Explaining The Left: Leftism As Secular Religion

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,498]

6 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Stephen A Smith says black church people live conservatively but vote democrat. I have observed that as well. 

The greatest con the left ever pulled - the side that fought FOR slavery, instituted Jim Crow, started the KKK and whose policies have kept minorities in poverty since the mid 20th century somehow convinced those same minorities to vote for them en masse in a monolithic block year after year, election after election.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,595]

2 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

The greatest con the left ever pulled - the side that fought FOR slavery, instituted Jim Crow, started the KKK and whose policies have kept minorities in poverty since the mid 20th century somehow convinced those same minorities to vote for them en masse in a monolithic block year after year, election after election.

MLK was a socialist. Democrats are socialist. The Irish were voting democrat for decades because of JFK.  But the left couldn’t play the racial division game there so it didn’t hold. 

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4 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

The greatest con the left ever pulled - the side that fought FOR slavery, instituted Jim Crow, started the KKK and whose policies have kept minorities in poverty since the mid 20th century somehow convinced those same minorities to vote for them en masse in a monolithic block year after year, election after election.

It is sometimes difficult to i understand how these people manage this. Once Roosevelt put the new deal I place the Democrats figured out they could hide behind fake virtuosity and still devastate lower income people.

 

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14 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It is sometimes difficult to i understand how these people manage this. Once Roosevelt put the new deal I place the Democrats figured out they could hide behind fake virtuosity and still devastate lower income people.

 

I find it amazing that liberal Jewish people love FDR. Just goes to show that liberal politics is their religion. 

[lickin_starfish 1,478]

Left vs Right is a staged battle, meant to keep us simpletons occupied.

[jonmx 1,560]

22 hours ago, jerryskids said:

 

Anyway, thoughts?   

We have lost control of our country a long time ago.  America has lost trust in government.  No one really like our two-party system, although most think one side might have more answers than the other.   Everyone agrees that it doesn't seem to matter who is elected, because they never really change much.  So what gives?  What has happened in our country?

Quite simply, our elected representatives have very little real power to control our government.  The Real power rest in our massive unelected bureaucracies.   Particularly agencies such as the CIA and FBI, which can do pretty much whatever they please and then hide behind secrecy claiming information is classified and too important to ever be released to congress.  There is a reason 60-80% of Americans believe that the CIA/FBI killed JFK, but yet nothing can be done.  60-years later and thousands of documents are still being hidden.  The CIA has been caught in hundreds of lies as documents are slowly released, but yet there are no consequences.

No matter what you think of the much-maligned Project Veritas, they have been target of illegal FBI raids to attempt to silence them.  The Twitter files shockingly have shown an intermingling of many government  agencies having meetings and in constant contact with all the social media giants to target and censor certain people and opinions.  These are not elected people doing any job which they have been empowered to do under the law.  It is a completely rogue operation contrary to our most fundamental principles.  

Too much of our government is out of control and there are zero consequences.  That is the formula for absolute corruption.  Our brilliant system of checks and balances has slowly morphed into being just a mirage.  We are not being governed by the government setup by our Constitutional republic nor are our Democratically elected officials in charge of it.  Our country is no longer what it appears.

[jonmx 1,560]

6 hours ago, lickin_starfish said:

Left vs Right is a staged battle, meant to keep us simpletons occupied.

That is the TL-DNR version of what I've just spent 500 words above on.  

[Hawkeye21 1,848]

6 minutes ago, jonmx said:

We have lost control of our country a long time ago.  America has lost trust in government.  No one really like our two-party system, although most think one side might have more answers than the other.   Everyone agrees that it doesn't seem to matter who is elected, because they never really change much.  So what gives?  What has happened in our country?

Quite simply, our elected representatives have very little real power to control our government.  The Real power rest in our massive unelected bureaucracies.   Particularly agencies such as the CIA and FBI, which can do pretty much whatever they please and then hide behind secrecy claiming information is classified and too important to ever release to congress.  There is a reason 60-80% of Americans believe that the CIA/FBI killed JFK, but yet nothing can be done.  60-years later and thousands of documents are still being hidden.  The CIA has been caught in hundreds of lies as documents are slowly released, but yet there are no consequences.

