Trump vs DeSantis

[The Real timschochet 2,929]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/28/politics/desantis-trump-disloyal-covid-record/index.html
 

Look it’s no secret that I don’t want either of these guys to be President (though if given the choice I would easily take DeSantis). But I’m also a political junkie and fascinated by what may turn out to be a battle Royale for the history books. Last night Trump took several shots at DeSantis, saying he was “disloyal” and had lied about Covid. So far DeSantis has said nothing about Trump. I think Trump is trying to goad him to respond. Will it work? 

[Pimpadeaux 2,263]

I easily would take DeSantis over Trump, but I'm hoping Republicans wise up and put a more moderate candidate on the 2024 ballot. 

But even if that happened, Trump likely would run as an independent, split the ticket and hand the election to Biden or whoever.

[Pimpadeaux 2,263]

List of possible 2024 Republican candidates:

https://time.com/6250588/republicans-2024-president-not-trump/

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/28/politics/desantis-trump-disloyal-covid-record/index.html
 

Look it’s no secret that I don’t want either of these guys to be President (though if given the choice I would easily take DeSantis). But I’m also a political junkie and fascinated by what may turn out to be a battle Royale for the history books. Last night Trump took several shots at DeSantis, saying he was “disloyal” and had lied about Covid. So far DeSantis has said nothing about Trump. I think Trump is trying to goad him to respond. Will it work? 

Candidates need to look like they want the job.  

Trump wants DeSantis to not respond.  The path to the White House for Trump was about Trump being decisive, clear and first to the table with what is needed with passion..   He wants DeSantis to look too young and indecisive.  Trump wants DeSantis to appear unable to man up.  If DeSantis is too shy to defend himself vs Trump,  how can DeSantis stand up on foreign affairs to other world leaders?

If you watched the 2016 election, you'll notice he ran over 15 other candidates because they did not nearly adequately confront Trump and the issues at hand.  They sat back, went passive and hoped T would self-destruct, and instead looked like they didn't want the job.  Ted Kennedy ran in 1980 and everyone thought he was a shoo-in but he failed to act in a manner that convinced people he really wanted to be president and actually lost the nomination.

[MDC 5,890]

Trump’s big advantage is that he’s got the weirdo vote on lockdown. DeSantis splits the normals vote with everyone else.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Just now, MDC said:

Trump’s big advantage is that he’s got the weirdo vote on lockdown. DeSantis splits the normals vote with everyone else.

not weirdos.  some voters want a "champion" for their side.  those people feel the problem with the system is corruption and lies and they desire someone who will fight a good fight to get things done right.  Others feel the problem is "extremism" and will vote for a corrupt piece of crap to avoid what they feel is an extemist from winning.  each style can win. 

 

[craftsman 1,045]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trump’s big advantage is that he’s got the weirdo vote on lockdown. DeSantis splits the normals vote with everyone else.

Coming from the guy who is still writing in Sargent Shriver in current day elections. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,263]

2 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

not weirdos.  some voters want a "champion" for their side.  those people feel the problem with the system is corruption and lies and they desire someone who will fight a good fight to get things done right.  Others feel the problem is "extremism" and will vote for a corrupt piece of crap to avoid what they feel is an extemist from winning.  each style can win. 

 

I the over/under of your daily unraveling at 8:01 p.m. CST, particularly if the Chiefs are winning and your jealously drives you to another alcohol-soaked bender. 

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I the over/under of your daily unraveling at 8:01 p.m. CST, particularly if the Chiefs are winning and your jealously drives you to another alcohol-soaked bender. 

Lather, rinse, repeat.

the comedy gold is your a puss!  your a puss!  puss!

[Pimpadeaux 2,263]

5 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

the comedy gold is your a puss!  your a puss!  puss!

Maybe I was a little conservative with my over/under.

[The Real timschochet 2,929]

14 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I the over/under of your daily unraveling at 8:01 p.m. CST, particularly if the Chiefs are winning and your jealously drives you to another alcohol-soaked bender. 

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Yeah but these playoff games are especially important to Justin. With nuclear war imminent, who knows when we will have football again? This might be it. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,263]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah but these playoff games are especially important to Justin. With nuclear war imminent, who knows when we will have football again? This might be it. 

