Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
The Real timschochet

DeSantis and his stupid laws

Recommended Posts

1 minute ago, craftsman said:

 

Let them learn about the various races of people in this country post high school.

You do get that an AP course is designed to give honor students credit for college, right? That it’s basically the equivalent of a college course? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Lol you guys are so all over the map on this. Just admit that you don’t want any class about black studies period. Stop making excuses and own up to it. You don’t want kids to learn about black history or culture. 

So you don’t know what’s actually in the lessons. Seems like you’re the one repeating talking points. Question, if it did cover abolishing capitalism, what would you think? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, craftsman said:

Your liberal masters know what they want to hide when it comes to supporting this garbage. Their followers don't know shlt. 

My liberal masters are laughing at your assertions. Along with us, their servants. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You do get that an AP course is designed to give honor students credit for college, right? That it’s basically the equivalent of a college course? 

Did you learn about black history in school? Were you made aware that the US has a racist past? I was. From slavery , and everything in between. I know who Crispus Attacks was right through MLK. No one was hiding anything. You act like it was skipped over and now we need to be made aware. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you don’t know what’s actually in the lessons. Seems like you’re the one repeating talking points. Question, if it did cover abolishing capitalism, what would you think? 

There are no specifics yet. Everything is very general. I think that’s a good thing because it encourages the creativity of the teacher. But Florida used this as their explanation for banning the course, which is of course a ridiculous excuse. 

To answer your question it all depends on context. Personally I would argue that capitalism has mainly been to the benefit of blacks and everyone else. It was the contest between free enterprise and slave labor which forced the Civil War, which abolished slavery. Then it was the growing economic power of blacks post WWII which led to the success of the Civil Rights Movement. But that’s my view; others may disagree. And hopefully a nuanced discussion would ensue. That’s academic freedom, the type of course I want to see taught, and the sort of thing white Florida conservatives appear to be terrified of. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You do get that an AP course is designed to give honor students credit for college, right? That it’s basically the equivalent of a college course? 

I've taken AP courses.  They shouldn't be taking trash courses for college credit at that age. My opinion. I don't even know how many bullshlt courses are offered as a freshman in college for your base studies. My memories tells me it's similar to one step up from high school core classes. Foreign language, math, science, etc. 

Let the kids grow up with the basics to start their life off before you libs start pushing your liberal views on abolishing the type of government we have in place and replacing it socialism etc...

Stop being such a pushy dlck to kids. All you focking liberals want in life is to control the kids. Let them grow up to learn the basics and then find themselves instead of you liberals trying hard to brainwash them into something they aren't. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Did you learn about black history in school? Were you made aware that the US has a racist past? I was. From slavery , and everything in between. I know who Crispus Attacks was right through MLK. No one was hiding anything. You act like it was skipped over and now we need to be made aware. 

Not at all. You and I learned about it. We weren’t taught all the details. That’s what an honors class is for, for those who are interested. Why do you have a problem with this? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

There are no specifics yet. Everything is very general. I think that’s a good thing because it encourages the creativity of the teacher. But Florida used this as their explanation for banning the course, which is of course a ridiculous excuse. 

To answer your question it all depends on context. Personally I would argue that capitalism has mainly been to the benefit of blacks and everyone else. It was the contest between free enterprise and slave labor which forced the Civil War, which abolished slavery. Then it was the growing economic power of blacks post WWII which led to the success of the Civil Rights Movement. But that’s my view; others may disagree. And hopefully a nuanced discussion would ensue. That’s academic freedom, the type of course I want to see taught, and the sort of thing white Florida conservatives appear to be terrified of. 

So, if they are calling for abolishing capitalism,  what do you think they want to replace it with? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

Race— get over it.  That’s the real thing.  Almost no one hates you just because you’re black.  Some, but not many.  So why talk about it all the time?  All this talk about racism does is entice blacks to look for rationalizations for failure outside themselves.  My son got in trouble in 7th period.  Says the teacher doesn’t like him.  Baloney.  The teacher doesn’t give a fck about you one way or the other.  She just can’t have you fcking around during class.  Same with blacks.  Mostly I’m indifferent to them, the same as I feel towards whites.  Some are OK and some suck.  The reason I feel the way I do?  Content of character.

