Guns: The No. 1 cause of death for U.S. children

[GutterBoy 1,938]

 

[Hardcore troubadour 10,943]

I remember during the democrat sanctioned riots of 2020 people running out to buy guns.  

[League Champion 1,236]

48 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

 

Did you forget the BLM riots?? That's why whites, blacks, young & old went out and bought guns. But nice try anyway.

[TheNewGirl 826]

We bought our first during the BLM riots. Been against owning one for over 25 years. Decided that maybe it's not such a bad idea. 

And don't worry, folks...I am in CA. I had to take a test to get certified to own it, back ground check, holding period of 21 days, etc. Pretty strict laws here in CA. 

[TBayXXXVII 1,904]

Interesting CDC website.  I removed 18 year old's from the criteria (because they're adults, right?), and added in children under one (because they're still children right?)... then, I took race into account.   I removed black folks from the criteria.  Weird how the numbers change.

Injury Mechanism & All Other Leading Causes	Deaths
Total	23,838
Non-Injury: Certain conditions originating in the perinatal period	6,265
Non-Injury: Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities	3,853
Non-Injury: Symptoms, signs and abnormal clinical and laboratory findings, not elsewhere classified	1,739
Motor Vehicle Traffic	1,726
Suffocation	1,510
Non-Injury: All other diseases (Residual)	1,505
Firearm	1,284
Non-Injury: Malignant neoplasms (Cancers)	1,217

 

Now, you're going to ask why I removed black folks from the criteria.  Well, probably not... you're just going to call me racist.  But, the real answer is that I believe that gang violence is a significant reason for children being killed by firearms and that my perception is that black folks, who live in liberal/leftist area's, are more likely to be in gangs and are among those involved in firearm deaths among children.  I also believe that they are NOT legal gun owners.

[TimHauck 1,480]

9 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Interesting CDC website.  I removed 18 year old's from the criteria (because they're adults, right?), and added in children under one (because they're still children right?)... then, I took race into account.   I removed black folks from the criteria.  Weird how the numbers change.

Injury Mechanism & All Other Leading Causes	Deaths
Total	23,838
Non-Injury: Certain conditions originating in the perinatal period	6,265
Non-Injury: Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities	3,853
Non-Injury: Symptoms, signs and abnormal clinical and laboratory findings, not elsewhere classified	1,739
Motor Vehicle Traffic	1,726
Suffocation	1,510
Non-Injury: All other diseases (Residual)	1,505
Firearm	1,284
Non-Injury: Malignant neoplasms (Cancers)	1,217

 

Now, you're going to ask why I removed black folks from the criteria.  Well, probably not... you're just going to call me racist.  But, the real answer is that I believe that gang violence is a significant reason for children being killed by firearms and that my perception is that black folks, who live in liberal/leftist area's, are more likely to be in gangs and are among those involved in firearm deaths among children.  I also believe that they are NOT legal gun owners.

I mean you could have at least counted the black folks as 3/5 of a person you racist POS.

[GutterBoy 1,938]

12 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Interesting CDC website.  I removed 18 year old's from the criteria (because they're adults, right?), and added in children under one (because they're still children right?)... then, I took race into account.   I removed black folks from the criteria.  Weird how the numbers change.

Injury Mechanism & All Other Leading Causes	Deaths
Total	23,838
Non-Injury: Certain conditions originating in the perinatal period	6,265
Non-Injury: Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities	3,853
Non-Injury: Symptoms, signs and abnormal clinical and laboratory findings, not elsewhere classified	1,739
Motor Vehicle Traffic	1,726
Suffocation	1,510
Non-Injury: All other diseases (Residual)	1,505
Firearm	1,284
Non-Injury: Malignant neoplasms (Cancers)	1,217

 

Now, you're going to ask why I removed black folks from the criteria.  Well, probably not... you're just going to call me racist.  But, the real answer is that I believe that gang violence is a significant reason for children being killed by firearms and that my perception is that black folks, who live in liberal/leftist area's, are more likely to be in gangs and are among those involved in firearm deaths among children.  I also believe that they are NOT legal gun owners.

