New report suggests COVID pandemic's origins linked to raccoon dogs at Wuhan market

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On 3/21/2023 at 9:18 PM, The Real timschochet said:

Nope. We can’t prevent that. Nor can we really punish China in any meaningful way.  All we would manage to do is hype up ugly anti-Asian xenophobia. We don’t need it. 

Anti-Asian xenophobia….we should leave universities out of this….

[Mark Davis 69]

On 3/21/2023 at 12:30 PM, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think anyone missed it. I believe it’s reasonable to assume at least the possibility that it came out of the lab. I don’t think it’s reasonable that it was deliberate. 
 

The likelihood that some animal origination and transmission to human occurred in the one city in the world where the lab working with these viruses just happened to be is about the same as you winning the Powerball this week.  I guess in theory it's possible, but it's pretty damn far fetched.  I think it's beyond a statistical possibility, the word probability isn't enough, "near certainty" is getting closer when referencing the likelihood this came from that lab.

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On 3/22/2023 at 7:51 AM, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't need any kind of war, that would accomplish nothing.  I think @Gepetto is on the right path.  The financial burden that this country undertook was immense.  Nothing wrong with some financial forgiveness.

Not just in raw dollars, but Biden's backers are quick to point to the pandemic as a source of inflation.  Hey, I agree with them.  You know what also happened along with that?  Higher interest rates to combat inflation.  Guess who is holding a ton of our debt and will benefit, nobody should need the length of the Jeopardy Final Answer round to figure it out.  Absolutely there should be a financial penalty.

[The Real timschochet 760]

3 hours ago, Strike said:

Bump for @The Real timschochet.  Funny how you ask questions and run away when you don't like the answers or haven't gotten a talking point to address it yet.

Sorry I thought I already made my position clear. Attempting to punish China in any way won’t save us from the next pandemic: 

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19 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

Not just in raw dollars, but Biden's backers are quick to point to the pandemic as a source of inflation.  Hey, I agree with them.  You know what also happened along with that?  Higher interest rates to combat inflation.  Guess who is holding a ton of our debt and will benefit, nobody should need the length of the Jeopardy Final Answer round to figure it out.  Absolutely there should be a financial penalty.

Any financial penalty on China, even if they agreed to it, would hurt us just as much. Don’t any of you guys study history? 

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37 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Any financial penalty on China, even if they agreed to it, would hurt us just as much. Don’t any of you guys study history? 

That's a bizarre statement.  People agree to settlements all the time.  Whether intentional or not, the Chinese should have liability and definitely shouldn't be rewarded financially, which with rising rates they are getting a benefit.

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5 hours ago, Strike said:

Bump for @The Real timschochet.  Funny how you ask questions and run away when you don't like the answers or haven't gotten a talking point to address it yet.

No comment from you on all the posters here that thought the lab leak was intentional?

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sorry I thought I already made my position clear. Attempting to punish China in any way won’t save us from the next pandemic: 

Now you're moving the goalposts AGAIN.  I never used the word punish.  This is your comment I replied to:

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So why pursue this any further? 

And yes there is more to the comments but I specifically bolded the above.  And the discussion wasn't about punishing China.  It was your idiotic assertion that lots of people think the leak was deliberate.  Most people don't believe that.  They just want to know HOW it happened and PREVENT it from happening again.

[Strike 3,026]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No comment from you on all the posters here that thought the lab leak was intentional?

I was going to respond to that but then I found out you pulled a sh*t ton of them from a thread ASKING for conspiracy theories on this topic.  So, no, I'll pass.  If you're stupid enough to think all those people believe that, that's on you.  But I'm not surprised you do.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

I was going to respond to that but then I found out you pulled a sh*t ton of them from a thread ASKING for conspiracy theories on this topic.  So, no, I'll pass.  If you're stupid enough to think all those people believe that, that's on you.  But I'm not surprised you do.

They weren’t all from that thread 

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

They weren’t all from that thread 

Not ALL?  Just most?  Exactly what percentage was it?  Maybe just don't do that?  Now I have to figure out which posts you post are disingenuous and which are not?    BTW, my assertion was NEVER that NO ONE believed in that conspiracy theory either.  Here is my original post on this:

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Very few people, if any, have said it was deliberate, or even planned

Tardo

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46 minutes ago, Strike said:

Not ALL?  Just most?  Exactly what percentage was it?  Maybe just don't do that?  Now I have to figure out which posts you post are disingenuous and which are not?    BTW, my assertion was NEVER that NO ONE believed in that conspiracy theory either.  Here is my original post on this:

Tardo

Only 2 of the 7 quotes were from that thread.  5 is more than “a few,” especially consenting the pretty small number of people that post here.  Tardo. Take the L.