The problem is that this CRT-esque bullish!t that is being pushed teaches minorities that race is the single most important characteristic that influences your success or lack thereof.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, craftsman said:

I've taken AP courses.  They shouldn't be taking trash courses for college credit at that age. My opinion. I don't even know how many bullshlt courses are offered as a freshman in college for your base studies. My memories tells me it's similar to one step up to high school core classes. Foreign language, math, science, etc. 

Let the kids grow up with the basics to start their life off before you libs start pushing your liberal views on abolishing the type of government we have in place and replacing it socialism etc...

Stop being such a pushy dlck to kids. All you focking liberals want in life is to control the kids. Let them grow up to learn the basics and then find themselves instead of you liberals trying hard to brainwash them into something they aren't. 

It’s a voluntary course. Who am I trying to control? I’m not forcing anyone to take it. You’re in favor of banning it. Seems to me that YOU, not I are the one trying to control things. 

  • Thanks 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

So, if they are calling for abolishing capitalism,  what do you think they want to replace it with? 

Just because you didn’t read my post, why should I pretend that I didn’t read it either? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, The Real timschochet said:

It’s a voluntary course. Who am I trying to control? I’m not forcing anyone to take it. You’re in favor of banning it. Seems to me that YOU, not I are the one trying to control things. 

All you liberals crave to do it fock with the kids and get your agendas in their heads before they are experienced adults and can think for themselves. 

That should be a crime equivalent to sexual abuse of a minor. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Not at all. You and I learned about it. We weren’t taught all the details. That’s what an honors class is for, for those who are interested. Why do you have a problem with this? 

Because it places blame on people that had nothing to do with it. And it reinforces the notion of white privilege, which doesn’t exist. The people with power have the privilege, and that’s who should be addressed. I have no power and neither do kids. Punch up. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Because it places blame on people that had nothing to do with it. And it reinforces the notion of white privilege, which doesn’t exist. The people with power have the privilege, and that’s who should be addressed. I have no power and neither do kids. Punch up. 

White privilege absolutely exists. Both you and I have benefited from it our entire lives. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, craftsman said:

All you liberals crave to do it fock with the kids and get your agendas in their heads before they are experienced adults and can think for themselves. 

That should be a crime equivalent to sexual abuse of a minor. 

You mean like taking them to church from the time they are babies? Forcing them at school to take the Pledge of Allegiance without knowing what it’s even about? GTFO of here with your nonsense. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

White privilege absolutely exists. Both you and I have benefited from it our entire lives. 

 No I have not. Speak for yourself. I’ll say it again, privilege comes in all colors. Some people have it, some people don’t. Black people are capable of benefiting from privilege just like everyone else. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
41 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Another illuminating post- black studies should be illegal! Got it, sir. 

Seriously Tim, your point might as well argue that not allowing Halocaust denial is some grave infringement on academic freedom.  Black Studies is the teaching of hate.  Modern day liberalism is disgusting and you should be smart enough to realize it.  But instead of thinking for yourself, you listen to whatever manure is spit out by our government and their controlled media and universities.   You are being lied to.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You mean like taking them to church from the time they are babies? Forcing them at school to take the Pledge of Allegiance without knowing what it’s even about? GTFO of here with your nonsense. 

Sure we can teach kids about a God and country worldview or we can teach kids a bigotry and perversion worldview.  Unfortunately what our government is becoming may not be worthy anymore.   We have created an unelected bureaucracy which is so massive and powerful that it is way beyond the Constitutional checks and balances of our elected officials.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You mean like taking them to church from the time they are babies? Forcing them at school to take the Pledge of Allegiance without knowing what it’s even about? GTFO of here with your nonsense. 

So you think those things are bad yet you want to make sure you liberals get in on the deal by your wanting to influence other people's kids. Gotcha.

Parents have every right to teach their kids their family morals and religious beliefs. Strangers like you should not have that right to teach their kids what type of government they should want and how to think about a certain race of people and how to think about religion.

The fact that you don't understand the difference between family values and what a stranger's influence should be over the underage kids of other people tells everything anyone needs to know about liberals and their big picture agenda. 