OK well, since we only care about white kids, then I guess we're good. 

[TimHauck 1,480]

The Geek Club: 1 trans surgery on a minor is too many.  And that means anyone under 18, full stop.

Also the Geek Club:   I don’t think we should count 15-17 year old gang shootings as gun deaths.   Actually, you know what, I don’t think we should count black child deaths at all.

[seafoam1 1,153]

19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The Geek Club: 1 trans surgery on a minor is too many.  And that means anyone under 18, full stop.

Also the Geek Club:   I don’t think we should count 15-17 year old gang shootings as gun deaths.   Actually, you know what, I don’t think we should count black child deaths at all.

What kind of point are you trying to make?

Yes, there should be no surgery on minors for sex change.

And yes, 18 year olds do not count as child deaths.  They are adullts at 18. I would argue that many are adults at 17 as well, as does the justice system.

15 year olds are counted as child deaths, but that creeps into its own category of child deaths. Many of those deaths happen because of terrible liberal "leadership" when it comes to fighting crime. Liberals don't allow the police to fight crime and they don't allow prosecutors to prosecute crime when the cops actually do make arrests.  

You mentioned your little conundrum here of not understanding but why do you keep doing so? It only makes you look more foolish than you already are.

[TimHauck 1,480]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

What kind of point are you trying to make?

Yes, there should be no surgery on minors for sex change.

And yes, 18 year olds do not count as child deaths.  They are adullts at 18. I would argue that many are adults at 17 as well, as does the justice system.

15 year olds are counted as child deaths, but that creeps into its own category of child deaths. Many of those deaths happen because of terrible liberal "leadership" when it comes to fighting crime. Liberals don't allow the police to fight crime and they don't allow prosecutors to prosecute crime when the cops actually do make arrests.  

You mentioned your little conundrum here of not understanding but why do you keep doing so? It only makes you look more foolish than you already are.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the GC.  You guys don’t really care about kids.  Which is weird since you keep saying “But what about Chicago!!!?!?” except that’s just a whataboutism, you don’t actually care about the deaths that happen there.  If you guys did then there wouldn’t be people saying you shouldn’t count black child deaths…

[Strike 3,462]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the GC.  You guys don’t really care about kids.  Which is weird since you keep saying “But what about Chicago!!!?!?” except that’s just a whataboutism, you don’t actually care about the deaths that happen there.  If you guys did then there wouldn’t be people saying you shouldn’t count black child deaths…

No.  As in most discussions, context matters.  And, while I wouldn't "not count" the black deaths, discussing the issue with and without them is valid if it makes a significant difference.  And it appears that it does.  It tells us that for 99.5+ percent of the population this isn't an issue for their kids.  People like Rustytroll and GutterChildRapistDefender like to pretend that all kids are significantly at risk of this happening to them.  And the reality is that for the people who use this bored this is a non-issue.  I certainly have empathy for those impacted by this issue but to a large extent this is a cultural issue, not a gun issue.   And discussing the data, in context, helps us understand that.

[seafoam1 1,153]

34 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the GC.  You guys don’t really care about kids.  Which is weird since you keep saying “But what about Chicago!!!?!?” except that’s just a whataboutism, you don’t actually care about the deaths that happen there.  If you guys did then there wouldn’t be people saying you shouldn’t count black child deaths…

There is no hypocrisy. I don't think you know what that word means.

Black kids count as deaths. WTF are you talking about. We were talking about the reason for deaths.

The #1 cause is abortion. Them automobile deaths, suffocating, etc. 

If you want to say people are the cause of child deaths. I'm fine with that. Liberals are people, and cause most of them.  

Inanimate objects don't kill people. Alcohol doesn't kill alcoholics, the person kills themself with alcohol. 

Wake up dude.  

[shorepatrol 1,665]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

OK well, since we only care about white kids, then I guess we're good. 

Well I guess we are

[jonnyutah 48]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

The Geek Club: 1 trans surgery on a minor is too many.  And that means anyone under 18, full stop.

