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Could be, but like Toney  now with KC doesn’t he need to stay healthy? 

If he can stay healthy he’ll have more upside then the Henderson. 

Worth a stash I say yes.  He should be rostered in keeper leagues already imo. 

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Hope so; but don’t get your hopes up.  ND fan here and watched him 3 yrs.  Not too impressed. He should have stayed another year to learn overall game. 
Small frame, small hands, and happy feet like no other-so frustrating!!.   His pass pro sucks!   BUT  he can catch the ball and scamper but trips on his own feet!!.  I think he only runs a mid 4.5 though.  Great character kid and brings good energy.   But suspect NFL skills IMO.  Hope I’m wrong. 

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8 hours ago, Philo312 said:

Hope so; but don’t get your hopes up.  ND fan here and watched him 3 yrs.  Not too impressed. He should have stayed another year to learn overall game. 
Small frame, small hands, and happy feet like no other-so frustrating!!.   His pass pro sucks!   BUT  he can catch the ball and scamper but trips on his own feet!!.  I think he only runs a mid 4.5 though.  Great character kid and brings good energy.   But suspect NFL skills IMO.  Hope I’m wrong. 

I'm not the biggest fan either. I grabbed him and put him on i.r. as soon as this Akers mess started. My hope would be a really good couple of outings, then flip him to the Henderson owner (dynasty league)

 

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Don't piss in my cheerios I'm predicting mini version of  a combination of deebo,c patterson & cmc in one ...the same way they were using higbee ...spreading the ball around more opening the field for kupp ...with that said I know it's wishful thinking but possible..,but they also tried to get cmc so maybe not much faith we will see 

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17 hours ago, Philo312 said:

Hope so; but don’t get your hopes up.  ND fan here and watched him 3 yrs.  Not too impressed. He should have stayed another year to learn overall game. 
Small frame, small hands, and happy feet like no other-so frustrating!!.   His pass pro sucks!   BUT  he can catch the ball and scamper but trips on his own feet!!.  I think he only runs a mid 4.5 though.  Great character kid and brings good energy.   But suspect NFL skills IMO.  Hope I’m wrong. 

Watched him here in St. Louis since junior high because our friends are really good friends with his mom. He was an absolute beast in high school and the single reason Vianney was as good as they were. But HS is another game altogether. He is very quick with good hands but I also saw lots of breakdowns in protection while at ND. Almost like he didn't really care about that side of the game, which will get you cut in the NFL. He has the chance to be a poor man's Marshall Faulk if he can fix the holes in his game. Wouldn't hurt to beef up some more too.

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He "Should" be back by Training Camp, uhhh ohh. Fire up your Corum shares. 

Rams RB Kyren Williams to miss OTAs with 'foot issue'

 

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K Williams ADP has been going higher before this news.  

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1 hour ago, weepaws said:

K Williams ADP has been going higher before this news.  

this injury should throw a bit of water on that fire.   at least until he is healthy again.    Granted hes expected back before the season starts, so I dont know that it will affect his value a lot.

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Yea his ADP when I first starting doing mock drafts was in the mid first rd, now he’s going late first rd , early second,  this news should send his ADP even higher, but that would also make his value better.  

FF is very fickle.  Lol. 

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11 minutes ago, weepaws said:

now he’s going late first rd , early second,

honestly, this is probably where he should have been going all along.

if he slides to mid 2nd or late 2nd it wouldnt surprise me a whole lot given the injury but I would not expect him to slide into round 3 very often.   dude is too good and a lot of people will be willing to draft him late round 2 even knowing he misses one or two games to start the season. (which is currently not projected to happen btw)

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No I don’t see him sliding into the 3rd, but mid to late second in a ppr league would be a nice value 

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4 hours ago, Ray_T said:

this injury should throw a bit of water on that fire.   at least until he is healthy again.    Granted hes expected back before the season starts, so I dont know that it will affect his value a lot.

Right, nobody is gonna care that he missed a few weeks in May or June as long as he's healthy in August...

Players often get knicked up early in the summer.

If he's still on the injured list around August 20th or so, then it's room for concern

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16 minutes ago, polecatt said:

Right, nobody is gonna care that he missed a few weeks in May or June as long as he's healthy in August...