Thanks for so clearly defining the goal of liberals for all to see. You should be in prison along with your liberal cohorts given your child brainwashing agenda. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
32 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You mean like taking them to church from the time they are babies? Forcing them at school to take the Pledge of Allegiance without knowing what it’s even about? GTFO of here with your nonsense. 

Who’s not explaining what the pledge of allegiance is about? Tell us Tim, what is it about? Something racist I’m sure. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Who’s not explaining what the pledge of allegiance is about? Tell us Tim, what is it about? Something racist I’m sure. 

I think the pledge is great. And I have no problem with parents wanting to take their kids to church. I’m just pointing out how hypocritical Craftsman is being about “indoctrination.” He’s OK with the indoctrination he approves of, but if it’s something he disapproves of suddenly it’s horrible. I find that laughable. 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And anyway the point keeps needing to be made: these aren’t young kids. They are upper level high schoolers, mostly seniors, and honor students. It’s a voluntary course. The idea that they’re somehow being indoctrinated or brainwashed is really insulting to them. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

And anyway the point keeps needing to be made: these aren’t young kids. They are upper level high schoolers, mostly seniors, and honor students. It’s a voluntary course. The idea that they’re somehow being indoctrinated or brainwashed is really insulting to them. 

The privilege aspect is divisive and demeans hard work. Powerless people of all colors do not have the benefit of privilege. The real battle has been and always will be between up and down, not left and right. Poor kids of all colors fight  our wars. Always have. It’s just as hard for a poor white kid to rise up as it is for a  poor black kid. Your problem, like many liberals , is you have never worked along side of black people or worked for them. Never counted on them. Never disliked some of them. Because you never  saw them as individuals. Just victims. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

You mean like taking them to church from the time they are babies? Forcing them at school to take the Pledge of Allegiance without knowing what it’s even about? GTFO of here with your nonsense. 

Yep. That's the cherry on the top for your nonsense. Great job 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The privilege aspect is divisive and demeans hard work. Powerless people of all colors do not have the benefit of privilege. The real battle has been and always will be between up and down, not left and right. Poor kids of all colors fight  our wars. Always have. It’s just as hard for a poor white kid to rise up as it is for a  poor black kid. Your problem, like many liberals , is you have never worked along side of black people or worked for them. Never counted on them. Never disliked some of them. Because you never  saw them as individuals. Just victims. 

White privilege is not merely an economic issue. It means that when you’re driving, you won’t be stopped by police because of your skin color. It means that when you walk by women they won’t clutch their purses tighter because they might fear you will rob them. It means that when you tell people you have a college degree, they won’t be suspicious that you didn’t earn it. 
 

White privilege means that in every aspect of your life you don’t have to worry about other people identifying you first as a minority  before any other aspect of your personality. 

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

White privilege is not merely an economic issue. It means that when you’re driving, you won’t be stopped by police because of your skin color. It means that when you walk by women they won’t clutch their purses tighter because they might fear you will rob them. It means that when you tell people you have a college degree, they won’t be suspicious that you didn’t earn it. 
 

White privilege means that in every aspect of your life you don’t have to worry about other people identifying you first as a minority  before any other aspect of your personality. 

6% 52% start there and get back to me

black people are more afraid of black teen boys than anyone, just ask Jesse Jackson

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

White privilege is not merely an economic issue. It means that when you’re driving, you won’t be stopped by police because of your skin color. It means that when you walk by women they won’t clutch their purses tighter because they might fear you will rob them. It means that when you tell people you have a college degree, they won’t be suspicious that you didn’t earn it. 
 

White privilege means that in every aspect of your life you don’t have to worry about other people identifying you first as a minority  before any other aspect of your personality. 

You have such a deranged mind.  White people get stopped all the time  by policed and even abused by police.  Our government led media and university propaganda machine tells you only about it happening to blacks, so you believe it.  You blindly trust everything which comes out of government controlled media and universities.  From absurd lies about magic bullets to excuses for Covid-19 vaccines for young children to gender is all in one's mind to twisted theories on imaginary racist hierarchies.  They show you clearly what is objectionable about the curriculum being pushed by the race-baiting Marxists, and you ignore it.  Unfortunately there is a large portion of our population who depend on letting our government think for them.  Open your damn mind for once.