Also the Geek Club:   I don’t think we should count 15-17 year old gang shootings as gun deaths.   Actually, you know what, I don’t think we should count black child deaths at all.

Passing a law against trans surgeries on kids will stop trans surgeries on kids.

Passing a law prohibiting shooting kids hasn't stopped kids getting shot.

Passing a law banning guns won't keep gang members from shooting each other, since they don't legally obtain their guns. 

 

 

[shorepatrol 1,665]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the GC.  You guys don’t really care about kids.  Which is weird since you keep saying “But what about Chicago!!!?!?” except that’s just a whataboutism, you don’t actually care about the deaths that happen there.  If you guys did then there wouldn’t be people saying you shouldn’t count black child deaths…

Well, ya. I don't

 

[TimHauck 1,480]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

No.  As in most discussions, context matters.  And, while I wouldn't "not count" the black deaths, discussing the issue with and without them is valid if it makes a significant difference.  And it appears that it does.  It tells us that for 99.5+ percent of the population this isn't an issue for their kids.  People like Rustytroll and GutterChildRapistDefender like to pretend that all kids are significantly at risk of this happening to them.  And the reality is that for the people who use this bored this is a non-issue.  I certainly have empathy for those impacted by this issue but to a large extent this is a cultural issue, not a gun issue.   And discussing the data, in context, helps us understand that.

How is it a non-issue though?  Even based on that cherry-picked data, it’s the 5th leading cause outside of birth defects.

And even if you keep blacks segregated out (see what I did there?) but remove less than 1 year olds, firearms are still the #2 cause behind car accidents.  

In terms of school shootings in particular, it’s not really more or less likely to happen in a poor vs a well-off area.  So while the chances are low that it will happen to your kid, it’s something every parent needs to consider as a possibility.

[Pimpadeaux 1,745]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

No.  As in most discussions, context matters.  And, while I wouldn't "not count" the black deaths, discussing the issue with and without them is valid if it makes a significant difference.  And it appears that it does.  It tells us that for 99.5+ percent of the population this isn't an issue for their kids.  People like Rustytroll and GutterChildRapistDefender like to pretend that all kids are significantly at risk of this happening to them.  And the reality is that for the people who use this bored this is a non-issue.  I certainly have empathy for those impacted by this issue but to a large extent this is a cultural issue, not a gun issue.   And discussing the data, in context, helps us understand that.

Guns are the No. 1 cause of child deaths, therefore children are significantly at risk of dying from a gun shot than they are anything else.

Did you have a big slice of dumbass for dessert again tonight?

[TimHauck 1,480]

51 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Passing a law against trans surgeries on kids will stop trans surgeries on kids.

Passing a law prohibiting shooting kids hasn't stopped kids getting shot.

Passing a law banning guns won't keep gang members from shooting each other, since they don't legally obtain their guns. 

 

 

I don’t really disagree with this.  I don’t think guns should be banned, except for maybe a few types but even that I’m not super opinionated about.  I do think we can certainly add some more additional restrictions for who can purchase them though.

It’s more about the GC’s faux “protect the children” nonsense.  They don’t really want to protect the children, they just want to own the libs.

[Strike 3,462]

46 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

How is it a non-issue though?  Even based on that cherry-picked data, it’s the 5th leading cause outside of birth defects.

And even if you keep blacks segregated out (see what I did there?) but remove less than 1 year olds, firearms are still the #2 cause behind car accidents.  

In terms of school shootings in particular, it’s not really more or less likely to happen in a poor vs a well-off area.  So while the chances are low that it will happen to your kid, it’s something every parent needs to consider as a possibility.

Maybe helicopter parents.  I live about 4 miles from Columbine and would have no reservations about sending my kids to that school.  

[TimHauck 1,480]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

Maybe helicopter parents.  I live about 4 miles from Columbine and would have no reservations about sending my kids to that school.  

I'm not saying you shouldn't send your kids to school because of the risk of a school shooting, just that it's something that you need to consider as a possibility, at any school really.    

[Pimpadeaux 1,745]

 

[seafoam1 1,153]

3 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

 

generalpimpledoosh - The liberal.