I'm already kissing my ass goodbye because any NFL matchups of this scale will go nuclear. I am certain of this.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,631]

Why are democrats so concerned ? Biden got 81 million votes last time and the country is doing great.  He’s a shoe  in. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3833724-republicans-see-education-as-winning-issue-in-2024/

Republicans see education as winning issue in 2024

BY JULIA MANCHESTER - 01/29/23 12:00 PM ET

Prospective GOP candidates for president are leaning heavily into education amid concerns over issues like parental rights and the politicization of school curriculums.

Underscoring how critical an issue it is for Republicans, former President Trump unveiled his education platform on Thursday, calling for cutting federal funds to any education program that involves “critical race theory, gender ideology, or other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content onto our children.”

The move comes after Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) and Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin (R), both seen as top potential challengers to Trump for the Republican presidential nomination, have made headlines in recent weeks with a series of education-related actions.

DeSantis sparked controversy most recently by rejecting an Advance Placement African American studies course earlier this month, while Youngkin launched an investigation into multiple northern Virginia schools for not giving students the news that they had qualified for National Merit Scholarships in a timely fashion.

Their actions come as potential GOP candidates search for winning issues after a disappointing midterm election. They also suggest that Republicans will take a page out of Youngkin’s playbook, after he made school issues a winning platform in Virginia’s gubernatorial race in 2021.

“You can look at the way Glenn Youngkin became governor of Virginia,” said Republican strategist Alex Stroman. “I would say it was largely because of out-of-control school districts and kind of the climate that was born out of what was happening with COVID and some of the responses and parents starting to pay attention to education because they were forced to.” 

Youngkin’s gubernatorial campaign had nine different education models to target nine different types of education voters. 

“It was a very sophisticated, deliberate goal to make education the forefront,” said Kristin Davison, a political adviser to Youngkin. “We made a decision very early on in 2021 that we were going to go on offense on education because Republicans always played defense, and it wasn’t an easy decision and all of these people said we were crazy, but it ended up working out.” 

Youngkin notably zeroed in on his opponent, former Democratic Gov. Terry McAuliffe, for saying that he did not believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach. 

The Virginia governor’s supporters credit him for writing the GOP playbook on education after the party had struggled for years to go on offense on the issue. 

“Gov. Youngkin put education on the map for Republicans,” said one GOP strategist. “He was the first Republican candidate to have education be a central part of his campaign platform and win.” 

“All 2024 potential candidates saw what Glenn did in 2021,” the strategist said. 

Education has also catapulted DeSantis, who is viewed as a potential replacement for Trump, into the spotlight. 

Like Youngkin, DeSantis used his coronavirus response as a way to mold his own policy on education in the Sunshine State. 

“If you look at Ron DeSantis’s meteoric rise among Republican base voters, it’d be the same thing,” Stroman said. “It was COVID policies, but really with a focus on school districts.” 

But DeSantis’s policies related to education have also sparked controversy, drawing condemnation from his critics. 

Last year, the Florida governor signed the Parental Rights in Education Act, which prohibiting instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity in kindergarten through third grade and limited it to “age appropriate” material for grades above third.

More recently, DeSantis made headlines for his defense of his administration’s decision to reject the AP African American studies course, arguing it has “a political agenda and leaves large, ambiguous gaps that can be filled with additional ideological material.”

Many strategists say the backlash will only play into DeSantis’s hands. 

“This is starting to take the form of the media Democratic pile-on that occurred during the alleged ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill,” said Ford O’Connell, a Florida-based Republican strategist. 

“When KJP stands up there and pretends that he’s George Wallace at a school door, the Democrats are jumping the shark,” he added, referring to White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre. “When the dust settles, whether it’s this or Disney or the parental rights bill, he knows that he’s most likely going to prove victorious.” 

The actions also throw red meat to the Republican base.

“It’s flashy newsmaking that appeals here because he knows that that is going to make news in conservative media, whether that’s Fox or Newsmax,” said another GOP strategist. 

While education-related issues will likely play well with the party’s tried-and-true primary voters, it remains to be seen which candidate will be able to successfully message on the issue on the national stage. 

Insiders point out that candidates like DeSantis and Youngkin differ stylistically on the issue, not only because of their different personalities, but because of their states’ unique political landscapes. 

DeSantis has catered toward an increasingly red electorate in the Sunshine State, while Youngkin has had to walk a fine line in Virginia, which is a purple state with an arguably blue lean. 

