Baby Formula Shortage...

[fandandy 3,311]

And who educated us?

They did.

[fandandy 3,311]

The fock?

We are so collectively stupid.

They win by putting us at odds.  

[BeenHereBefore 1,332]

Wait to there is a condom shortage after Row vs Wade gets overturned.

[Utilit99 4,099]

9 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Wait to there is a condom shortage after Row vs Wade gets overturned.

Poor liberals can't afford free condoms.

[BeenHereBefore 1,332]

Hint people should start investing in Condoms and birth control options now.

[dogcows 1,029]

16 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I told you the concern.  It's bad optics, like canceling drilling during an oil shortage.

By law, the government is required to provide “drinking water and food as appropriate” to any minors that are in their custody. This stems from a lawsuit that goes all the way back to Ronald Reagan (and was settled in 1997). The amount of formula needed is negligible on a national scale. And it was already purchased long ago through government contracts.

It’s only “bad optics” because those who love to blame everything on immigrants decided to try and make it an issue. Where were these folks in 2020 when Trump was president and the border patrol gave toilet paper to immigrants while the shelves were empty in grocery stores? Oh yeah, Trump was president, so it wasn’t a “concern.” That tells you exactly how much of an actual “concern” it truly is.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,638]

27 minutes ago, dogcows said:

By law, the government is required to provide “drinking water and food as appropriate” to any minors that are in their custody. This stems from a lawsuit that goes all the way back to Ronald Reagan (and was settled in 1997). The amount of formula needed is negligible on a national scale. And it was already purchased long ago through government contracts.

It’s only “bad optics” because those who love to blame everything on immigrants decided to try and make it an issue. Where were these folks in 2020 when Trump was president and the border patrol gave toilet paper to immigrants while the shelves were empty in grocery stores? Oh yeah, Trump was president, so it wasn’t a “concern.” That tells you exactly how much of an actual “concern” it truly is.

Illegal immigrants. Kind of an important aspect to it. Another dishonest liberal. I like how he tried to blame it on RR. These people are pathetic. Just can’t say it like it is, ever. Always some deceptive aspect to what they say. Fock off 

[jerryskids 5,199]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

By law, the government is required to provide “drinking water and food as appropriate” to any minors that are in their custody. This stems from a lawsuit that goes all the way back to Ronald Reagan (and was settled in 1997). The amount of formula needed is negligible on a national scale. And it was already purchased long ago through government contracts.

It’s only “bad optics” because those who love to blame everything on immigrants decided to try and make it an issue. Where were these folks in 2020 when Trump was president and the border patrol gave toilet paper to immigrants while the shelves were empty in grocery stores? Oh yeah, Trump was president, so it wasn’t a “concern.” That tells you exactly how much of an actual “concern” it truly is.

Thanks for the info; presuming that first paragraph is true, that is a perfectly good justification -- whether you agree or not with our immigration and asylum policies, we have a legal and moral obligation to protect the children under our care. 

For your second paragraph, I live in Arizona and you, I believe, live in upstate New York, so we have a different perspective on the issue of borders, unless you are concerned about Canadian drug and people-smuggling rings. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,064]

This is a nationwide scam.  Families we know order their formula from canada...no shortage there.  Use a vpn...change country and canada has no shortages.

[Utilit99 4,099]

6 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

This is a nationwide scam.  Families we know order their formula from canada...no shortage there.  Use a vpn...change country and canada has no shortages.

The biden effect. 

[Sean Mooney 1,184]

On 5/13/2022 at 11:11 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Gays should be able to adopt. They can’t breast feed. Neither can other adoptive parents. Just using the same rationalization that pro choice people do. Taking the small minority and presenting it as the whole. Like when shithead Mooney try’s to tell you some bumpkin can’t get condoms so abortion should be legal. 

I didn't say that. You are the worst kind of person. You sit on here and claim everyone else makes up sh!t and then you do it ALL-THE-TIME! Seriously just go away. No one would miss you. Or post your picture in the Roe vs Wade thread so we know why abortions are necessary. If your mom had just been presented that option we wouldn't have to read your pea brain fueled nonsense. 