 

[TBayXXXVII 1,904]

14 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I mean you could have at least counted the black folks as 3/5 of a person you racist POS.

 

14 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

OK well, since we only care about white kids, then I guess we're good. 

 

13 hours ago, TimHauck said:

The Geek Club: 1 trans surgery on a minor is too many.  And that means anyone under 18, full stop.

Also the Geek Club:   I don’t think we should count 15-17 year old gang shootings as gun deaths.   Actually, you know what, I don’t think we should count black child deaths at all.

Typical responses from the typical morons.  Democrats continually make policies that have a greater negative impact on black folks than white folks.  When people point them out, dumbazzes like you two like to throw shade on the wrong side.  Democrat policy makers love the ignorance that you people display on these boards every day.

[TimHauck 1,480]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

 

Typical responses from the typical morons.  Democrats continually make policies that have a greater negative impact on black folks than white folks.  When people point them out, dumbazzes like you two like to throw shade on the wrong side.  Democrat policy makers love the ignorance that you people display on these boards every day.

You can criticize Democrat policies all you want.  That doesn’t mean the people you think are effected by them don’t count.  JFC

[TBayXXXVII 1,904]

12 hours ago, Strike said:

No.  As in most discussions, context matters.  And, while I wouldn't "not count" the black deaths, discussing the issue with and without them is valid if it makes a significant difference.  And it appears that it does.  It tells us that for 99.5+ percent of the population this isn't an issue for their kids.  People like Rustytroll and GutterChildRapistDefender like to pretend that all kids are significantly at risk of this happening to them.  And the reality is that for the people who use this bored this is a non-issue.  I certainly have empathy for those impacted by this issue but to a large extent this is a cultural issue, not a gun issue.   And discussing the data, in context, helps us understand that.

The not counting black deaths was pointing out the impact of liberal policies on black folks.  The numbers prove it.  Black people make up 13% of the population, yet, among children deaths, black folks make up around 40% of the firearm related deaths.  Pretty significant, don't you think?

[TBayXXXVII 1,904]

Just now, TimHauck said:

You can criticize Democrat policies all you want.  That doesn’t mean the people you think are effected by them don’t count.  JFC

You're not too smart are you?  Look at your post at the number of child deaths from firearms.  What was it, 2200 (17 and under)?  I noted that the number of child deaths (when not counting black folks), was around 1300.  So, 2200 children deaths in the country from firearms and black folks (who make up 13% of the population), account for 40% of those.  People like you see that, and just like your Democrat buddies, you point the finger at someone other than the people who are actually making the policies.

[Hardcore troubadour 10,943]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You're not too smart are you?  Look at your post at the number of child deaths from firearms.  What was it, 2200 (17 and under)?  I noted that the number of child deaths (when not counting black folks), was around 1300.  So, 2200 children deaths in the country from firearms and black folks (who make up 13% of the population), account for 40% of those.  People like you see that, and just like your Democrat buddies, you point the finger at someone other than the people who are actually making the policies.

They hate facts. Look at them getting mad about them. Black people live in cities. Cities have more crime. Cut down on the crime in cities and black people benefit. Pretty simple. 

[TBayXXXVII 1,904]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They hate facts. Look at them getting mad about them. Black people live in cities. Cities have more crime. Cut down on the crime in cities and black people benefit. Pretty simple. 

Yup.  Typical quick trigger to "racist" instead of looking at the impact of their policies.

[Hardcore troubadour 10,943]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Yup.  Typical... quick trigger to "racist" instead of looking at the impact of their policies.

In order to solve a problem you have to understand it. They aren’t interested in either. Just emotions.  

[TimHauck 1,480]

9 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You're not too smart are you?  Look at your post at the number of child deaths from firearms.  What was it, 2200 (17 and under)?  I noted that the number of child deaths (when not counting black folks), was around 1300.  So, 2200 children deaths in the country from firearms and black folks (who make up 13% of the population), account for 40% of those.  People like you see that, and just like your Democrat buddies, you point the finger at someone other than the people who are actually making the policies.

