It’s Trump’s ideas that are the embarrassment.

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15 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Everything that minorities ask for, from a new national voting rights act to a national police reform bill to more spending in the inner cities, all of it is opposed by conservatives. Add this to Trump’s racist rhetoric and the fact that so many conservatives question voting results in large minority areas it’s hard not to conclude that they are anti-minority. 

Spending in the inner cities? All those schools get is funding.  All my tax dollars here in WNY basically go down to NYC as our roads and schools remain mostly crappy.  But the people are decent, so we get by.  

Police reform? Lmao

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I doubt he cares about it. But he certainly played into the current conservative fear and obsession through some of his actions. 

So you put that in there yet have nothing.

Um, ok. 

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

So you put that in there yet have nothing.

Um, ok. 

Nothing? The list is long and easily accessible, but here if you’re truly interested: 

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/08/05/transgender-protections-trump

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5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Spending in the inner cities? All those schools get is funding.  All my tax dollars here in WNY basically go down to NYC as our roads and schools remain mostly crappy.  But the people are decent, so we get by.  

Police reform? Lmao

My point wasn’t that there’s never any spending in the inner cities: there is because Democrats protect it. Republicans consistently attempt to restrict or remove it. 
 

Not sure what’s funny about police reform. The vast majority of minorities in this country don’t find it funny. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Nothing? The list is long and easily accessible, but here if you’re truly interested: 

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/08/05/transgender-protections-trump

Do you think trans people should have to carry paperwork to ID their condition/transformation?

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

My point wasn’t that there’s never any spending in the inner cities: there is because Democrats protect it. Republicans consistently attempt to restrict or remove it. 
 

Not sure what’s funny about police reform. The vast majority of minorities in this country don’t find it funny. 

Police reform (depending to what degree) makes inner cities and crime infested places more dangerous.  Minorities who follow the law are now in more danger.  

Unless you are implying more funding for police and more training.  Then I agree.  That would never hurt and could only make police work morw efficient.   

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Police reform (depending to what degree) makes inner cities and crime infested places more dangerous.  Minorities who follow the law are now in more danger.  

Unless you are implying more funding for police and more training.  Then I agree.  That would never hurt and could only make police work morw efficient.   

I am for more funding and more training and also for many other proposals made after the George Floyd murder. The real problem is institutionalized racism. We need, as a society, to solve that. 

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5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Do you think trans people should have to carry paperwork to ID their condition/transformation?

No. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

No. 

So in the article they mention this puts trans women (you know a man) at risk if they have to go to a male shelter.  

Yet any homeless dude could just claim he is a woman and he gets to be with actual women?

So the transexual woman needs protection but the regular woman does not? Is that how this works? 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I am for more funding and more training and also for many other proposals made after the George Floyd murder. The real problem is institutionalized racism. We need, as a society, to solve that. 

So what police reform are you talking about? Throw money at them and say stop racism?

Good plan.  

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

So what police reform are you talking about? Throw money at them and say stop racism?

Good plan.  

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1280

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

So in the article they mention this puts trans women (you know a man) at risk if they have to go to a male shelter.  

Yet any homeless dude could just claim he is a woman and he gets to be with actual women?

So the transexual woman needs protection but the regular woman does not? Is that how this works? 

I want transsexuals to be treated like everyone else, with the same rights. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I want transsexuals to be treated like everyone else, with the same rights. 

So you are okay with mentally ill homeless men claiming to be a woman out of the blue and sheltering with women?

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8 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

So you are okay with mentally ill homeless men claiming to be a woman out of the blue and sheltering with women?

Of course not. But I’m not in favor of restricting all transsexuals in order to avoid this type of situation, which I strongly suspect is an excuse anyhow. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course not. But I’m not in favor of restricting all transsexuals in order to avoid this type of situation, which I strongly suspect is an excuse anyhow. 

Well I am just making sure I understand you.  In summary:

-you want transexuals to be treated like everyone else ( get to name their gender and get grouped with gender chosen)

-this may put regular women who are grouped with random homeless men claiming to be women on a whim at bigger risk. But that isn't as important as avoiding offending an actual transexual 

-you don't want all trans to suffer because of bad eggs who manipulate the system and may prey on women.  But are in no way in favor of any sort of paperwork 

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16 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I keep running into conservatives, including some in my family,, who are ready to move on from Donald Trump. They’re sick of the controversy, the January 6 debacle, his narcissism, his ego. 