21 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

We're supposed to make jokes here.  We used to make a lot of jokes here before you showed up

HT is a joke. 

21 hours ago, dogcows said:

I agree. Why does the right obsess over transgender kids and pass all sorts of laws to attack them, remove books about them, ban them from sports, investigate their parents for supposed child abuse, etc…?

Bingo! My guess is it is because guys like HT and Utilit99 are conflicted about their sexuality when it comes to them. I mean for a guy like HT- in his 50's- to be this obsessed with transgender kids is kinda creepy. I bet any money you see his Google history there are multiple website views of some form of chicks with dicks. 

[TimHauck 1,799]

37 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

The biden effect. 

LOL, did Biden create the FDA?

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

LOL, did Biden create the FDA?

No. But he's mishandling the fock out of it?  The problems started months ago. People have been sitting on it and doing nothing. Same with the border. Except the border has been over a year now.

[TimHauck 1,799]

1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

No. But he's mishandling the fock out of it?  The problems started months ago. People have been sitting on it and doing nothing. Same with the border. Except the border has been over a year now.

So it’s Biden’s fault the leading baby formula company apparently has bad quality control?

 

[Fireballer 2,381]

20 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

Bingo! My guess is it is because guys like HT and Utilit99 are conflicted about their sexuality when it comes to them. I mean for a guy like HT- in his 50's- to be this obsessed with transgender kids is kinda creepy. I bet any money you see his Google history there are multiple website views of some form of chicks with dicks. 

As usual, bad take Mooney is way off target. Now, if you replace "obsessed with trans kids" with "concern for unnecessary indoctrination into an ideology that will most likely fuk them up in the head", you would be spot on. But go ahead with your false equivalence, you pretty much perfected it in your gotcha commie thread.

[Sean Mooney 1,184]

34 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

As usual, bad take Mooney is way off target. Now, if you replace "obsessed with trans kids" with "concern for unnecessary indoctrination into an ideology that will most likely fuk them up in the head", you would be spot on. But go ahead with your false equivalence, you pretty much perfected it in your gotcha commie thread.

Here comes Fireballer running into the fray with a dumb take that no one asked for. I know he's used to running into things but still...

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

So it’s Biden’s fault the leading baby formula company apparently has bad quality control?

 

It's his fault for not dealing with issues in a timely manner. The border problems he flat out caused. The war in ukraine he ignored until it was too late. Same with the baby formula. The guy wants destruction and ultimite socialism. No two ways about it. 

[Fireballer 2,381]

1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

It's his fault for not dealing with issues in a timely manner. The border problems he flat out caused. The war in ukraine he ignored until it was too late. Same with the baby formula. The guy wants destruction and ultimite socialism. No two ways about it. 

The stupid clown thinks he was elected to be some transitional figure, when most people just held their nose, flipped the lever, and are praying he doesn't destroy the planet.

[wiffleball 4,640]

18 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

It's his fault for not dealing with issues in a timely manner. The border problems he flat out caused. The war in ukraine he ignored until it was too late. Same with the baby formula. The guy wants destruction and ultimite socialism. No two ways about it. 

Oh good. Because for a while there I was thinking we've had border issues for I don't know the last 150 years.

[wiffleball 4,640]

Retards.

 

The photo Hannity pointed to, and the one that followed it, showed boxes and boxes clearly labeled NIDO,” the report, titled “Outrage Creation,” read. “As anyone at Fox could have discovered with about a minute’s worth of fact-checking, NIDO is not baby formula; it is powdered milk. As its maker, Nestlé, specifically notes: ‘NIDO® products are only intended for children ages 1 year and older.’”

[dogcows 1,029]

4 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Thanks for the info; presuming that first paragraph is true, that is a perfectly good justification -- whether you agree or not with our immigration and asylum policies, we have a legal and moral obligation to protect the children under our care. 