[Patented Phil 422]

I knew those damn coons had something to do with it.

[League Champion 349]

Don't knock it until you try it 

https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-cook-a-raccoon-the-south

[TimHauck 1,211]

On 3/24/2023 at 1:25 AM, Strike said:

Not ALL?  Just most?  Exactly what percentage was it?  Maybe just don't do that?  Now I have to figure out which posts you post are disingenuous and which are not?    BTW, my assertion was NEVER that NO ONE believed in that conspiracy theory either.  

The only 2 posts from that thread were the ones from 3/3/20 and 3/4/20.

[TimHauck 1,211]

Let me try to predict @Strike’s response for the other 5 comments.

He will say @phillybear just called it a bioweapon but did not say it was released on purpose.  Although I have a feeling if you asked him he’d say it was on purpose, and he might’ve even made a stronger statement somewhere else (I mostly just searched a couple terms including “bioweapon” and those were some of the first results).

Nonetheless, that still leaves 4, @TimmySmith, @lod001, @supermike80, and @NorthernVike.   No defending Timmy’s, Lod’s or NorthernVike’s comments IMO.  He may try to say “well supermike didn’t come out and say it,” but he said “anyone trying to claim it was only an accident is awful,” sorry not sorry that’s saying it was on purpose.

So let it be known that Strike was proven wrong in this thread but I’m sure will deny it, maybe by claiming that 4 posters out of 15ish that post here is “only a few” (lol).  Also lol that he says I’m “obsessed with him” yet called me out in this thread before I even posted in it.  What a fraud in multiple ways.

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30 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Let me try to predict @Strike’s response for the other 5 comments.

He will say @phillybear just called it a bioweapon but did not say it was released on purpose.  Although I have a feeling if you asked him he’d say it was on purpose, and he might’ve even made a stronger statement somewhere else (I mostly just searched a couple terms including “bioweapon” and those were some of the first results).

Nonetheless, that still leaves 4, @TimmySmith, @lod001, @supermike80, and @NorthernVike.   No defending Timmy’s, Lod’s or NorthernVike’s comments IMO.  He may try to say “well supermike didn’t come out and say it,” but he said “anyone trying to claim it was only an accident is awful,” sorry not sorry that’s saying it was on purpose.

So let it be known that Strike was proven wrong in this thread but I’m sure will deny it, maybe by claiming that 4 posters out of 15ish that post here is “only a few” (lol).  Also lol that he says I’m “obsessed with him” yet called me out in this thread before I even posted in it.  What a fraud in multiple ways.

Not sure why you're lumping me in on this and I don't pay attention to this thread all that much because covid is a thing of the past for me.  But let me be super clear..I do not have any evidence to believe it was deliberately released and I don't recall ever saying that.  Now, is it possible it was ab created and got out somehow?  Yeah..that's as plausible as the other theories being tossed around.

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4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Not sure why you're lumping me in on this and I don't pay attention to this thread all that much because covid is a thing of the past for me.  But let me be super clear..I do not have any evidence to believe it was deliberately released and I don't recall ever saying that.  Now, is it possible it was ab created and got out somehow?  Yeah..that's as plausible as the other theories being tossed around.

How do you explain saying “anyone trying to claim it was only an accident is awful”?

Is that not saying you believe it wasn’t an accident?

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

How do you explain saying “anyone trying to claim it was only an accident is awful”?

Is that not saying you believe it wasn’t an accident?

I sincerely don't remember saying that.  If I did..I must have been drunk.

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21 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I sincerely don't remember saying that.  If I did..I must have been drunk.

Fair enough, don’t worry @Strike will be in shortly to say I misquoted you. Sorry I used quotation marks despite taking out a couple words for brevity, but I feel strongly the context of your original quote which of course I provided also was kept in tact

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Fair enough, don’t worry @Strike will be in shortly to say I misquoted you. Sorry I used quotation marks despite taking out a couple words for brevity, but I feel strongly the context of your original quote which of course I provided also was kept in tact

Yeah I don't remember saying that because I don't ever really feel like I believed it.  Not willing to go back and look for it, but it doesn't match with  how I felt nor ever have