Super secret Chinese surveillance aircraft over Montana

[League Champion 1,593]

Just now, dogcows said:

Pointing out that hypocrisy from the President who a made “tough on China” a big part of his campaign is definitely within the scope of this discussion.

That has NOTHING to do with now, today. What does it matter what Trump did or didn't do? Wrong is wrong and right is right. Biden looks like a weak fool again. 

When does it end with this President? He's just a useless old tool bag. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,636]

This was a dereliction of duty on the Presidents behalf. There needs to be an immediate investigation and if warranted an impeachment hearing. We have to know to what degree the President is compromised.  It’s not a matter of if anymore, but how much.  

[League Champion 1,593]

27 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This was a dereliction of duty on the Presidents

This has been his entire Presidency. The Liberals still act like this diaper wearing, walking Alzheimer's degenerate is doing a good job. What's good? 

Are you happy with the economy? Are you happy with our national security? Are you happy with anything he's done?

This administration is too worried about being WOKE and illegal immigrants to care about anything else. 

Trump was a mean tweeter but we all had money in our pockets and didn't worry about this nonsense. 

[paulinstl 295]

And if Biden had shot that thing down over land and some debris from it caused injury to somebody, you partisan right wingers would be calling for an impeachment on that too,

Even conservative news sources like Forbes and the WSJ are reporting that this same thing happened under the previous administration too. if you think this is a huge deal, then you have to criticize your  hero ,Trump as well,

[League Champion 1,593]

6 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

And if Biden had shot that thing down over land and some debris from it caused injury to somebody, you partisan right wingers would be calling for an impeachment on that too,

It was over very rural country. They could of easily dispatched it without issue. We shot a plane down during 9/11 in the same fashion. That's way more risky 

[Dizkneelande 839]

52 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Why is that deflecting? At least Biden actually did something. The last guy just covered this stuff up. And he publicly criticized Biden on this event… despite doing nothing when he was in power. Pointing out that hypocrisy from the former President who made “tough on China” a big part of his campaign is definitely within the scope of this discussion. He opened himself up to this when he went after Biden for his handling of the situation.

You’re posting fake news. They flew 3 balloons but not a single person in America saw them? 

U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper:
“I don't ever recall somebody coming into my office or reading anything that the Chinese had a surveillance balloon above the United States.”

[Hardcore troubadour 12,636]

21 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

And if Biden had shot that thing down over land and some debris from it caused injury to somebody, you partisan right wingers would be calling for an impeachment on that too,

Even conservative news sources like Forbes and the WSJ are reporting that this same thing happened under the previous administration too. if you think this is a huge deal, then you have to criticize your  hero ,Trump as well,

Forbes. Lol. You people still think Wall Street is conservative. They like low taxes and low regulation.  That’s the end of their “conservative “ platform. 

[dogcows 1,029]

40 minutes ago, League Champion said:

It was over very rural country. They could have easily dispatched it without issue. We shot a plane down during 9/11 in the same fashion. That's way more risky 

You believe we shot a plane down on 9/11? Are you a believer in some crazy conspiracy theory or do you just not know basic facts?

[League Champion 1,593]

1 minute ago, dogcows said:

You believe we shot a plane down on 9/11? Are you a believer in some crazy conspiracy theory or do you just not know basic facts?

Ummm, we did. Flight 93, Indian Lake 

It was no secret in the military community. Ask yourself one question that will answer yours. Why was the engine found several miles away from the aircraft itself? Now ya know. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,636]

Under the Trump administration, at the request of the DOJ, a unit was set up to deal with Chinese espionage.   Upon taking office Biden dismantled it. Racism. Anyway , the University of Pennsylvania wrote a letter saying the unit should be disbanded, cuz,  Racism.  The CCP had donated upwards of 50 million to UPenn. Biden had his “think” (lol) tank at UPenn and he and others like SOS Anthony Blinken had no show or little show jobs there.  He’s compromised. 

[dogcows 1,029]

20 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Ummm, we did. Flight 93, Indian Lake 

It was no secret in the military community. Ask yourself one question that will answer yours. Why was the engine found several miles away from the aircraft itself? Now ya know. 

So you believe crazy conspiracy theories. Thanks for clearing that up.

[RLLD 3,455]

So the Chinese are angry that we shot down their spy balloon? 

[Dizkneelande 839]

11 minutes ago, dogcows said:

So you believe crazy conspiracy theories. Thanks for clearing that up.

You believe Putin has a video of Trump getting pissed on by hookers

[Hardcore troubadour 12,636]

9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

So the Chinese are angry that we shot down their spy balloon? 

 Not only angry, but saying they are going to respond. Have we ever been this weak? At least since WW2? 

[Engorgeous George 1,169]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 Not only angry, but saying they are going to respond. Have we ever been this weak? At least since WW2? 

I don't know, boycotting the Moscow olympics was a pretty weak move.  Withdrawing from Afghanistan might not have been, but fleeing in disarray from Afghanistan was pretty weak. Allowing the North Koreans to keep the Pueblo has been pretty week.  Still, you are probably correct.