So the only reason for gun deaths among blacks is liberal policies?   

[TBayXXXVII 1,904]

Just now, TimHauck said:

So the only reason for gun deaths among blacks is liberal policies?   

It's a big reason.  Look at the obvious.  What is your time range that you used?  Was it 1990 to 2020?  When was the Crime Bill written?  Coincidence.... I think not.

[TimHauck 1,480]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

It's a big reason.  Look at the obvious.  What is your time range that you used?  Was it 1990 to 2020?  When was the Crime Bill written?  Coincidence.... I think not.

What time range?  

[TBayXXXVII 1,904]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What time range?  

From your CDC link.  It was 1990... or was it 1999 to 2020?

[TimHauck 1,480]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

From your CDC link.  It was 1990... or was it 1999 to 2020?

It was 2020 only

[Hardcore troubadour 10,943]

7 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

From your CDC link.  It was 1990... or was it 1999 to 2020?

These people have no clue how street crime works. In NYC, when SQF was rampant, the mopes stopped carrying. They still had their guns, but they kept them close by. Why? Two reasons: they knew they had a good chance of being stopped, and if they were collared for a gun, they were going to do time. Even if it was waiting at Rikers for their court date. What has happened is cops aren’t stopping them, and BFD if they do get caught. They are let right out and at worst they are looking at a plea down. Taking guns off the street is a two fold endeavor, the cops and the courts. Neither are working together right now, and the bad guys know it. Don’t ever think they don’t know what’s up. 

[TBayXXXVII 1,904]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It was 2020 only

Ok, just the data available is from 1999 to 2020.

So, the Summer of Love year, eh?  Happening mostly in big cities?  Yeah, no surprise there that black children accounted for 40% of the firearm deaths that year.

[GutterBoy 1,938]

52 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The not counting black deaths was pointing out the impact of liberal policies on black folks.  The numbers prove it.  Black people make up 13% of the population, yet, among children deaths, black folks make up around 40% of the firearm related deaths.  Pretty significant, don't you think?

You removed black people as to point out that it's Liberal policies that drive gun deaths? And these liberal policies only affect black people?

How about firearm deaths by state? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Red States leading the way.  For all races.  

Your mental gymnastics belong in the special olympics.  Just stop.

[GutterBoy 1,938]

13 hours ago, Strike said:

No.  As in most discussions, context matters.  And, while I wouldn't "not count" the black deaths, discussing the issue with and without them is valid if it makes a significant difference.  And it appears that it does.  It tells us that for 99.5+ percent of the population this isn't an issue for their kids.  People like Rustytroll and GutterChildRapistDefender like to pretend that all kids are significantly at risk of this happening to them.  And the reality is that for the people who use this bored this is a non-issue.  I certainly have empathy for those impacted by this issue but to a large extent this is a cultural issue, not a gun issue.   And discussing the data, in context, helps us understand that.

Another racist blaming black culture for childhood gun violence.  As if we couldn't go any lower, Strike proves us wrong.  And he calls me a child rapist defender, what a POS.

Also I never said that all kids are significantly at risk, but all kids are at risk.  More at risk of being shot than having a Dr force them to have a sex change operation.

[GutterBoy 1,938]

46 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They hate facts. Look at them getting mad about them. Black people live in cities. Cities have more crime. Cut down on the crime in cities and black people benefit. Pretty simple. 

Is anyone here against reducing crime in cities?  Shut the fock up.

[TBayXXXVII 1,904]

From 2017 to 2019, you know, when Trump was inciting violence among the masses (according to the Democrats), firearm deaths (children), by race:

• White: 4188 (3050 when looking at UNDER 18)
• Black:  3101 (1982 when looking at UNDER 18)

So, in the 3 years before Democrats promoted the "Defund the Police" agenda their version of criminal justice reform, 1982 black children (under 18), were killed via firearms... yet, in 2020, 992.  An average of 660 per year to almost 1000.  That's an increase of 50%.  Yeah, NOTHING to do with Democrat policies, right?