 

 

 

  • Like 3
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, craftsman said:

So you think those things are bad yet you want to make sure you liberals get in on the deal by your wanting to influence other people's kids. Gotcha.

Parents have every right to teach their kids their family morals and religious beliefs. Strangers like you should not have that right to teach their kids what type of government they should want and how to think about a certain race of people and how to think about religion.

The fact that you don't understand the difference between family values and what a stranger's influence should be over the underage kids of other people tells everything anyone needs to know about liberals and their big picture agenda. 

Thanks for so clearly defining the goal of liberals for all to see. You should be in prison along with your liberal cohorts given your child brainwashing agenda. 

Do parents have the right to teach their kids about how they might think drag queens are great entertainment?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

My god look at this. 

Appreciate you posting this. One of the criticisms lodged against Florida is that they provided no reasons when they banned the course. Now they have provided reasons, apparently in the last few hours. So any reasonable person would have to remove that criticism. Of course there is also the fact that Florida suggested to the media that the course was “too vague”; NOW they are complaining about the specifics of the course- this is a huge contradiction I noted earlier and it suggests that Florida banned the course first and then rushed quickly to find reasons to justify the decision. Which of course goes to their motivations. 
 

On to the specific reasons offered. Are they compelling? No doubt they will be to some here. But they’re not to me and not to anyone who values academic freedom. Let’s take the reparations issue as an example. The complaint is that no argument against reparations, in the form of literature is offered. Now I don’t believe in reparations. But it’s a political argument, and the students will be reading exactly that: an argument. They will not be reading science or math, which is presented as fact. Florida is pretending they are. Reparations is a very controversial issue and any good teacher would have a class discussion about it. And we have to assume that any AP honors teacher is going to be a good teacher. The real complaint is not that “both sides” aren’t presented; it’s that Florida doesn’t want this conversation happening in the first place. 

Some of the other complaints are even worse. Writings are objected to on the sole basis that the authors are Marxist. Using this absurd and dangerous logic, we could ban a wide number of books in school by authors that were openly or secretly Communists: including some of our best writers like Steinbeck, Hemingway, Fitzgerald, etc. This actually happened, forced by conservatives, during the McCarthy era. It’s depressing that Florida seems to want  to return to those days. 

I can’t repeat it enough: this is a travesty and an embarrassment. 

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
51 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Appreciate you posting this. One of the criticisms lodged against Florida is that they provided no reasons when they banned the course. Now they have provided reasons, apparently in the last few hours. So any reasonable person would have to remove that criticism. Of course there is also the fact that Florida suggested to the media that the course was “too vague”; NOW they are complaining about the specifics of the course- this is a huge contradiction I noted earlier and it suggests that Florida banned the course first and then rushed quickly to find reasons to justify the decision. Which of course goes to their motivations. 
 

On to the specific reasons offered. Are they compelling? No doubt they will be to some here. But they’re not to me and not to anyone who values academic freedom. Let’s take the reparations issue as an example. The complaint is that no argument against reparations, in the form of literature is offered. Now I don’t believe in reparations. But it’s a political argument, and the students will be reading exactly that: an argument. They will not be reading science or math, which is presented as fact. Florida is pretending they are. Reparations is a very controversial issue and any good teacher would have a class discussion about it. And we have to assume that any AP honors teacher is going to be a good teacher. The real complaint is not that “both sides” aren’t presented; it’s that Florida doesn’t want this conversation happening in the first place. 

Some of the other complaints are even worse. Writings are objected to on the sole basis that the authors are Marxist. Using this absurd and dangerous logic, we could ban a wide number of books in school by authors that were openly or secretly Communists: including some of our best writers like Steinbeck, Hemingway, Fitzgerald, etc. This actually happened, forced by conservatives, during the McCarthy era. It’s depressing that Florida seems to want  to return to those days. 

I can’t repeat it enough: this is a travesty and an embarrassment. 