Players often get knicked up early in the summer.

If he's still on the injured list around August 20th or so, then it's room for concern

there is always concern when a player misses camp but I dont think the team is changing the offense all that much and he knows the playbook.

the only way I'd be real concerned is if he comes back and doesnt look great leading into the regular season.  at that point I'd be concerned the missed practices may lead to a slow start.  but its way too early to predict something like that.    its just something to watch for as the start of the season gets close.

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9 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

there is always concern when a player misses camp but I dont think the team is changing the offense all that much and he knows the playbook.

the only way I'd be real concerned is if he comes back and doesnt look great leading into the regular season.  at that point I'd be concerned the missed practices may lead to a slow start.  but its way too early to predict something like that.    its just something to watch for as the start of the season gets close.

Yeah, there's a little concern right now, but say he's out for 3 weeks, or even a month, until late June. If he comes back then and is okay, nobody is really gonna care.

It's not like he's a rookie or a new free agent who doesn't know the offense. As long as he healthy come fantasy draft time, he'll be okay.

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Maybe, ff owners get nervous. 

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16 hours ago, weepaws said:

Maybe, ff owners get nervous. 

there will always be one or two highly risk averse people out there but as a percentage the # of people who care about this will be low.   

Personally I dont even know that I'd re rank him at this point.

biggest threat is hes not fully in game shape when he returns.    and that sort of thing fixes itself in a week or two

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The nervous ones will be the early drafters.  

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Listening to the fantasy sports channel a bit lately, and a few shows have said that Corum is the guy to get.  They seem to think that Williams doesn't have the body/build to be an every down lead back and point to his multiple injuries in such a short time frame, as evidence of that.  They believe Corum has that body/build and is a more talented player... to which they think he could beat him out for the starting job.  Or, if the Rams feel that they don't want to make that depth chart switch, Williams get hurt, Corum would play too well in Williams' absence, to reduce his playing time when Williams gets healthy.

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2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Listening to the fantasy sports channel a bit lately, and a few shows have said that Corum is the guy to get.  They seem to think that Williams doesn't have the body/build to be an every down lead back and point to his multiple injuries in such a short time frame, as evidence of that.  They believe Corum has that body/build and is a more talented player... to which they think he could beat him out for the starting job.  Or, if the Rams feel that they don't want to make that depth chart switch, Williams get hurt, Corum would play too well in Williams' absence, to reduce his playing time when Williams gets healthy.

maybe.   but they will run williams until there is nothing left in the tank.   hes not a big guy, so durability could be an issue for him moving forward.   once he gets hurt, then Corum will get a chance to show what he can do.

for now its Willams job but the situation is worth watching.

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I think Williams is just borrowing the job, once Corum is up to speed, he will take a large portion of Williams work load, and reducing is ff production.  Corum is the better value based on the ADP of both players.  

Been saying that the day the Rams drafted Corum.  He’s a late rd steal at this time, will change has he gains more momentum as the Rams rb1. 

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Everyone is an injury risk in the NFL.  The biggest risk of owning Williams, is Corum.  

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30 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Everyone is an injury risk in the NFL.  The biggest risk of owning Williams, is Corum.  

Everyone doesn’t have the same injury risk!  Brett Favre was not an injury risk, etc, etc,

Jun 1, 2022 NFL Pedal Foot Fracture  Williams suffered a broken foot in practice.
Sep 8, 2022 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Williams' injury surfaced in his NFL debut.
Oct 15, 2023 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Williams was placed on IR prior to Week 7. He returned in Week 12.
Jan 14, 2024 NFL Hand Metacarpal Fracture  Williams suffered the left hand injury in the NFC Wild Card Round. Surgery followed.
Oct 1, 2023 NFL Inguinal Hip Strain  Williams picked up a hip contusion in Week 4 vs. the C

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49 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Everyone doesn’t have the same injury risk!  Brett Favre was not an injury risk, etc, etc,

Jun 1, 2022 NFL Pedal Foot Fracture  Williams suffered a broken foot in practice.
Sep 8, 2022 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Williams' injury surfaced in his NFL debut.
Oct 15, 2023 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Williams was placed on IR prior to Week 7. He returned in Week 12.
Jan 14, 2024 NFL Hand Metacarpal Fracture  Williams suffered the left hand injury in the NFC Wild Card Round. Surgery followed.
Oct 1, 2023 NFL Inguinal Hip Strain  Williams picked up a hip contusion in Week 4 vs. the C

 

1 hour ago, weepaws said:

Everyone is an injury risk in the NFL.  The biggest risk of owning Williams, is Corum.  

