listen2me 23 1,538 Posted January 31, 2023 A 1st and a 2nd. Wow the Broncos are clueless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 2,513 Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, listen2me 23 said: A 1st and a 2nd. Wow the Broncos are clueless. how so? Can you explain it to me like I don't know anything? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,160 Posted January 31, 2023 Between Russel Wilson anfd now this that's pretty much it for draft choices. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 2,921 Posted January 31, 2023 This seems like a bad move. John Elway was a fine QB, maybe not so much a GM… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,538 Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said: how so? Can you explain it to me like I don't know anything? They gave up: 3 1sts. 3 2nds. A 5th. Lock, Shelby, Font For Over the hill Russ. A coach. And a 3rd and 4th rounder. Insanity. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,160 Posted January 31, 2023 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: This seems like a bad move. John Elway was a fine QB, maybe not so much a GM… Elways is not the GM. I believe for two years now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 2,921 Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, Engorgeous George said: Elways is not the GM. I believe for two years now. Really? My bad. Haven’t followed the team for a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,593 Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, The Real timschochet said: This seems like a bad move. John Elway was a fine QB, maybe not so much a GM… John elway has not been the GM for a few years, however Condoleezza Rice was supposedly a voice in the coaching search. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 2,513 Posted January 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: They gave up: 3 1sts. 3 2nds. A 5th. Lock, Shelby, Font For Over the hill Russ. A coach. And a 3rd and 4th rounder. Insanity. Ah...of course. Thanks for the explanation! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,538 Posted January 31, 2023 Ill try to find it. But the other day I saw a side by side comparison of McCarthy's resume and Payton's resume. They were virtually identical. Mikes may have been better by itself on paper. Not trying to say Payton doesn't know offense or isn't a good coach. But it puts it in perspective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,331 Posted January 31, 2023 Hopefully they sign him for at least 5 years cause they won't be relevant till about then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 2,921 Posted January 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: They gave up: 3 1sts. 3 2nds. A 5th. Lock, Shelby, Font For Over the hill Russ. A coach. And a 3rd and 4th rounder. Insanity. That is 90s Minnesota Vikings kind of stupid. Might even be worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,538 Posted January 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: That is 90s Minnesota Vikings kind of stupid. Might even be worse. Its worse because today teams understand value more. If you are going to make a blockbuster trade then do it for a blockbuster player. I will give them the benefit of not realizing Wilson was so shot. But eirher way they had to of known he was at least on the declinein some fashion. Maybe last season was a fluke and Russ proves everyone wrong. But even if it was....what is he? The 8th best QB in the AFC? At worst if last year wasn't a fluke, a bottom end starter in the whole NFL? Reports are they were still trying to get Ryans to take it over Houston. Ryans didn't change his mind so they just said what the hell and traded picks for Payton. So a boat load for a declining QB. And a boat load for your 2nd choice at HC. Now thats value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,108 Posted January 31, 2023 Broncos doubling down on stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,556 Posted January 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: That is 90s Minnesota Vikings kind of stupid. Might even be worse. Decoupled from Wilson, the Peyton part alone is a 2023 1st and a 2024 2nd for Peyton and a 2024 3rd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,538 Posted January 31, 2023 The only way to make this more humiliating is if Hackett whips the Jets offense into something decent and they comfortably make a wildcard spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 2,921 Posted January 31, 2023 13 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Its worse because today teams understand value more. If you are going to make a blockbuster trade then do it for a blockbuster player. I will give them the benefit of not realizing Wilson was so shot. But eirher way they had to of known he was at least on the declinein some fashion. Maybe last season was a fluke and Russ proves everyone wrong. But even if it was....what is he? The 8th best QB in the AFC? At worst if last year wasn't a fluke, a bottom end starter in the whole NFL? Reports are they were still trying to get Ryans to take it over Houston. Ryans didn't change his mind so they just said what the hell and traded picks for Payton. So a boat load for a declining QB. And a boat load for your 2nd choice at HC. Now thats value. Take it from a long suffering Los Angeles Angels fan: Russell Wilson is Albert Pujols. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,737 Posted February 1, 2023 Wow. He must see something the entire NFL is missing about Russ. D Ryans turned the job down for the Texans for chist sake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,171 Posted February 1, 2023 a few quick points here 1. Hackett may or may not help the Jets offense but if he does, I don't think it will say anything about Denver. Some guys are cut out to be coordinators and simply not HCs. Dan Quinn, Todd Bowles, Josh McDaniels, Dom Capers, etc etc. 2. Not saying he will with Russ, but Payton seemed to scheme/squeeze a lot out of Drew Brees and the New Orleans offense, once he was past his prime. 3. Ryans did the smart thing. Played for Houston and there will be lower expectations / longer leash there... imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted February 1, 2023 Even Jerry wasn't dumb enuff to give all that up................which is why SP was never coming here anyway (least until 2024). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad GLuckman 518 Posted February 1, 2023 48 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: a few quick points here 1. Hackett may or may not help the Jets offense but if he does, I don't think it will say anything about Denver. Some guys are cut out to be coordinators and simply not HCs. Dan Quinn, Todd Bowles, Josh McDaniels, Dom Capers, etc etc. 2. Not saying he will with Russ, but Payton seemed to scheme/squeeze a lot out of Drew Brees and the New Orleans offense, once he was past his prime. 3. Ryans did the smart thing. Played for Houston and there will be lower expectations / longer leash there... imo. Denver has to be the worst coaching spot in the league unless Russ isn't really as bad as he looked last year. A team with no draft picks and a garbage salary cap anchor at QB for the next couple years is a bad situation. Maybe Payton thinks he can improve the offense slightly and that will be enough with a good D. But with no draft picks, the long term outlook is rough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flipper 57 Posted February 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Brad GLuckman said: Maybe Payton thinks he can improve the offense slightly and that will be enough with a good D. But with no draft picks, the long term outlook is rough. I agree with this ... He 'thinks' he can but I can't help but think how much better Seattle looked without Russ and that he may be one of those 'I call my own plays' players. Wilson is always that QB that everyone thought escaped every play but youth is for the young. It may be Javonte or bust ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,171 Posted February 1, 2023 41 minutes ago, Brad GLuckman said: Denver has to be the worst coaching spot in the league unless Russ isn't really as bad as he looked last year. A team with no draft picks and a garbage salary cap anchor at QB for the next couple years is a bad situation. Maybe Payton thinks he can improve the offense slightly and that will be enough with a good D. But with no draft picks, the long term outlook is rough. I’m no Denver fan, but a few things to remember - Denver lost Javonte Williams early last year which certainly didn’t help the offense. - Denver can cut Ronald Darby, Chase Edmonds and an offensive lineman whose name is escaping me at the moment and save 26-27 million in cap space. - Always the potential to restructure with Russ. - while I agree, not having all those picks sucks, the Saints were able to draft some pretty good players later in drafts during the Sean Payton era (how much of that was Payton, idk)… Colston, Carl Nicks, Jahri Evans, Jimmy Graham, Alvin Kamara, Terron Armstead, cj gardner Johnson, Thomas Morestead… all round 3 picks or later. They also drafted Akiem Hicks though he is more known as a Bear and the oft injured but talented Kenny Stills. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