But they’re not sick of his ideas. And that’s a problem. They still believe that illegal immigration can only be answered by shutting down the border. They still are opposed to free trade, internationalism, and aiding Ukraine. They still suspect Covid 19 was a government conspiracy and regard Dr. Fauci as a villain. They’re still obsessed with transsexualism, and fighting what they regard as woke ideas. The old Ronald Reagan formula of internationalism abroad and capitalism at home is dead, replaced with white nationalism that has taken over the conservative movement. 
 

So even if Trump goes away, so long as the current conservative movement maintains these horrible ideas, they’re still going to lose. Because they’re not only bad, they’re just not popular with the American public. 

 

The disdain for the Ukraine aid is baffling.  We're destroying the worlds third greatest military for pennies on the dollar while not losing American lives.  We're cycling thru our old stock of military gear while showcasing newer tech AND we're getting military info about the Russians.  This is also giving putting the kernel of truth in the Russian societies public that the "strongman philosophy" of government MIGHT not be the best thing for them.  

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19 minutes ago, zsasz said:

 

The disdain for the Ukraine aid is baffling.  We're destroying the worlds third greatest military for pennies on the dollar while not losing American lives.  We're cycling thru our old stock of military gear while showcasing newer tech AND we're getting military info about the Russians.  This is also giving putting the kernel of truth in the Russian societies public that the "strongman philosophy" of government MIGHT not be the best thing for them.  

It's baffling to you why there would be resistance to throwing money at Ukraine, instead of spending that money domestically?  Really?

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17 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I keep running into conservatives, including some in my family,, who are ready to move on from Donald Trump. They’re sick of the controversy, the January 6 debacle, his narcissism, his ego. 

But they’re not sick of his ideas. And that’s a problem. They still believe that illegal immigration can only be answered by shutting down the border. They still are opposed to free trade, internationalism, and aiding Ukraine. They still suspect Covid 19 was a government conspiracy and regard Dr. Fauci as a villain. They’re still obsessed with transsexualism, and fighting what they regard as woke ideas. The old Ronald Reagan formula of internationalism abroad and capitalism at home is dead, replaced with white nationalism that has taken over the conservative movement. 
 

So even if Trump goes away, so long as the current conservative movement maintains these horrible ideas, they’re still going to lose. Because they’re not only bad, they’re just not popular with the American public. 

1.  Trump's ideas aren't new, nor are they "his".

2.  I think you see "White Nationalists" under your bed every night.  What about the kind of nationalism we see in the modern state of Israel?  Is that allowed?

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Just now, Casual Observer said:

1.  Trump's ideas aren't new, nor are they "his".

2.  I think you see "White Nationalists" under your bed every night.  What about the kind of nationalism we see in the modern state of Israel?  Is that allowed?

Not here it isn’t. It’s bad for Israel as well, but that’s a very different topic. 
 

Trump’s ideas are new to the extent that they haven’t been allowed in the past to rise to the forefront of the conservative movement. Now they have. They’re Trump’s because he has been their foremost exponent. 

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16 hours ago, MDC said:

Some of the ideas Trump campaigned on were pretty good. For example supporting US labor, tariffs on US businesses that offshore jobs and replacing the ACA with something better. 

What he delivered was boilerplate GOP policies like corporate tax cuts and deregulation. Mitt Romney with a Twitter handle. 

I don't think saying I'll do something better really counts as idea without even the smallest kernel of how you will do that.  Might as well give him credit for saying I'll do anything better if that's the case. 

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Not here it isn’t. It’s bad for Israel as well, but that’s a very different topic. 
 

Trump’s ideas are new to the extent that they haven’t been allowed in the past to rise to the forefront of the conservative movement. Now they have. They’re Trump’s because he has been their foremost exponent. 

What idea are we talking about?  There have always been anti globalists 

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14 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Border security is not the same as shutting down the border. The first is reasonable, though we might differ on specifics. The second isn’t. 

That is my question.  How does the US make the borders secure? 

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1 hour ago, Mike Hunt said:

That is my question.  How does the US make the borders secure? 

Fix climate change. 
 

Im dead serious. Unless we resolve climate change there will be millions of refugees fleeing unstable areas. No border will be secure. 
 

Nuclear energy is the best means to combat climate change. Liberals won’t accept this. Maybe conservatives will. 

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15 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Border security is not the same as shutting down the border. The first is reasonable, though we might differ on specifics. The second isn’t. 

Conservatives don't want the border shut down to eliminate immigration...  they want it shut down to eliminate ILLEGAL immigration.  Immigrants can come here, no problem, just don't cross the border and walk in.

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Fix climate change. 
 

Im dead serious. Unless we resolve climate change there will be millions of refugees fleeing unstable areas. No border will be secure. 
 

Nuclear energy is the best means to combat climate change. Liberals won’t accept this. Maybe conservatives will. 