“I think that right now we’re up against such fierce forces that really will destroy, so you kind of got to answer back just as forcefully as they do. But Glenn Youngkin’s strategy has been really working in Virginia,” said Terry Schilling, president of the conservative American Principles Project. 

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“I prefer DeSantis,” noted Schilling. “I think that his very direct style is what’s needed right now in politics, but there is something to say about Glenn Youngkin’s style as well. He’s in a blue state and he’s governing pretty successfully.”

Strategists say that for the governors that decide to jump into the presidential fray, their records on the issue will be put to the test on education in the primary. 

“That’s going to be a key point to see which people just put out a tweet, put out a press release, and give it lip service and which people show up with action to fight the fight,” Davison said

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,515]

15 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I easily would take DeSantis over Trump, but I'm hoping Republicans wise up and put a more moderate candidate on the 2024 ballot. 

But even if that happened, Trump likely would run as an independent, split the ticket and hand the election to Biden or whoever.

DeSantis gets my vote at the moment, but I'm also on board with Haley and Noem too.  

Cruz, Pompeo, Trump and Pence are all non-starters for me.  The rest I really don't know that much about.

[NEWPOSTERGUY! 266]

Give it to Trump in '24, then we get Desantis in '28, '32 

PUT IT ON LOCK  

[Dizkneelande 839]

Right now Trump. He has nothing to lose and can’t run again. He goes scorched earth, the leftist democrat/legacy media symbiote implodes and, the working/middle class become prosperous again. 

[peenie 1,690]

I just don’t want white folks walking up to minorities, again, screaming that they need to go back to their country and acting like racist as holes. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,515]

6 minutes ago, peenie said:

I just don’t want white folks walking up to minorities, again, screaming that they need to go back to their country and acting like racist as holes. 

No one is doing this.  

[craftsman 1,045]

27 minutes ago, peenie said:

I just don’t want white folks walking up to minorities, again, screaming that they need to go back to their country and acting like racist as holes. 

Again?

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,116]

I'd prefer DeSantis because Trump is an azzhat, but I'd lose to see Trump win, just to want the heads on the leftists explode.  In fact, I hope that Trump would be even more obnoxious this time around, to the point where the far leftists leave the country.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,515]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I'd prefer DeSantis because Trump is an azzhat, but I'd lose to see Trump win, just to want the heads on the leftists explode.  In fact, I hope that Trump would be even more obnoxious this time around, to the point where the far leftists leave the country.

We can only hope! 

Maybe if Trump wins he'll offer the government paying for one way tickets to the favorite Socialist countries of their choice with the promise NEVER to return.

I'm thinking North Korea, Venezuala, Cuba and China should be popular spots!

[MDC 5,890]

Trump should be a lock. According to his supporters Don was the best POTUS in history and won the 2020 election by millions of votes. Why wouldn’t you sign up for more of that?? 

[TBayXXXVII 2,116]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

We can only hope! 

Maybe if Trump wins he'll offer the government paying for one way tickets to the favorite Socialist countries of their choice with the promise NEVER to return.

I'm thinking North Korea, Venezuala, Cuba and China should be popular spots!

With the connections that our politicians have with China and North Korea, you'd think they'd welcomed with open arms.

[lod001 1,237]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trump should be a lock. According to his supporters Don was the best POTUS in history and won the 2020 election by millions of votes. Why wouldn’t you sign up for more of that?? 

Because this country has a majority of retards, that we see, voted for biden. The results are plain as day. From doing great to total sh1t with inflation not seen in decades.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I'd prefer DeSantis because Trump is an azzhat

no hes not.  the liberals are bullies.   and you know you bullies are.  they attack nonstop but as soon as one of the targets strike back, the liberals turn into pussiess and claim their target is being mean.  the whole point of that is get you to cower in fear of the bully. 

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

just to want the heads on the leftists explode

I don't think things will ever improve as long as people keep having a mindset like this.  People are no longer voting for the right candidates, they're voting to spite the other side.

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

14 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

no hes not.  the liberals are bullies.   and you know you bullies are.  they attack nonstop but as soon as one of the targets strike back, the liberals turn into pussiess and claim their target is being mean.  the whole point of that is get you to cower in fear of the bully. 

At least TBay can admit the truth about Trump.  I have no idea how you can't see it.

