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12 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I'd probably be out if we went to a best ball format. They can be fun in certain ways but I'm not interested in another league with less decisions to be made. The injury example is a good one but BB leagues don't typically only account for injuries. Literally not having to make any decisions on who to start or sit is much less fun, imho. 

 

I am not in any leagues that use HTH as any form of tie breaker for a few reasons

1. you don't play every opponent the same number of times (this was even more true prior to 2021 when the schedule was 1 less week and you couldn't cleanly play everyone in your division twice without adding a double header week)

2. You can very often end up in a tie with someone you played once, when 3 or 4 of your players were on bye and they had a full strength lineup. 

 

Total Points has always seemed to be the best barometer of season long success. 

 

Other leagues I run use divisional record for division winners, obviously, but tie breakers are simple total points... (believe me, if there had been a clear setting for it in Yahoo, that's how it would have been set up. It's possible I missed it as I don't really use Yahoo, but I don't remember ever seeing an option).... Worst thing that happens is the #2/3 seeds can sometimes have less points scored than a wildcard team and the #3 seed can, in rare circumstances, have a worse record than the wildcard teams.. which we know sometimes happens in the NFL too. 

Do I have a chance for the playoffs or are my players going to opt out of the Velveeta Cheese Bowl his week?

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2 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Do I have a chance for the playoffs or are my players going to opt out of the Velveeta Cheese Bowl his week?

you beat Twinsdad, I lose to Herbivore. You make the playoffs. Velveeta for everyone!

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1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

Divisions are fairly typical in FF.

 

51 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

This is true.

 

There are no divisions in high stake leagues.

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1 hour ago, Bier Meister said:

This is true. All of my 12 team leagues (except for my 2 FFPC teams) use divisions. 

 

36 minutes ago, Horseman said:

 

 

There are no divisions in high stake leagues.

As i have stated

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55 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I'd probably be out if we went to a best ball format. They can be fun in certain ways but I'm not interested in another league with less decisions to be made. The injury example is a good one but BB leagues don't typically only account for injuries. Literally not having to make any decisions on who to start or sit is much less fun, imho. 

 

 

I believe ed might have mentioned an all pts league.  I would only want to do BB if we did that due to injuries.

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38 minutes ago, Horseman said:

 

 

There are no divisions in high stake leagues.

 

1 minute ago, Bier Meister said:

 

As i have stated

 

.... but most people don't only play in high stakes sponsored leagues. I know plenty of people who play in very high stakes leagues that do use divisions. 

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

 

 

.... but most people don't only play in high stakes sponsored leagues. I know plenty of people who play in very high stakes leagues that do use divisions. 

right... i am in 6 leagues (2 are FFPC). the other 4 are 12 team leagues with 3 divisions.

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@bostonlager congrats, you have the better team.  I needed Fields to have a big day to have a chance and he's on bye.  Should put you in the post season.

:doh:  If I'd paid attention to Thursday games I'd be one win more than I'm at now and would have had the advantage.

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5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

@bostonlager congrats, you have the better team.  I needed Fields to have a big day to have a chance and he's on bye.  Should put you in the post season.

:doh:  If I'd paid attention to Thursday games I'd be one win more than I'm at now and would have had the advantage.

It ain’t over til it’s over. Sh1t happens and when it does, it seems to always find my FF teams. 

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Regardless of what happens this week, I want to thank all of you guys for being active all season. I have been a part of numerous FFToday fantasy leagues and I'm fairly certain all of the previous ones wound up with dead beat owners. :cheers: This has been a great group from the draft night and onward. 

Also for putting up with any issues or disagreements with league setup. We didn't have much time to hash things out and no one got too pissy and bailed. Which I would hope in a low stakes league for fun. Next season will be smoother sailing. :thumbsup:

and a special thanks to Bier for having a fantastic team and making sure we all know about it 

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4 hours ago, edjr said:

I am ahead of him now, so division record must not matter.

I just noticed I was #1 on waiver wire. :excited: 

Yeah I am confused and really hate Yahoo. 

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9 I quit       .4-9-0      .2-3-0      .1529.50

10 Canadian Stabber (cloaca)   .4-9-0      .3-2-0       .1471.35

 

Cloaca has the better division record but you have more points scored. Yet in the UFC division, Twinsdad is ahead of Lager in the standings with less points scored but a better division record. 

 

Yahoo must be using H2H > Division record > total points   but you guys split your season series and his margin of victory over you was greater. :wacko:

 

I have no clue

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5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Yeah I am confused and really hate Yahoo. 

Cloaca has the better division record but you have more points scored. Yet in the UFC division, Twinsdad is ahead of Lager in the standings with less points scored but a better division record. 

 

Yahoo must be using H2H > Division record > total points   but you guys split your season series and his margin of victory over you was greater. :wacko:

 

I have no clue

Rigged!  Do over! 