Maybe we can create an Earth type atmosphere on the moon too. 

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22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Fix climate change. 
 

Im dead serious. Unless we resolve climate change there will be millions of refugees fleeing unstable areas. No border will be secure. 
 

Nuclear energy is the best means to combat climate change. Liberals won’t accept this. Maybe conservatives will. 

You serious, Clark?

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Bro thinks there are 50+ genders and it's Trump's ideas that are an embarrassment 

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7 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Bro thinks there are 50+ genders and it's Trump's ideas that are an embarrassment 

He also thinks tax dollars can change the weather.

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2 hours ago, Casual Observer said:

It's baffling to you why there would be resistance to throwing money at Ukraine, instead of spending that money domestically?  Really?

Sounds like you are a checkers player.  Nothing wrong with that.  

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53 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Fix climate change. 
 

Im dead serious. Unless we resolve climate change there will be millions of refugees fleeing unstable areas. No border will be secure. 
 

Nuclear energy is the best means to combat climate change. Liberals won’t accept this. Maybe conservatives will. 

holy sh1tballs, you really think climate change is the reason "refugees" are coming here

this has to be the dumbest thing I have ever read

1) work, there is plenty of work for migrants

2) free healthcare

please show me how guatemala and mexico are effected so much by climate change that they cant stay in their sh1tholes they have lived in for centuries

 

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1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

holy sh1tballs, you really think climate change is the reason "refugees" are coming here

this has to be the dumbest thing I have ever read

1) work, there is plenty of work for migrants

2) free healthcare

please show me how guatemala and mexico are effected so much by climate change that they cant stay in their sh1tholes they have lived in for centuries

 

he is parroting Kamala's reasoning, dumb as that is.

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32 minutes ago, shadrap said:

he is parroting Kamala's reasoning, dumb as that is.

Kamala is only repeating the facts. 

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48 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

He also thinks tax dollars can change the weather.

The science people 

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55 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

He also thinks tax dollars can change the weather.

Its funny watching TB and others attempt to have a genuine conversation with him. This is the kinda person you call focking retarded and move on.

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Fix climate change. 
 

Im dead serious. Unless we resolve climate change there will be millions of refugees fleeing unstable areas. No border will be secure. 
 

Nuclear energy is the best means to combat climate change. Liberals won’t accept this. Maybe conservatives will. 

 

The US can`t come close to fixing climate change when Indias and China will not peak out for the next decade.  That is not counting many other Asian countries. So that is not the answer. I really doubt the people who are entering illegally even know anything about climate change.

[The Real timschochet 7,464]

1 minute ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

The US can`t come close to fixing climate change when Indias and China will not peak out for the next decade.  That is not counting many other Asian countries. So that is not the answer. I really doubt the people who are entering illegally even know anything about climate change.

We don’t need India or China to fix climate change. We need nuclear fusion. Requires a huge investment. 

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42 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

We don’t need India or China to fix climate change. We need nuclear fusion. Requires a huge investment. 

 

China emission's or pollution rate is 30%, India, 7%, Russia, 5%     So 42%.  Those numbers are expected to rise until the early 2030s before and if they decline.

USA is 14%, Canada, 2%, Mexico 1.5%  So around 18% total of the world emission/pollution.

Science has shown that if the USA and Canada went to almost zero combined today it would have very little impact on the globe for the next 20-30 years. 

The EVs are all good as I have one myself, but they are very little help in the big picture.

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

We don’t need India or China to fix climate change. We need nuclear fusion. Requires a huge investment. 

What's wrong with the climate? And it having been changing throughout your whole lifetime and all your ancestor's lifetimes, has that always scared you? 

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13 minutes ago, craftsman said:

What's wrong with the climate? And it having been changing throughout your whole lifetime and all your ancestor's lifetimes, has that always scared you? 

I’ve been told you’re not worth responding to, and I can tell that’s true. So I suggest you look up man made climate change for yourself. 

[The Real timschochet 7,464]

2 hours ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

China emission's or pollution rate is 30%, India, 7%, Russia, 5%     So 42%.  Those numbers are expected to rise until the early 2030s before and if they decline.

USA is 14%, Canada, 2%, Mexico 1.5%  So around 18% total of the world emission/pollution.

Science has shown that if the USA and Canada went to almost zero combined today it would have very little impact on the globe for the next 20-30 years. 

The EVs are all good as I have one myself, but they are very little help in the big picture.

We can’t fix climate change by trying to restrict the use of fossil fuels without a viable alternative that is economically profitable. Therefore we can’t fix it with solar. Nuclear fusion would be a viable alternative. China and other nations will switch over once it’s demonstrated to them that it’s profitable.