[RLLD 3,455]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 Not only angry, but saying they are going to respond. Have we ever been this weak? At least since WW2? 

Sadly our primary adversaries seem to not respect us very much.

And we have two more years of weak leadership….

[Baker Boy 1,485]

12 hours ago, dogcows said:

Since they did it 3 times during Trump’s term in office with no consequences, maybe they thought America was cool with it?

Link? This has already been proven false. Quit spreading lies.

[League Champion 1,593]

38 minutes ago, dogcows said:

So you believe crazy conspiracy theories. Thanks for clearing that up.

How's that conspiracy, it's well known. Eyewitnesses even reported a plane being shot down. You are one gullible SOB aren't you? That's probably how you got bamboozled into this President. The mean Tweeter effect. 

[dogcows 1,029]

7 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Link? This has already been proven false. Quit spreading lies.

The DoD itself said it.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3288543/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/

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The balloon did not pose a military or physical threat. Still its intrusion into American airspace over several days was an unacceptable violation of U.S. sovereignty. The official said Chinese balloons briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration. 

 

[paulinstl 295]

U.S. officials said Saturday that similar Chinese balloons transited the continental United States briefly at least three times during the Trump administration and once that they know about earlier in the Biden administration. But none of those incidents lasted this length of time.

 

China balloon: Many questions about suspected spy in the sky | AP News

[Baker Boy 1,485]

2 hours ago, League Champion said:

This has been his entire Presidency. The Liberals still act like this diaper wearing, walking Alzheimer's degenerate is doing a good job. What's good? 

Are you happy with the economy? Are you happy with our national security? Are you happy with anything he's done?

This administration is too worried about being WOKE and illegal immigrants to care about anything else. 

Trump was a mean tweeter but we all had money in our pockets and didn't worry about this nonsense. 

My favorite Biden moment is:

On the day, China sent the hypersonic missile around the world in a a few hours the USA what is celebrating pronoun day.

 

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“They launched a long-range missile,” General John Hyten, the outgoing vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff told CBS News. “It went around the world, dropped off a hypersonic glide vehicle that glided all the way back to China, that impacted a target in China.”
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/politics/john-hyten-china-hypersonic-weapons-test/index.html

 

[dogcows 1,029]

Just now, League Champion said:

How's that conspiracy, it's well known. Eyewitnesses even reported a plane being shot down. You are one gullible SOB aren't you? That's probably how you got bamboozled into this President. The mean Tweeter effect. 

Let me guess, Sandy Hook and Marjory Stoneman Douglas shootings were false flag operations? The moon landing was faked? JFK is still alive?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,636]

1 minute ago, dogcows said:

The DoD itself said it.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3288543/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/

 

Sounds like it’s exactly the same. Eye roll. 

[League Champion 1,593]

Just now, Baker Boy said:

2 hours ago, League Champion said:

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My favorite Biden moment is:

On the day, China sent the hypersonic missile around the world in a a few hours the USA what is celebrating pronoun day

Sounds about right for this Woke Presidency. What a waste this has been. This President has set us back, the World laughs in our face. 

He's Putin's biatch, he's XI's biatch, he's Ukraine's biatch and the World's biatch. Thank you for making America weak again. 

[paulinstl 295]

America, love it or leave it.

[Baker Boy 1,485]

9 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The DoD itself said it.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3288543/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/

 

We use balloons ourselves, but none of these balloons were flying at 30,000 - 60,000 feet and could not be seen with the naked eye. Airplane pilots didn’t even see them.  Apples and oranges. We are talking about invading American airspace. The administration changes the narrative and you believe them.
What kind of person believes everything the US government in China tells them?

[paulinstl 295]

3 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

We use balloons ourselves, but none of these balloons were flying at 30,000 - 60,000 feet and could not be seen with the naked eye. Apples and oranges. We are talking about invading American airspace. What kind of person believes everything the US government in China tells them?

So fake news but not really fake news but somewhat fake news or fake news because I want it to be fake news because well just because I say so. 

[Baker Boy 1,485]

Just now, paulinstl said:

So fake news but not really fake news but somewhat fake news or fake news because I want it to be fake news because well just because I say so. 

What did I say that is inaccurate?

[paulinstl 295]

Just now, Baker Boy said:

What did I say that is inaccurate?

Chinese spy baloons flew over our country under Trump. You claimed that as fake news. It's fact. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,636]

Such a blatant, undeniable display of incompetence, cowardness, and dereliction of duty is hard for our leftists here to comprehend all at once and in the heat of the moment.   A few years of people saying all this about Biden was Crystallized in a flash. They are grasping at straws and it’s understandable.  Let’s give them some time to process. 

[Engorgeous George 1,169]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Such a blatant, undeniable display of incompetence, cowardness, and dereliction of duty is hard for our leftists here to comprehend all at once and in the heat of the moment.   A few years of people saying all this about Biden was Crystallized in a flash. They are grasping at straws and it’s understandable.  Let’s give them some time to process. 