No matter what you think of the much-maligned Project Veritas, they have been target of illegal FBI raids to attempt to silence them.  The Twitter files shockingly have shown an intermingling of many government  agencies having meetings and in constant contact with all the social media giants to target and censor certain people and opinions.  These are not elected people doing any job which they have been empowered to do under the law.  It is a completely rogue operation contrary to our most fundamental principles.  

Too much of our government is out of control and there are zero consequences.  That is the formula for absolute corruption.  Our brilliant system of checks and balances has slowly morphed into being just a mirage.  We are not being governed by the government setup by our Constitutional republic nor are our Democratically elected officials in charge of it.  Our country is no longer what it appears.

Yet people will continue to vote for party only.  That needs to stop.  People are too afraid to vote outside of their party so it won't change any time soon.

[jonmx 1,560]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Yet people will continue to vote for party only.  That needs to stop.  People are too afraid to vote outside of their party so it won't change any time soon.

But there is no one who is running that has the answers or even realizes how big the problem is.  As much as I did not care for Trump, his 'drain the swamp' was close.  But Trump caved at releasing the rest of the JFK files.   IMHO, the truth of what happened on that November day in 1963 was the pivotal day in us losing this country.   That wound needs to be opened and our country needs to be reconstructed.  

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33 minutes ago, jonmx said:

We have lost control of our country a long time ago.  America has lost trust in government.  No one really like our two-party system, although most think one side might have more answers than the other.   Everyone agrees that it doesn't seem to matter who is elected, because they never really change much.  So what gives?  

Over the past 2 years I have without a doubt realized that it matters who is elected. 

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17 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Over the past 2 years I have without a doubt realized that it matters who is elected. 

Not as much as you think/hope.  Our elected officials can steer the ship maybe a degree or two at best,  but it is still the  bureaucracies that are in charge.  We get to vote for a Representative, maybe a Senator and a President each election, but there are millions of bureaucrats who are controlling trillions of dollars, and not one of our elected officials really have even the slightest clue about what all is going on.   There is so much corruption and the agencies we entrust to keep things in check are the most corrupt of all.   I really wish we still had control and our government had all the proper checks and balances in place, but it just ain't so.    Not even close.  The differences that the public gets all spun up about are just diversions while our real freedoms and wealth are being robbed.  

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21 hours ago, MDC said:

And when kids get diddled by priests those are liberal priests. 

Conservative? Liberal? My intuition says they're mostly liberal. While it seems self evident, -don't ask- I've got not a shred of evidence and it's no different than a hunch. 

I know this much: The scandals invariably involves boys as I've not heard of the problem extending to little girls. This would indicate that nearly 100% of the pedophile priest (and Boy Scout leaders) are gay. 

 

[Voltaire 4,555]

As I got caught up, I've been dishing jonmx plenty of likes in this thread. 

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23 hours ago, weepaws said:

Turn to the Lord, read the Bible and learn the truth, and stop reading crap that makes you think God isn’t in charge, God is the creator of all things.   

Thanks. 

Raised Christian.  Always a believer.  Always a strict adherent to the notion that many, many Christians don’t know the bible well and the notion that context is uber important to understanding the bible and to applying it.

Today, at 49, I find that it is extremely difficult for me to attend church.  There are an appalling number of franchised churches (not hyperbole, actually franchised) with pastors who don’t prepare sermons.  I have disdain for topical sermons and want the service to be bible based teaching, verse by verse.  This is extremely hard to find in 2022.

Also, now at 49, I find myself sliding toward basic theism and away from Christianity.  Unfortunately, I’m having trouble looking away from the biblical contradictions  between what we’re told to believe about the character of God and the actions of God.  And these start where the Bible starts— Genesis.

Throughout my life I have consistently been told that God is loving, forgiving and compassionate.  I can no longer say that reality supports that idea for me.  If I had time— and I don’t and won’t answer much if this post garners any responses— there are several nuanced examples I’d give.  But if you start with Genesis, you read that God creates in his own image, gives a guideline about the Tree that couldn’t make sense to A & E, allows a temptation into their garden, doesn’t warn them they’ll face temptation, and responds with extreme prejudice when A & E fail.