For your second paragraph, I live in Arizona and you, I believe, live in upstate New York, so we have a different perspective on the issue of borders, unless you are concerned about Canadian drug and people-smuggling rings. 

Don’t let those Canadians fool you. Those Maple Leafs fans that come down to Buffalo for the Sabres/Leafs games are the worst of the worst… 

[Utilit99 4,099]

11 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Oh good. Because for a while there I was thinking we've had border issues for I don't know the last 150 years.

Being a cancer survivor is rough but can be managed. Dying of cancer is a whole other issue.

[TimHauck 1,799]

37 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

It's his fault for not dealing with issues in a timely manner. The border problems he flat out caused. The war in ukraine he ignored until it was too late. Same with the baby formula. The guy wants destruction and ultimite socialism. No two ways about it. 

This thread isn’t about the border or Ukraine.  And problems at a production plant are not his fault.

I do think he could have imported some from Canada or Europe or something though.

[wiffleball 4,640]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

This thread isn’t about the border or Ukraine.  And problems at a production plant are not his fault.

I do think he could have imported some from Canada or Europe or something though.

Then people would b**** because he didn't buy american.

[Utilit99 4,099]

27 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

The stupid clown thinks he was elected to be some transitional figure, when most people just held their nose, flipped the lever, and are praying he doesn't destroy the planet.

Both true. 

This is a really bad transition. And unfortunately it will take a person with Trump level anti liberal non stick coating to deal with the mess if the conservatives can beat the liberal cheating next time around.

[wiffleball 4,640]

13 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Being a cancer survivor is rough but can be managed. Dying of cancer is a whole other issue.

Okay. Now can we talk about African swallows? The average speed of an earthworm?

[wiffleball 4,640]

1 minute ago, Utilit99 said:

Both true. 

This is a really bad transition. And unfortunately it will take a person with Trump level anti liberal non stick coating to deal with the mess if the conservatives can beat the liberal cheating next time around.

It's going to be mitt Romney you guys. The Democrats are looking for sanity / lack of squad dementia and the Republicans are looking for anything that's not democrat. 

[jerryskids 5,199]

On 5/13/2022 at 3:21 PM, dogcows said:

I agree. Why does the right obsess over transgender kids and pass all sorts of laws to attack them, remove books about them, ban them from sports, investigate their parents for supposed child abuse, etc…?

 

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Bingo!  My guess is it is because guys like HT and Utilit99 are conflicted about their sexuality when it comes to them. I mean for a guy like HT- in his 50's- to be this obsessed with transgender kids is kinda creepy. I bet any money you see his Google history there are multiple website views of some form of chicks with dicks. 

Here are some thoughts for you both to ponder.  Transgenderism has become the new way for kids with psychological issues to damage themselves as a cry for help.  Others in the recent past included cutting and anorexia/bulimia, maybe ear gages and face tattoos as well. The numbers are staggering for how many people who identify on the LGBTQ spectrum are young, urban (because you know, genetics is definitely urban), and come from shiotty situations.

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1.2 million LGBTQ adults in the US identify as nonbinary

An estimated 11% of LGBTQ adults in the U.S.—approximately 1.2 million people—identify as nonbinary, according to a new study by the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law. The majority of them are under age 29, urban, and white.

Using data from two nationally representative surveys, Generations and TransPop, researchers examined the demographics and characteristics of LGBTQ adults in the U.S. ages 18-60 who identified as nonbinary in terms of their gender. Results show that nearly one-third of transgender adults identify as nonbinary. However, many cisgender LGBTQ adults also identify as nonbinary—approximately 58% of all nonbinary LGBTQ adults are cisgender and 42% are transgender.

The majority of nonbinary adults reported using queer (31%), bisexual (17%), pansexual (17%), or asexual (14%) to describe their sexual orientation.