You’re whole worldview is garbage. For 10 years I’ve had to listen to leftists  like you gaslight CRT in our public education system. You said it was only found in law schools and public education was void of these controversial topics and would never be implemented at the grade school level. Now we have a high school course subjecting these topics and you call it a travesty that a majority of people don’t want our tax dollars teaching black kids to hate whitey. CRT is destructive garbage. The 1619 project is radical theory and debunked garbage. Reparations are garbage. Ergo, you’re ideology is garbage. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, jonmx said:

Seriously Tim, your point might as well argue that not allowing Halocaust denial is some grave infringement on academic freedom.  Black Studies is the teaching of hate.  Modern day liberalism is disgusting and you should be smart enough to realize it.  But instead of thinking for yourself, you listen to whatever manure is spit out by our government and their controlled media and universities.   You are being lied to.  

Teaching black history is equivalent to denying the Holocaust? Such a statement is certain to make people take you seriously, right?….. 🤦‍♂️

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 hours ago, craftsman said:

All you liberals crave to do it fock with the kids and get your agendas in their heads before they are experienced adults and can think for themselves. 

That should be a crime equivalent to sexual abuse of a minor. 

It's pretty bad and worth getting angry over, but a step or three down. 

I don't want my kids exposed to left wing indoctrination and I'll argue about it online or in person, but sexual abuse... sexual abuse is something that ... if caught at the wrong time in the wrong situation, sexual abuse is something capable of triggering me into doing something that requires significant jail time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Appreciate you posting this. One of the criticisms lodged against Florida is that they provided no reasons when they banned the course. Now they have provided reasons, apparently in the last few hours. So any reasonable person would have to remove that criticism. Of course there is also the fact that Florida suggested to the media that the course was “too vague”; NOW they are complaining about the specifics of the course- this is a huge contradiction I noted earlier and it suggests that Florida banned the course first and then rushed quickly to find reasons to justify the decision. Which of course goes to their motivations. 
 

On to the specific reasons offered. Are they compelling? No doubt they will be to some here. But they’re not to me and not to anyone who values academic freedom. Let’s take the reparations issue as an example. The complaint is that no argument against reparations, in the form of literature is offered. Now I don’t believe in reparations. But it’s a political argument, and the students will be reading exactly that: an argument. They will not be reading science or math, which is presented as fact. Florida is pretending they are. Reparations is a very controversial issue and any good teacher would have a class discussion about it. And we have to assume that any AP honors teacher is going to be a good teacher. The real complaint is not that “both sides” aren’t presented; it’s that Florida doesn’t want this conversation happening in the first place. 

Some of the other complaints are even worse. Writings are objected to on the sole basis that the authors are Marxist. Using this absurd and dangerous logic, we could ban a wide number of books in school by authors that were openly or secretly Communists: including some of our best writers like Steinbeck, Hemingway, Fitzgerald, etc. This actually happened, forced by conservatives, during the McCarthy era. It’s depressing that Florida seems to want  to return to those days. 

I can’t repeat it enough: this is a travesty and an embarrassment. 

I agree. If I look at these reasons for blocking the course, they make no sense to me. Is it illegal to teach kids about BLM? It’s a movement that exists. There were some very historical situations they might need to learn about involving the movement. Reparations is something that’s been discussed for over a century. Now it’s off-limits to talk about? As you said, is it illegal to teach anything about Communism now? First, I see nothing in the law that even mentions Communism, and I feel like it would be pretty darn hard to cover world history without discussing it,

There is zero question that DeSantis and his people are doing this to demonize black people, especially any movement put together to draw attention to the ugly history of racial inequity and its lasting effects.

This is censorship, literally by the government. They didn’t send a takedown request to Twitter. They are using the power of the state of Florida to silence voices that conflict with the governing party’s worldview. But since many people agree with their conclusions, they don’t give a crap about the censorship. Same with banning of books about gay penguins. As long as it hurts black people or LGBTQ people, many are ok with as much censorship as the government can muster.

Put the shoe on the other foot - another state blocking an AP European history class. I guarantee that would be called censorship immediately by the same people giving the thumbs up to this. At least they should stop pretending to care about censorship when they clearly don’t.

  • Like 1
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Teaching black history is equivalent to denying the Holocaust? Such a statement is certain to make people take you seriously, right?….. 🤦‍♂️

No it’s the equivalent of teaching confederacy lost cause theory. It’s pseudohistory and doesn’t belong in public education. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Dizkneelande said:

No it’s the equivalent of teaching confederacy lost cause theory. It’s pseudohistory and doesn’t belong in public education. 

So black people don’t exist?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

×