[The Real timschochet 2,929]

So far DeSantis has not responded at all to Trump. I have to hand to him- much as I dislike his politics he is a smooth politician, and he’s showing great discipline here not allowing himself to be goaded. 
The problem for DeSantis, it seems to me, is timing. He needs to get in before Trump consolidates support, but he also doesn’t want to declare too early. So his timing is important. 

[crackattack 513]

I'd prefer DeSantis over Trump by a lot. I'm sick of Trump's shitt. I'm hoping the Republican Party will move on from Trump. I guess we'll see.

[iam90sbaby 2,125]

DeSantis should just stay in Florida because the rest of you don't even matter

[crackattack 513]

DeSantis/Haley ticket would be unstoppable. I like Sununu too. No way he'd run though.

[The Real timschochet 2,929]

There is also a lot of talk this weekend about Nikki Haley getting into the race.

 
Haley has the gravitas, and is sort of similar to Pence in that she would be more of an “establishment” candidate- except she has avoided Pence’s problem of being opposed to Trump. Pence is dead in the water IMO because MAGA supporters will NEVER support him. 
 

But Haley also has a problem in that she is not quite MAGA enough. She is in line with Republican establishment positions- supporting Ukraine for example, and welcoming some kind of immigration reform. If she gets caught in a one on one battle with either Trump or DeSantis I don’t think she can survive that. But if Trump and DeSantis split the base between them, then perhaps Haley would have a shot to come in and be the consensus candidate. And she’s got one thing going for her that IMO Trump and DeSantis do not: she will win the general election against Biden, Kamala or whoever. 

[MDC 5,890]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

There is also a lot of talk this weekend about Nikki Haley getting into the race.

 
Haley has the gravitas, and is sort of similar to Pence in that she would be more of an “establishment” candidate- except she has avoided Pence’s problem of being opposed to Trump. Pence is dead in the water IMO because MAGA supporters will NEVER support him. 
 

But Haley also has a problem in that she is not quite MAGA enough. She is in line with Republican establishment positions- supporting Ukraine for example, and welcoming some kind of immigration reform. If she gets caught in a one on one battle with either Trump or DeSantis I don’t think she can survive that. But if Trump and DeSantis split the base between them, then perhaps Haley would have a shot to come in and be the consensus candidate. And she’s got one thing going for her that IMO Trump and DeSantis do not: she will win the general election against Biden, Kamala or whoever. 

Haley is running for VP. She has no shot to actually win the nomination.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,515]

10 minutes ago, crackattack said:

I'd prefer DeSantis over Trump by a lot. I'm sick of Trump's shitt. I'm hoping the Republican Party will move on from Trump. I guess we'll see.

This is where I'm at. 

Trump is damaged goods.  Time to move on.  Plus, he's like 453 years old, which is about 5 years younger than Biden but we're b#tching about his age all the time.  Why would we vote him in?  Let's get someone younger this time.  All these really old f#ckers running for POTUS is embarrassing.

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1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

This is where I'm at. 

Trump is damaged goods.  Time to move on.  Plus, he's like 453 years old, which is about 5 years younger than Biden but we're b#tching about his age all the time.  Why would we vote him in?  Let's get someone younger this time.

Exactly. Trump would be 78 y/o if elected. Too old like Biden.

[The Real timschochet 2,929]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Haley is running for VP. She has no shot to actually win the nomination.

I suspect you might be right but I hope you’re wrong. 
Haley IMO would represent something new for Republicans. A young woman of immigrant stock, competent, with centrist leanings. I would strongly consider voting for her. 

[crackattack 513]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I suspect you might be right but I hope you’re wrong. 
Haley IMO would represent something new for Republicans. A young woman of immigrant stock, competent, with centrist leanings. I would strongly consider voting for her. 

She would be my first choice, but she has no legitimate shot at winning. Which is kind of sad.

[kozmiq 70]

Biden won because he's a nice guy and many of his votes were ABT !

I don't think many left leaners would be too unhappy if ABT won on the Repub side ESPECIALLY if they control the House and Senate which very well may happen.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,515]

Just now, kozmiq said:

Biden won because he's a nice guy and many of his votes were ABT !

I don't think many left leaners would be too unhappy if ABT won on the Repub side ESPECIALLY if the control the House and Senate which very well may happen.

WTF does ABT mean?  We're not all teenage girls like you!  Help an adult out.