Even the ministry of Jesus, which is wonderful, can be construed as needless and predictably ineffective.  If an omniscient loving father wished to reveal himself to his creation so they we know him and know he should be loved and worshipped, I can suggest perhaps 100 or more plans likely to succeed.  The ministry of the Son is, frankly, foreseeable as ineffective and therefore predictable to exclude billions from the promise of the Kingdom.

 I find creation to be self-evident.  A loving, involved creator is almost gone from my belief system, though.

Mark 9:24 “I believe; help my unbelief!”

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1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

Conservative? Liberal? My intuition says they're mostly liberal. While it seems self evident, -don't ask- I've got not a shred of evidence and it's no different than a hunch. 

I know this much: The scandals invariably involves boys as I've not heard of the problem extending to little girls. This would indicate that nearly 100% of the pedophile priest (and Boy Scout leaders) are gay. 

 

It’s mostly the Catholic priests who prefer little boys. Other denominations and youth pastors seem to go all ways. Setting up overnight church lock-ins for the little girls is a common tactic.  

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It's my opinion that it's not Left Liberals vs. Right Conservatives .. it's Congress and POTUS vs. the rest of us as a people.

And what's worse, they have us believing it's us against each other.

And as far as the CIA & FBI controlling 98 % of what goes on - I agree.

And don't get me started on religion.  Just be a good person and do what you know is right.  (Jonah in the belly of a whale for 3 days and then comes out COME ON, it's mostly fairy tails)

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5 hours ago, kozmiq said:

It's my opinion that it's not Left Liberals vs. Right Conservatives .. it's Congress and POTUS vs. the rest of us as a people.

And what's worse, they have us believing it's us against each other.

And as far as the CIA & FBI controlling 98 % of what goes on - I agree.

And don't get me started on religion.  Just be a good person and do what you know is right.  (Jonah in the belly of a whale for 3 days and then comes out COME ON, it's mostly fairy tails)

I am pretty much with this….

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6 hours ago, kozmiq said:

It's my opinion that it's not Left Liberals vs. Right Conservatives .. it's Congress and POTUS vs. the rest of us as a people.

And what's worse, they have us believing it's us against each other.

And as far as the CIA & FBI controlling 98 % of what goes on - I agree.

And don't get me started on religion.  Just be a good person and do what you know is right.  (Jonah in the belly of a whale for 3 days and then comes out COME ON, it's mostly fairy tails)

Well, the point of this thread is that in the absence of belief in a god, a good number of people replace that need with belief in a secular topic.  And those climate / anti-racist / vegan / trans zealots will tell you unequivocally (in their mind) how they are right and you are wrong, more so than most Christians these days.

BTW you can believe in a higher power without believing Jonah literally lived in a whale, in case you were confused about that.

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15 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Well, the point of this thread is that in the absence of belief in a god, a good number of people replace that need with belief in a secular topic.  And those climate / anti-racist / vegan / trans zealots will tell you unequivocally (in their mind) how they are right and you are wrong, more so than most Christians these days.

BTW you can believe in a higher power without believing Jonah literally lived in a whale, in case you were confused about that.

Yep.  All of what you mentioned above is still a religion, complete with all of the fervor, the zealots and the moral righteousness that they fight so hard against with Christianity.

How can they not see it?  It's as obvious as night and day.

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21 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Well, the point of this thread is that in the absence of belief in a god, a good number of people replace that need with belief in a secular topic.  And those climate / anti-racist / vegan / trans zealots will tell you unequivocally (in their mind) how they are right and you are wrong, more so than most Christians these days.

BTW you can believe in a higher power without believing Jonah literally lived in a whale, in case you were confused about that.

I guess you can just pick and choose what you like in the Bible.

Try getting women to buy  1 Timothy 2:12  or  Ephesians 5:22-33

Obviously something created people and the mass universe BUT praying to a higher power to orchestrate things is something I can't buy.  BUT I don't knock anybody for their own beliefs.  EVERYONE should be able to BELIEVE whatever they wish. 