“Nonbinary people make up a substantial part of the LGBTQ community, and they appear to experience similar kinds of vulnerabilities seen in the larger LGBTQ population,” said lead author Bianca D.M. Wilson, Senior Scholar of Public Policy at the Williams Institute. “More research is needed to understand whether there are unique needs among cisgender and transgender nonbinary people compared to each other and to their binary-identified LGBTQ counterparts.”

Key Findings

Demographics and socioeconomic characteristics

• Most nonbinary adults were born in the U.S. (96%). Most are between the ages of 18-29 (76%) and urban (89%).
• Nonbinary adults represent a range of racial/ethnic identities (approximately 58% white, 16% multiracial, 15% Latinx, 9% Black, and 2% AAPI, American Indian, and other groups).
• Among nonbinary LGBTQ adults, 42% identify as transgender, 39% identify as cis LBQ, and 19% identify as cisgender GBQ.
• Nonbinary adults report relatively high indicators of economic instability: 68% report not having enough money to make ends meet and 57% live in low-income households below 200% of the federal poverty level.

Victimization and stress

• 55% of nonbinary people were hit, beaten, physically attacked, or sexually assaulted at some point since they were 18 years old.
• 82% of them faced emotional abuse as a child, and 53% report that they were bullied often as a child.
• 11% of nonbinary people were exposed to conversion therapy as a child.

Health

• 41% of nonbinary adults report that their health is poor or fair.
• 51% of them had symptoms consistent with serious mental illness, and 39% had attempted suicide.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/lgbtq-nonbinary-press-release/

In the past we as a society recognized such behaviors for what they are and encouraged our youth to get counseling to address their issues. And for the true transgenders (and they exist, I'm not saying they don't), we had something of a system that pretty much worked.  If you wanted to transition, you were not celebrated and you had to go through a lot of counseling and analysis, and societal risk, as an adult.  It may not have been perfect but we separated the wheat from the chaff, although there wasn't much chaff in the past.

But we didn't encourage such behavior, and now we do.  Look at the numbers in my link. 

Look at them again, and tell me that this is genetic. 

There is nothing genetic about it; this is almost purely behavioral.  Look at the numbers by age; there may be some small amount of increase of actual non-binary admittance due societal acceptance, but the tremendous lean to younger, abused, emotionally confused youth is far too much to justify it.

I recognize that every generation thinks the next generation is the "end of our civilization".  But I don't think we've ever taken their dangerous cries for help and celebrate/encouraged them, that seems new.  Oh you are a confused teen throwing up their food?  Awesome, let's set up rooms in school for you to vomit, and never tell your parents about it!  And we'll lobby to have insurance pay for your surgery to remove your stomach as well.

This topic makes me so mad that I want to punch my screen.  

But in the interest of discussion, I welcome your responses.   

[Hardcore troubadour 12,638]

5 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

I didn't say that. You are the worst kind of person. You sit on here and claim everyone else makes up sh!t and then you do it ALL-THE-TIME! Seriously just go away. No one would miss you. Or post your picture in the Roe vs Wade thread so we know why abortions are necessary. If your mom had just been presented that option we wouldn't have to read your pea brain fueled nonsense. 

HT is a joke. 

Bingo! My guess is it is because guys like HT and Utilit99 are conflicted about their sexuality when it comes to them. I mean for a guy like HT- in his 50's- to be this obsessed with transgender kids is kinda creepy. I bet any money you see his Google history there are multiple website views of some form of chicks with dicks. 

Triggered.

[Sean Mooney 1,184]

12 hours ago, jerryskids said:

 

Here are some thoughts for you both to ponder.  Transgenderism has become the new way for kids with psychological issues to damage themselves as a cry for help.  Others in the recent past included cutting and anorexia/bulimia, maybe ear gages and face tattoos as well. The numbers are staggering for how many people who identify on the LGBTQ spectrum are young, urban (because you know, genetics is definitely urban), and come from shiotty situations.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/lgbtq-nonbinary-press-release/

In the past we as a society recognized such behaviors for what they are and encouraged our youth to get counseling to address their issues. And for the true transgenders (and they exist, I'm not saying they don't), we had something of a system that pretty much worked.  If you wanted to transition, you were not celebrated and you had to go through a lot of counseling and analysis, and societal risk, as an adult.  It may not have been perfect but we separated the wheat from the chaff, although there wasn't much chaff in the past.

