

After the 1st dump off to Hill, they 100% should have jammed all the receivers at the line. 

There is no one lined up on left side other than Kelce who was lined up in tight to the line.  Levi Wallace is lined up outside of him playing a shallow zone.  What exactly are you covering? A 3 yard out?  How he was positioned and the coverage he was in made him useless. He was covering a patch of grass 3 yards downfield to the left.  It boggles my mind how teams attack this scenario.  The only thing Bills made them do is throw it and catch it.  It was like a 2 minute drill in practice with no defense.  Quick pitch and catch.  

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4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

There is no one lined up on left side other than Kelce who was lined up in tight to the line.  Levi Wallace is lined up outside of him playing a shallow zone.  What exactly are you covering? A 3 yard out?  How he was positioned and the coverage he was in made him useless. He was covering a patch of grass 3 yards downfield to the left.  It boggles my mind how teams attack this scenario.  The only thing Bills made them do is throw it and catch it.  It was like a 2 minute drill in practice with no defense.  Quick pitch and catch.  

It was like watching a game of madden. I only though you could go 45 yards in 10 seconds on a video game

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17 hours ago, Horseman said:

Agree that the current rules place waaaaaay too much weight on a coin toss.  86-67-10 in favor of the winner of the coin toss.  That's only 53% favor to win which doesn't sound like much, but, has anyone ever deferred?  No, it's too much of an advantage.

ETA: That being said, if the Bills knew how to tackle, they win handedly in regulation.

But that 53% is misleading. It’s a much lower % of coin toss winners who win on their FIRST possession. The 53% includes games where each team gets the ball on offense which makes it moot and actually a % we should be happy with. 

[WhiteWonder 2,171]

The game was lost by kicking out the back of the end zone instead of keeping it in play and running time off. 

[WhiteWonder 2,171]

I honestly don’t care (as long as they don’t go college route) and would be in favor of a full 10 minute extra period…. But I also think the current overtime is fine as it is. It was broken before because it’s too easy to get in field goal range. The Bills supposedly had the #1 defense. Couldn’t hold them to a field goal. Oh well

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4 hours ago, edjr said:

After the 1st dump off to Hill, they 100% should have jammed all the receivers at the line. 

You mean tackled them at the line. 

[edjr 5,547]

34 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

 

You mean tackled them at the line. 

Yup. that too. Whatever wastes times. 

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17 minutes ago, edjr said:

Yup. that too. Whatever wastes times. 

So dumb.  Tackle everyone on 2 plays and time is over. Then they get one down to go 60 yards. 

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1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

But that 53% is misleading. It’s a much lower % of coin toss winners who win on their FIRST possession. The 53% includes games where each team gets the ball on offense which makes it moot and actually a % we should be happy with. 

There should be no advantage. Getting the ball for two consecutive possessions at the end of the game is a huge advantage. I wonder what percentage of teams win when the team that tied the  game wins the toss.

In case of a tie they should treat the end of the game like the end of a quarter, switch sides and continue play. The next score wins the game. Is that to easy?

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so, what's the concensus here?

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