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On 1/27/2023 at 10:59 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Stephen A Smith says black church people live conservatively but vote democrat. I have observed that as well. 

They still haven't figured out that their party has been lead by the racists this whole time. Maybe one day...

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On 1/28/2023 at 2:00 AM, lickin_starfish said:

Left vs Right is a staged battle, meant to keep us simpletons occupied.

And looking through these threads it's working like a charm.  

[jonmx 1,560]

2 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

And looking through these threads it's working like a charm.  

And your most dependable sources of news such as the New York Times are just puppets/mouthpieces of the CIA-FBI.   And you still believe every bit of spin they peddle.   So don't go acting like the smartest kid in the room, because you have been stooged.

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I like how the intolerant left feels it is ok to attack conservatives in public, like at restaurants, stores etc.  They are like Hari Krishnas or LDS cult members.

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3 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

I like how the intolerant left feels it is ok to attack conservatives in public, like at restaurants, stores etc.  They are like Hari Krishnas or LDS cult members.

Please don't insult drugged out cult members.  

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2 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

And looking through these threads it's working like a charm.  

And you keep voting them in... ButtSwipe to the rescue.

 

[Dizkneelande 839]

Spot on @jerryskids

Leftism is a religion of self-loathing. It teaches white people to hate their race, blacks to hate whites, boys to hate their sex, women to hate their femininity, Americans to hate their country, and westerners to hate their history. What a contemptible, toxic thing it is.

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43 minutes ago, jonmx said:

And your most dependable sources of news such as the New York Times are just puppets/mouthpieces of the CIA-FBI.   And you still believe every bit of spin they peddle.   So don't go acting like the smartest kid in the room, because you have been stooged.

You guys are so quick with the copy and paste responses that have 0 to do with me.   Can't remember the last time I clicked on the NYT for news besides links around here.   Yes, they sponsor one of the dozens of podcasts I listen to occasionally.  

Feel free to call me out if I link to them, otherwise just stick to reading what I actually post and link instead of what you believe I think and read.  

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2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

You guys are so quick with the copy and paste responses that have 0 to do with me.   Can't remember the last time I clicked on the NYT for news besides links around here.   Yes, they sponsor one of the dozens of podcasts I listen to occasionally.  

Feel free to call me out if I link to them, otherwise just stick to reading what I actually post and link instead of what you believe I think and read.  

Which podcasts do you enjoy?

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49 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

I like how the intolerant left feels it is ok to attack conservatives in public, like at restaurants, stores etc.  They are like Hari Krishnas or LDS cult members.

When I look at cancel culture I think back to when Hollywood, by way of example, “blacklisted” people who refused to name names during the communist witch hunts back in the 50’s……it’s the same technique 

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31 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

You guys are so quick with the copy and paste responses that have 0 to do with me.   Can't remember the last time I clicked on the NYT for news besides links around here.   Yes, they sponsor one of the dozens of podcasts I listen to occasionally.  

Feel free to call me out if I link to them, otherwise just stick to reading what I actually post and link instead of what you believe I think and read.  

It does not matter which government-media source you get it from.  It is the same brainwashing.  You spew the government lies.  

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3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

It does not matter which government-media source you get it from.  It is the same brainwashing.  You spew the government lies.  

My main news stops in the morning aren't from our country/government.   But keep trying.  

Also we all probably think or sources are the only good sources.  

[Patented Phil 823]

America sucks today.  Whole world sucks actually.  It happens.  When there’s this much angst and unhappiness, nature steps in with a big war to reset things.  So hold tight.  Things will get better.

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On 1/28/2023 at 7:30 AM, Hawkeye21 said:

Yet people will continue to vote for party only.  That needs to stop.  People are too afraid to vote outside of their party so it won't change any time soon.

I've made this point as well.  But I am also a board where I was called a communist because I voted for any Democrat.   

[jonmx 1,560]

41 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

My main news stops in the morning aren't from our country/government.   But keep trying.  

Also we all probably think or sources are the only good sources.  

But yet you show very little signs of independence of free thought beyond the government narrative.