 

 

 

 

 

Unless I make the playoffs.

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Well shiit. This might explain it. Google searching came up with this post from 2013. You'd think things would have changed since then but it doesn't seem to have changed. 

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Yahoo's tiebreakers are incredibly inconsistent. The tiebreaker for first place in the division is determined by division record. Every other tiebreaker is determined by total points. It's incredibly dumb that they use different tiebreakers for different seeds. What's even dumber is that they do not give you the option to change it. This is one of my biggest qualms with yahoo leagues.

EDIT: I know this because last year I played in a 12 team league with 2 division, each division winner gets a bye. At the end of the regular season, my team had the same record as two others in the division and we lead the division. Myself and one of the teams had roughly 200 more points than the third (with me being the point leader by a couple), but that third team had a better division record thanks to an incredibly lucky schedule.

 

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4 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Well shiit. This might explain it. Google searching came up with this post from 2013. You'd think things would have changed since then but it doesn't seem to have changed. 

 

mfl next year

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I used to play in a 50/50 league. Half of the season pot was paid out using H2H and playoffs. The other half was paid out on a roto basis with top scoring teams for the season winning the money. 

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I think the two winners of the UFC get in.  WW gets in if he wins (3 teams out of the KFC).  If WW loses and Lager looses it will be between those two for points, otherwise the rest of us in the UFC wont catch WW and he still gets in.

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3 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

Well shiit. This might explain it. Google searching came up with this post from 2013. You'd think things would have changed since then but it doesn't seem to have changed. 

 

Head-to-Head regular season tiebreakers in Yahoo Fantasy

Tiebreakers for the regular season standings are determined through wild cards and division championships. This is not a setting that can be customized and is the same across all Public and Private Leagues. This information can help in determining how you can win a spot in your Yahoo Fantasy League playoffs!

Winning percentage calculation based on your W-L-T record

This calculation is used to determine standings and is used for tiebreakers.

  • Calculation used: (Wins + [Ties * 0.5]) / Total Games Played = Winning Percentage
  • Example: If the W-L-T record is 22-15-3, the calculation is (22 + [3 * 0.5]) / 40 = 0.588

Division championship tie

  • The division winning percentage is used first.
  • If there's still a tie, the wild card method (below) is used.
  • If there's more than 2 managers tied for division champion, once the winner is determined, the remaining teams will use the wild card method only (division winning percentage is ignored).

Wild card

In Fantasy Football:

  • Total fantasy points (season total).
  • Fantasy points scored in the most recently completed matchup.
  • Fantasy points scored in the matchup two weeks prior (this continues until the tie is broken).

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If you set it up with one division the division record would be the same for tied thus eliminating division record and going straight to highest points for tiebreakers.  

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1 minute ago, Horseman said:

If you set it up with one division the division record would be the same for tied thus eliminating division record and going straight to highest points for tiebreakers.  

well, yes... of course. If there are no divisions (or one big division as it were) there would be no reason to use division win % as a tie breaker. It feels like the majority of people would prefer just going to a straight 12 teams, top 6 make the playoffs based on wins > total points. 

thank you for posting the Yahoo Fantasy explanation :thumbsup:. I ended up finding that after the quote I posted. I didn't originally post it because it seems like an overly complicated explanation by them but it does align with the other post i found. 

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1 hour ago, Horseman said:

If you set it up with one division the division record would be the same for tied thus eliminating division record and going straight to highest points for tiebreakers.  

One division would symbolize your family tree, which does not fork.

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1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said:

One division would symbolize your family tree, which does not fork.

Awesome adolescent dig bro. 

Turns out my prediction for your fantasy success was true, sub 500 with that noob draft strategy. How long you been playing again?  

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9 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Awesome adolescent dig bro. 

Turns out my prediction for your fantasy success was true, sub 500 with that noob draft strategy. How long you been playing again?  

Glad I'm living rent free in your head.

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9 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

One division would symbolize your family tree, which does not fork.

:first: 

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1 hour ago, edjr said:

:first: 

I love how this season turned out. I've had a blast.

Either you or me with a losing record gets to roll into the playoffs while someone like Horsecunt and his winning record is done. I don't know whether he's already eliminated, but I'm rooting hard for bostonlager.

Even better if the one of us losers who moves on becomes a playoff juggernaut and wins the whole thing or at least knocks out playoff teams with winning records.

This is how a Geek Club league should be. Fock this one-division stuff.

😂

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5 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I love how this season turned out. I've had a blast.

Either you or me with a losing record gets to roll into the playoffs while someone like Horsecunt and his winning record is done. I don't know whether he's already eliminated, but I'm rooting hard for bostonlager.

Even better if the one of us losers who moves on becomes a playoff juggernaut and wins the whole thing or at least knocks out playoff teams with winning records.

This is how a Geek Club league should be. Fock this one-division stuff.