Everyone is a risk for injury playing nfl football.  No exceptions. 

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3 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

Everyone doesn’t have the same injury risk!  Brett Favre was not an injury risk, etc, etc,

Jun 1, 2022 NFL Pedal Foot Fracture  Williams suffered a broken foot in practice.
Sep 8, 2022 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Williams' injury surfaced in his NFL debut.
Oct 15, 2023 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Williams was placed on IR prior to Week 7. He returned in Week 12.
Jan 14, 2024 NFL Hand Metacarpal Fracture  Williams suffered the left hand injury in the NFC Wild Card Round. Surgery followed.
Oct 1, 2023 NFL Inguinal Hip Strain  Williams picked up a hip contusion in Week 4 vs. the C

agreed.  everyone does not share the same risk.  some players have more risk for sure.

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Kyren is going 1st - 2nd round. I don't see it. Sorry but you're a fool is you put 1st or 2nd round stock into Kyren this season. Corum isn't there to hold his jock. 

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His ADP is dropping every time I mock.  Lots of wise ff owners out there. 

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1 minute ago, weepaws said:

His ADP is dropping every time I mock.  Lots of wise ff owners out there. 

Eliminate the risk and take a WR there. 

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1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Kyren is going 1st - 2nd round. I don't see it. Sorry but you're a fool is you put 1st or 2nd round stock into Kyren this season. Corum isn't there to hold his jock. 

lots of people are buying based on what he did last year.    and fair enough.

early in the year I expect this may continue, but as the year goes on the kid will get more playing time.  If Williams gets hurt, it could be a game changer.

if he stays healthy and plays well, the team will ride the hot hand (and why wouldnt they)

I personally wouldnt spend a first rounder on him, but I would spend a mid to late second rounder

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Corum will bit into his work load week one.  K Williams ADP needs to drop a lot for me to be interested, rd2 not low enough.  

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4 hours ago, weepaws said:

 

Everyone is a risk for injury playing nfl football.  No exceptions. 

I didn’t come here to argue, what is wrong with you?

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1 hour ago, Baker Boy said:

I didn’t come here to argue, what is wrong with you?

What argument do you seem to be involved in? 

 

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On 10/27/2022 at 12:46 PM, weepaws said:

Could be, but like Toney  now with KC doesn’t he need to stay healthy? 

If he can stay healthy he’ll have more upside then the Henderson. 

Worth a stash I say yes.  He should be rostered in keeper leagues already imo. 

 

On 5/25/2024 at 12:03 PM, Baker Boy said:

I have him tagged as an injury risk. This news helps confirms that.

 

On 5/25/2024 at 12:48 PM, weepaws said:

Everyone is an injury risk in the NFL.  The biggest risk of owning Williams, is Corum.  

 

On 5/25/2024 at 1:16 PM, Baker Boy said:

Everyone doesn’t have the same injury risk!  Brett Favre was not an injury risk, etc, etc,

Jun 1, 2022 NFL Pedal Foot Fracture  Williams suffered a broken foot in practice.
Sep 8, 2022 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Williams' injury surfaced in his NFL debut.
Oct 15, 2023 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Williams was placed on IR prior to Week 7. He returned in Week 12.
Jan 14, 2024 NFL Hand Metacarpal Fracture  Williams suffered the left hand injury in the NFC Wild Card Round. Surgery followed.
Oct 1, 2023 NFL Inguinal Hip Strain  Williams picked up a hip contusion in Week 4 vs. the C

 

On 5/25/2024 at 2:06 PM, weepaws said:

 

Everyone is a risk for injury playing nfl football.  No exceptions. 