But we didn't encourage such behavior, and now we do.  Look at the numbers in my link. 

Look at them again, and tell me that this is genetic. 

There is nothing genetic about it; this is almost purely behavioral.  Look at the numbers by age; there may be some small amount of increase of actual non-binary admittance due societal acceptance, but the tremendous lean to younger, abused, emotionally confused youth is far too much to justify it.

I recognize that every generation thinks the next generation is the "end of our civilization".  But I don't think we've ever taken their dangerous cries for help and celebrate/encouraged them, that seems new.  Oh you are a confused teen throwing up their food?  Awesome, let's set up rooms in school for you to vomit, and never tell your parents about it!  And we'll lobby to have insurance pay for your surgery to remove your stomach as well.

This topic makes me so mad that I want to punch my screen.  

But in the interest of discussion, I welcome your responses.   

How do you look at the research and come to the conclusion that "transgenderism is the new cutting"?

That is quite a jump

[Utilit99 4,099]

focking mooney groomie...

[Hardcore troubadour 12,638]

Trump placed a 17 pct tariff on baby formula from Canada. No issue with that, we are more than capable of making our own and employing our own people. But when the government is made aware that there will be a shortage you do something. Period. They didn’t. 

[jerryskids 5,199]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

How do you look at the research and come to the conclusion that "transgenderism is the new cutting"?

That is quite a jump

From the underlying detailed report in my link:

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Stressful Experiences in Adulthood and Before Age 18

Tables A.4 – A.10 provide information about stress experiences of nonbinary LGBTQ people. These data show that a majority of nonbinary people were hit, beaten, physically attacked, or sexually assaulted (55%) at some points since they were 18 years old (Figure 5). Also, most felt that they were less respected (54%) than other people over the year prior to being interviewed. Many suffered chronic stressors, including not having enough money to make ends meet (68%), feeling mentally and physically tired because of their job (68%), being alone too much (56%), and having strained or conflicted relationships with their parents (60%). Nonbinary LGBTQ adults also experienced stress in childhood (before age 18, Figure 6), including emotional (82%), physical (40%), and sexual (41%) abuse. More than one in ten nonbinary people (11%) had gone through conversion therapy to change their sexual orientation (cis LGBQ respondents) or gender identity (transgender respondents). 

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/nonbinary-lgbtq-adults-us/

[Sean Mooney 1,184]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

From the underlying detailed report in my link:

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/nonbinary-lgbtq-adults-us/

That didn't answer my question. How did you make the jump you did from one thing to the other? 

[jerryskids 5,199]

59 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

That didn't answer my question. How did you make the jump you did from one thing to the other? 

I guess I'll try:  because I'm an engineer who understands math, and statistics, and correlation.  I also understand that correlation does not necessarily mean causation, but when one finds such tremendously strong correlations in both age groups and shiotty social experiences, combined with such astronomical numbers, one looks for explanations, and this to me is the most obvious one.

Perhaps you can offer an alternative explanation.  Should we put lead back into paint and gas?   

[Sean Mooney 1,184]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I guess I'll try:  because I'm an engineer who understands math, and statistics, and correlation.  I also understand that correlation does not necessarily mean causation, but when one finds such tremendously strong correlations in both age groups and shiotty social experiences, combined with such astronomical numbers, one looks for explanations, and this to me is the most obvious one.

Perhaps you can offer an alternative explanation.  Should we put lead back into paint and gas?   

But you are saying "Kids had it bad and they used to cut themselves....now they have it bad and they are turning transgender."

You do get that is a massive, and nonsensical, leap in logic correct?

[jerryskids 5,199]

48 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

But you are saying "Kids had it bad and they used to cut themselves....now they have it bad and they are turning transgender."