In fairness, Biden has been distracted by peoples lack of appreciation for just how bitchin it is that he owns a corvette.

[Baker Boy 1,485]

6 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Chinese spy baloons flew over our country under Trump. You claimed that as fake news. It's fact. 

The narrative is the invasion of US airspace, not spying on the USA. As many people said everybody spies but they don’t invade others air space. This is not that difficult to understand.
By changing the narrative you are the one spreading a fake narrative.

[paulinstl 295]

Here is the problem on this board, and a lot of other places, a lot of people see things only through highly, and most;y inaccurate partisan lenses. When one looks at this spy balloon story, the facts are:

A Chinese spy balloon flew over the U/S. and Canada

President Biden ordered the DOD to shoot it down

The DOD took measures to ensure that the balloon's intelligence gathering capabilities were taken out

The DOD determined that shooting it down over land poised a potential risk

Once it was over open water it was shot down immediately

Chinese spy balloons have flown over our country before, including three under Trump

 

To the right wingers:

Biden is a poosay, Trump would have shot it down

Impeach Biden

We are weaker now than ever

 

Take your partisan heads out of your partisan a$$es and maybe go outside for some fresh air. Our country is fine, China, Russia, Iran nor any other country is going to do anything to us.

[Pimpadeaux 2,263]

3 hours ago, dogcows said:

Why is that deflecting? At least Biden actually did something. The last guy just covered this stuff up. And he publicly criticized Biden on this event… despite doing nothing when he was in power. Pointing out that hypocrisy from the former President who made “tough on China” a big part of his campaign is definitely within the scope of this discussion. He opened himself up to this when he went after Biden for his handling of the situation.

Happening three times under Trump without telling the public is WAY WORSE.

[Pimpadeaux 2,263]

2 hours ago, paulinstl said:

And if Biden had shot that thing down over land and some debris from it caused injury to somebody, you partisan right wingers would be calling for an impeachment on that too,

Even conservative news sources like Forbes and the WSJ are reporting that this same thing happened under the previous administration too. if you think this is a huge deal, then you have to criticize your  hero ,Trump as well,

They'll deflect that by calling that a liberal deflection.

Pot meet kettle.

[Engorgeous George 1,169]

Decisive action would have been action over the Pacific.  Action in the Atlantic was not decisive.   

[Baker Boy 1,485]

6 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Here is the problem on this board, and a lot of other places, a lot of people see things only through highly, and most;y inaccurate partisan lenses. When one looks at this spy balloon story, the facts are:

A Chinese spy balloon flew over the U/S. and Canada

President Biden ordered the DOD to shoot it down

The DOD took measures to ensure that the balloon's intelligence gathering capabilities were taken out

The DOD determined that shooting it down over land poised a potential risk

Once it was over open water it was shot down immediately

Chinese spy balloons have flown over our country before, including three under Trump

 

To the right wingers:

Biden is a poosay, Trump would have shot it down

Impeach Biden

We are weaker now than ever

 

Take your partisan heads out of your partisan a$$es and maybe go outside for some fresh air. Our country is fine, China, Russia, Iran nor any other country is going to do anything to us.

1. They should’ve shot the balloon down over Alaska.
2. This is about invading American airspace by changing the narrative you were doing exactly what you were accusing others of doing.

[Baker Boy 1,485]

5 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Happening three times under Trump without telling the public is WAY WORSE.

Yet no one saw them not people on the ground, not pilots nobody saw them. That’s how spying works. Show me a link where the Chinese invaded our airspace three times under Trump.

[Pimpadeaux 2,263]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

Yet no one saw them not people on the ground, not pilots nobody saw them. That’s how spying works. Show me a link where the Chinese invaded our airspace three times under Trump.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11714657/Three-Chinese-spy-balloons-infiltrated-Trump-administration.html

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/china-spy-balloons-crossed-u-082345593.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/conservatives-blame-biden-chinese-spy-balloon-crossed-into-us-trump-2023-2

https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1730863/chinese-spy-balloon-shot-shown-trump-dxus

[Hardcore troubadour 12,636]

14 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Here is the problem on this board, and a lot of other places, a lot of people see things only through highly, and most;y inaccurate partisan lenses. When one looks at this spy balloon story, the facts are:

A Chinese spy balloon flew over the U/S. and Canada

President Biden ordered the DOD to shoot it down

The DOD took measures to ensure that the balloon's intelligence gathering capabilities were taken out

The DOD determined that shooting it down over land poised a potential risk

Once it was over open water it was shot down immediately

Chinese spy balloons have flown over our country before, including three under Trump

 

To the right wingers:

Biden is a poosay, Trump would have shot it down

Impeach Biden

We are weaker now than ever

 

Take your partisan heads out of your partisan a$$es and maybe go outside for some fresh air. Our country is fine, China, Russia, Iran nor any other country is going to do anything to us.

You left out that he’s compromised.  The question is did that play into any of this?