 

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1 hour ago, Baker Boy said:

 

 

 

 

 

Right, so everyone is an injury risk, you make a great point, of my point. Thanks. Still don’t understand why you say your in an argument, looks more like an agreement. 

Thanks 

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How to Deal With a Kyren

Here are some tips on how to handle a Kyren.

  1. Keep calm and keep your head: Stay calm and listen to...their issues. Even if you don’t think their point of view is correct, you need to show a willingness to at least hear their side of the story.
  2. Be solution focused: Acknowledging the Kyren's feelings and offering solutions goes a long way. Offer a genuine apology and focus on how the situation can be rectified. Be polite, genuine and let them know you hear what they’re saying. (Side note: This might not be the moment to whip out your cellphone and start recording.)
  3. Stick to the facts, don’t get emotional: If you can’t come to a solution, calmly let Kyren know why. At this point, it’s important to keep your head, explain the situation factually, not subjectively, and keep emotions in check so you don’t poke the proverbial bear.
  4. Keep records and protect yourself: Keep communication open and transparent and record what’s taking place.
  5. Know your rights: It’s good to know your legal rights and what customers are entitled to. If you ever feel like you could be on the verge of a legal issue you should seek professional legal advice as soon as you’re able. There’s also plenty of resources for free online. 

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On 5/25/2024 at 7:20 PM, weepaws said:

Corum will bit into his work load week one.  K Williams ADP needs to drop a lot for me to be interested, rd2 not low enough.  

if he was a first round pick, or an early 2nd round pick I'd fully agree with you.  but he was taken 83rd overall and some scouting reports have him as a top notch backup who can develop into a starter eventually.    I dont think the team will have the pressure to play someone drafted at that point in the draft.    Not right away anyhow.   

but I do think Williams needs to keep his production up to stop the kid from digging into his workload.    the biggest issue is hes a smallish back like Kyren Williams is.   based on performance at the combine I'm guessing the skillset is similar.    so for me, hes likely a true backup.   if he stepped in to play for Kyren Williams on a run play, the offense likely doesnt need to change much (if at all).  on a pass play hes not great on pass pro (yet) and he could use some polish on his route running.   so hes not gonna displace Kyren Williams on passing downs.   They may use him on short yardage due to his propensity to break tackles.   but that is just speculation on my part.

bottom line is... the kid needs some work before hes ready to really dig into Willams usage.   

he also had some durability issues that may not translate well to the NFL.    so there are enough question marks that I'd still draft Kyren williams where I said I'd draft him.   but I do agree there is more risk here than what most people are acknowledging.   Its just my belief that the kid will take at least a half season before hes ready to start taking significant reps at the pro level. (maybe a full season).

problem is... with this kind of player its hard to say just how quickly he will progress, but I assure you there is no hurry as long as Kyren Williams is healthy.

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I think he was underrated. He’s going to challenge for short yardage / goal line work early.  He’s going to be a problem for those that own Williams and over pay for him in redraft. And some posters seem to have a little bit of buyer beware with Williams based on Injury issues, Corum will be tough to remove once he gets it going  imo  

They don’t always get their rankings right, if they did there would never be a bust or a surprise, ask TBrady. 

Thanks. 

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12 hours ago, weepaws said:

I think he was underrated. He’s going to challenge for short yardage / goal line work early.  He’s going to be a problem for those that own Williams and over pay for him in redraft. And some posters seem to have a little bit of buyer beware with Williams based on Injury issues, Corum will be tough to remove once he gets it going  imo  

They don’t always get their rankings right, if they did there would never be a bust or a surprise, ask TBrady. 

Thanks. 

no they dont always get the rankings right.

and sometimes certain skills of a player are invisible because his coach decided not to use him in certain ways.   sometimes thats because the coach had a specialist who took that role or sometimes its because the offense wasnt designed for a player with his skillset.

Leveon Bell was a good case in point.  nobody imagined that he had the kind of receiving skills that he did on the day he was drafted because his coach never used him extensively as a pass catching back.   he caught passes in college but they came nowhere close to maximizing his skillset.   This was viewed as a potential skill that could be developed for him.   as it turned out the skill was more developed than anyone anticipated.

 

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