😂

agreed. :first: 

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6 minutes ago, edjr said:

agreed. :first: 

If it's good enough for the NFL, it's good enough for me.

:banana:

My only thought would be to not have so many bench positions. 

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5 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

If it's good enough for the NFL, it's good enough for me.

:banana:

My only thought would be to not have so many bench positions. 

I might just bench my team and let you take this thing down

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2 minutes ago, edjr said:

I might just bench my team and let you take this thing down

I'm all for the strongest team getting in there and potentially creating mayhem. 

Let's bring our A games! 

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1 hour ago, edjr said:

I might just bench my team and let you take this thing down

Playing for a higher draft pick next year. Smart

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13 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Glad I'm living rent free in your head.

First sentence.  🤣🤣🤣

4 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

 

Either you or me with a losing record gets to roll into the playoffs while someone like Horsecunt and his winning record is done.

I don't know whether he's already eliminated

 

Second sentence.  Math is hard for you.  :lol:   

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53 minutes ago, Horseman said:

First sentence.  🤣🤣🤣

Second sentence.  Math is hard for you.  :lol:   

I can't tell you how elated I am that your wounded butt won't be in the playoffs while a team with a losing record gets in.

Keep whining.

I'm enjoying it.

And then go find a one-division league somewhere and suck on it.

 

:overhead:

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4 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I can't tell you how elated I am that your wounded butt won't be in the playoffs while a team with a losing record gets in.

Keep whining.

I'm enjoying it.

And then go find a one-division league somewhere and suck on it.

 

Look, everyone understands there is an element of luck in FF.   60-40 skill vs luck?  75-25?  Who knows exactly, but, if you’re good at the game you want the skill number to be as high as possible.  It appears you’ve been playing in happy go lucky leagues for decades, set up for a high amount of luck, without really being any good at the skill side of the equation.  You probably even won some leagues that made you think you knew what you were doing.  In reality you’ve been walking into the casino and playing slots while most of us go to the back and play hold’em.

But let’s get it straight right now:

Soul rippers- bier

1897.8

bostonlager

1663.9

QUIT Whining (WW)

1638.85

Horsemen

1589.55

shorepatrol

1561.8

Twinsdad

1549.7

I quit

1529.5

Alias

1522.05

Canadian Stabber (cloaca)

1471.35

Gladiators

1409.5

The Herbivores

1402

Buck Wheelies

1359.7

 

If you were to win the league with the lowest points it’s would be 100% luck, not skill.  You getting into the playoffs is 100% luck.  It’s 100% luck you have 5 wins right now. 

But you’re not going to win the league.  For that amount of luck needed the statistics of it make it virtually impossible. 

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8 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Look, everyone understands there is an element of luck in FF.   60-40 skill vs luck?  75-25?  Who knows exactly, but, if you’re good at the game you want the skill number to be as high as possible.  It appears you’ve been playing in happy go lucky leagues for decades, set up for a high amount of luck, without really being any good at the skill side of the equation.  You probably even won some leagues that made you think you knew what you were doing.  In reality you’ve been walking into the casino and playing slots while most of us go to the back and play hold’em.

But let’s get it straight right now:

Soul rippers- bier

1897.8

bostonlager

1663.9

QUIT Whining (WW)

1638.85

Horsemen

1589.55

shorepatrol

1561.8

Twinsdad

1549.7

I quit

1529.5

Alias

1522.05

Canadian Stabber (cloaca)

1471.35

Gladiators

1409.5

The Herbivores

1402

Buck Wheelies

1359.7

 

If you were to win the league with the lowest points it’s would be 100% luck, not skill.  You getting into the playoffs is 100% luck.  It’s 100% luck you have 5 wins right now. 

But you’re not going to win the league.  For that amount of luck needed the statistics of it make it virtually impossible. 

muh one division. :cry:

:lol:

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No one is going to whine about "muh one division  :cry:" if the Buccaneers make the playoffs with a losing record but win that crapass division.

Luck plays a huge role in all of it because it's total chaos theory thanks to injuries, opponent strength (NFL as well as fantasy) and a bazillion other factors, like a team's No. 2 running back getting the goal-line carry. 

But your whining and butt hurt underscore why this league has been a blast.

There is humor here, but you're butt hurtness blinds you from seeing it.

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Good lord give it a rest. 
 

whatever team comes out of the JFC (appropriately named I might add) will have had more luck than most, yes. But that’s FF. That’s NFL as well. Divisions are probably more common in FF than not. “High stakes leagues don’t use divisions” is also false. High stakes sponsored leagues and tournaments yes, but there are plenty of massive buy in leagues that roll 12 teams 3 divisions. 
 

If the team who comes out of that division overcame injuries and used solid in season management to make it and solid decision making to win some playoff games, good for them. 

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45 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

If anyone drops out, I want in next year. 

You rejected me before we got Twinsdad (and before you knew I like Velveeta)

but you are the first in line of anyone drops out 

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