You do get that is a massive, and nonsensical, leap in logic correct?

You've now asked me this three times; I've answered it twice with detailed responses, and in each case your response is to ask me again.  I'm done doing that.  Please stop wasting my time and provide your explanation for the numbers I provided, or respect my time and say "I've got nothing other than I don't like your response" and take the L. 

[Sean Mooney 1,184]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

You've now asked me this three times; I've answered it twice with detailed responses, and in each case your response is to ask me again.  I'm done doing that.  Please stop wasting my time and provide your explanation for the numbers I provided, or respect my time and say "I've got nothing other than I don't like your response" and take the L. 

Here's how the conversation went:

DGCows: asked why the right are so worried about transgender kids and passing laws to ban them and the like. 

I: mostly said in jest that guys like HT and Utilit99 are conflicted because of some weird feelings they have.

You decided to jump in and said "Transgender is the new way kids with psychological issues are treating themselves, it used to be cutting, etc."

I asked how you read that article and got to "Transgenderism is the new cutting."

You reposted the story and said "Here's my evidence." But there is nothing there evidence wise.

I asked for more evidence.

You said "I've answered twice with detailed evidence." You have not. 

You are reading an article and then adding in your own "evidence" as a means of proof when in reality it is just empty speculation from you. And now you are trying to call it a "W."

Perhaps you could show in there where it says the kids have replaced one with the other. Perhaps you could show how the numbers on adolescents cutting have lowered in correlation with transgenderism rising. Anything that might help you build your case other than "MAH FEELINGS!!"

[Hardcore troubadour 12,638]

Just hard to believe that our government, that we fund, has taken it upon themselves to give a scarce, necessary resource to non citizens who are here illegally.  Future voters. 

[jerryskids 5,199]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Here's how the conversation went:

DGCows: asked why the right are so worried about transgender kids and passing laws to ban them and the like. 

I: mostly said in jest that guys like HT and Utilit99 are conflicted because of some weird feelings they have.

You decided to jump in and said "Transgender is the new way kids with psychological issues are treating themselves, it used to be cutting, etc."

I asked how you read that article and got to "Transgenderism is the new cutting."

You reposted the story and said "Here's my evidence." But there is nothing there evidence wise.

I asked for more evidence.

You said "I've answered twice with detailed evidence." You have not. 

You are reading an article and then adding in your own "evidence" as a means of proof when in reality it is just empty speculation from you. And now you are trying to call it a "W."

Perhaps you could show in there where it says the kids have replaced one with the other. Perhaps you could show how the numbers on adolescents cutting have lowered in correlation with transgenderism rising. Anything that might help you build your case other than "MAH FEELINGS!!"

Sigh... Unfortunately there isn't a lot of data on self injury, even cutting, which I found shocking:

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Diagnosing Nonsuicidal Self-Injury Disorder (NSSID)

Nonsuicidal self-injury is not a diagnosable mental health condition: yet. Currently, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) lists nonsuicidal self-injury as one of the “Conditions for Further Study” in the most recent Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5). This designation implies the group may include the condition in future versions of the text.

Nonsuicidal self-injury involves symptoms like:

• Engaging in self-harm on five or more days over the last year
• Self-injuring to find relief from an unwanted feeling, solve a relationship conflict or create a desired feeling
• Self-harm involves unwanted feeling like depression, anxiety or anger, an intense focus on completing the behavior and frequent thoughts of self-injury

Since self-injury is not currently an official mental health diagnosis, a medical or mental health professional will ask the person questions about the behavior and the purpose of the behavior to assess the situation.

https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/mental-health/self-harm/self-harm-statistics/

You seem caught up in the data showing that there is causality between cutting decrease and transgender increase, I don't have that, take the irrelevant win if you want.  But that wasn't my point; my point is that the astronomical increase in... everything I've posted and you've ignored.  Address my earlier question of how you explain it, or my response to you is "Leftist hack."