Ray_T 552 Posted July 10 15 hours ago, weepaws said: I would like to think you for the reply, I’m not sure I can agree, I think Wilson desire might be his biggest problem, he is 34 now and I just have a feeling he might not be a 30 td Qb anymore even with Payton as his coach. Wilsons per game avg last season was just a little lower then his last season with the Hawks. Anyway we shall see. It is hard to say what the issue is there, but bringing in a better offensive coach wont hurt him. I'm also a believer in Payton but like you, I dont know how much Wilson has left in the tank. I wouldnt be surprised to see a bump in his stats due to better coaching, but I dont know that I'd put him back up there as a high end QB1 anymore. those days may be done. I still have not decided where I'd rank him. Likely I have him as a top quality back up (QB2) in most formats. if he looks great in camp, maybe he becomes a low end starter in 12 team leagues. but I wouldnt be drafting him early. I'll say that much for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,015 Posted July 10 Better coaching is going to help, Wilson reaching the 30 plus td mark I’m not so sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolves111 60 Posted August 2 On 6/22/2023 at 1:18 PM, weepaws said: That’s okay. Thanks. Didn’t take long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,015 Posted August 2 Bummer for Kupp, ff world takes a hit. I hope he can return soon like what’s being reported. If so heck he will be ff wr1. Stay toon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justforbeer 32 Posted August 2 On 7/9/2023 at 4:39 PM, FrancieFootball said: Yes, we should make a note of this and and follow along as the season goes on. Hopefully Javonte Williams bounces back. Culture is so important to a team, and ugly things happen when you don't have it. A Sean Payton culture alone should help Wilson. We shall see! Russ then you go into culture being so important? R Wilson is not as good because he is old, short and slow. FACTS. Years ago, he was young and fast. He can't make the same plays he used to. Now his height (5'10 +1/2") is becoming a bigger issue, he was elusive and would get out of the pocket and make plays (run or pass). He has lost a step and that is wreaking havoc on his past success and talent. No way is Payton going to make that better. He had a natural Passer in Brees, and was lucky to have him. If you think Payton is going to magically make Russ taller and younger, well, I have some magic beans to sell you.... Culture....Not that important. Acutally Winning creates culture. Take NE Patriots. It has become pretty evident that it was not Belichick that won those titles, it was BRADY. Brady won without him in Tampa too. But everyone is selling the NE way/Belichick way and that was the culture you are speaking of yes? HA HA! How was Bill before Brady (record 35-45) and how is he after (.500). TRASH. Lastly, A Sean Payton Culture? You mean the one where you would get paid to inflict injuries on players? That culture? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justforbeer 32 Posted August 2 Bounce Back Players QB - TUA *So Many Weapons.... To a lesser - LAMAR JACKSON & STAFFORD. RB - CAM AKERS To a lesser extent KAMARA & J TAYLOR. WR - M. PITTMAN & D. HOPKINS TE - WALLER I know it is hard to say Tua is a comeback but from all of those concussions, if he plays a full season, it would be big numbers. For 2022 he played about 12 1/2 games. IF, and that is a big if, he played a full 17 last year would have looked something like this..... 4,825 yds passing +34 TDS Passing or possibly better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolves111 60 Posted August 2 3 hours ago, weepaws said: Bummer for Kupp, ff world takes a hit. I hope he can return soon like what’s being reported. If so heck he will be ff wr1. Stay toon. Bad hill to die on. Old, breaking down wr, bottom five team, QB cooked, not a good bet this year. It’s ok to be wrong. That’s what separates us from God. Lose your pride. It’s holding you back. Speaking from experience Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,015 Posted August 2 21 minutes ago, wolves111 said: Bad hill to die on. Old, breaking down wr, bottom five team, QB cooked, not a good bet this year. It’s ok to be wrong. That’s what separates us from God. Lose your pride. It’s holding you back. Speaking from experience Absolutely it’s okay to be wrong, could you imagine if I was never wrong as it pertain to ff, when I’m wrong let me know, and I’ll do like I’ve done in the past apologize, but I’m not wrong, not yet. I’m sorry about your pride issue, it’s not something I’ve had a problem with, looks like your still working on it, I would say the biggest issue since I became a Christian as been , Christians who walk in sin, like you said you do, go and sin no more said Jesus. Come on fool dummy up. God bless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,015 Posted August 2 2 hours ago, justforbeer said: Russ then you go into culture being so important? R Wilson is not as good because he is old, short and slow. FACTS. Years ago, he was young and fast. He can't make the same plays he used to. Now his height (5'10 +1/2") is becoming a bigger issue, he was elusive and would get out of the pocket and make plays (run or pass). He has lost a step and that is wreaking havoc on his past success and talent. No way is Payton going to make that better. He had a natural Passer in Brees, and was lucky to have him. If you think Payton is going to magically make Russ taller and younger, well, I have some magic beans to sell you.... Culture....Not that important. Acutally Winning creates culture. Take NE Patriots. It has become pretty evident that it was not Belichick that won those titles, it was BRADY. Brady won without him in Tampa too. But everyone is selling the NE way/Belichick way and that was the culture you are speaking of yes? HA HA! How was Bill before Brady (record 35-45) and how is he after (.500). TRASH. Lastly, A Sean Payton Culture? You mean the one where you would get paid to inflict injuries on players? That culture? Brees was old , short, and slow, and look at what Payton did for him. Mmmm 🥳 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,015 Posted August 2 2 hours ago, justforbeer said: Bounce Back Players QB - TUA *So Many Weapons.... To a lesser - LAMAR JACKSON & STAFFORD. RB - CAM AKERS To a lesser extent KAMARA & J TAYLOR. WR - M. PITTMAN & D. HOPKINS TE - WALLER I know it is hard to say Tua is a comeback but from all of those concussions, if he plays a full season, it would be big numbers. For 2022 he played about 12 1/2 games. IF, and that is a big if, he played a full 17 last year would have looked something like this..... 4,825 yds passing +34 TDS Passing or possibly better. Tua is one good hit away from taking a seat on the rocker. But I do Waller. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolves111 60 Posted August 2 22 minutes ago, weepaws said: Absolutely it’s okay to be wrong, could you imagine if I was never wrong as it pertain to ff, when I’m wrong let me know, and I’ll do like I’ve done in the past apologize, but I’m not wrong, not yet. I’m sorry about your pride issue, it’s not something I’ve had a problem with, looks like your still working on it, I would say the biggest issue since I became a Christian as been , Christians who walk in sin, like you said you do, go and sin no more said Jesus. Come on fool dummy up. God bless. I hope for your sake that someday you truly understand what it means to be a Christian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,015 Posted August 2 35 minutes ago, wolves111 said: I hope for your sake that someday you truly understand what it means to be a Christian. I pray that for the sake of your soul , you become one today, and if you clam to be one now, stop walking in shame , show some good fruit and praise God’s Holy Name. Now go and sin no more, remove that wood out of your own eye before, be you start judging a righteous person, a righteous person is judge by no man , but a righteous person doesJudge all things that are not righteous. Good day sir, I said good day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolves111 60 Posted August 3 5 minutes ago, weepaws said: I pray that for the sake of your soul , you become one today, and if you clam to be one now, stop walking in shame , show some good fruit and praise God’s Holy Name. Now go and sin no more, remove that wood out of your own eye before, be you start judging a righteous person, a righteous person is judge by no man , but a righteous person done in Judge all things that are not righteous. Good day sir, I said good day. You seriously should seek help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justforbeer 32 Posted August 3 2 hours ago, weepaws said: Brees was old , short, and slow, and look at what Payton did for him. Mmmm 🥳 Yeah...look at his last 2 years when he was his oldest. Brees was 6ft, not a runner and was insanely accurate. Very different QB. More like Brady. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,015 Posted August 3 13 hours ago, justforbeer said: Yeah...look at his last 2 years when he was his oldest. Brees was 6ft, not a runner and was insanely accurate. Very different QB. More like Brady. And who was his head coach? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justforbeer 32 Posted August 3 2 hours ago, weepaws said: And who was his head coach? Yes, Payton was not his coach. But without the right talent, none of this matters. See Belichick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,015 Posted August 3 37 minutes ago, justforbeer said: Yes, Payton was not his coach. But without the right talent, none of this matters. See Belichick. Without the right coach, and Hackett wasn’t the right head coach, like Peyton said, Hackett sucked as the Broncos head coach, the right head coach has the right coaching team to get the most out of the talent the team has, Wilson isn’t going to be great, but he’s going to be much better with a better team of coaches working with him imo, in which will rise the bar of that talent around Wilson. See Belichick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justforbeer 32 Posted August 3 1 hour ago, weepaws said: Without the right coach, and Hackett wasn’t the right head coach, like Peyton said, Hackett sucked as the Broncos head coach, the right head coach has the right coaching team to get the most out of the talent the team has, Wilson isn’t going to be great, but he’s going to be much better with a better team of coaches working with him imo, in which will rise the bar of that talent around Wilson. See Belichick. It is PAYTON. I see Belichick and he is a .500 coach without Brady. Sean Payton, Amazing coach as he won all of those Superbowls (1)! Oh and don't forget his 3 years of mediocrity as Offensive Cooridinator with the NYG. Dude is an average coach. His first 4 years as a QB coach were mediocre too. BREES was why he was successful. He would have been nothing without Brees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,015 Posted August 3 28 minutes ago, justforbeer said: It is PAYTON. I see Belichick and he is a .500 coach without Brady. Sean Payton, Amazing coach as he won all of those Superbowls (1)! Oh and don't forget his 3 years of mediocrity as Offensive Cooridinator with the NYG. Dude is an average coach. His first 4 years as a QB coach were mediocre too. BREES was why he was successful. He would have been nothing without Brees. Right the coach can make the difference. We agree. I think Wilson will have a better season under Payton. So we agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrancieFootball 58 Posted August 4 On 8/2/2023 at 3:26 PM, justforbeer said: Russ then you go into culture being so important? R Wilson is not as good because he is old, short and slow. FACTS. Years ago, he was young and fast. He can't make the same plays he used to. Now his height (5'10 +1/2") is becoming a bigger issue, he was elusive and would get out of the pocket and make plays (run or pass). He has lost a step and that is wreaking havoc on his past success and talent. No way is Payton going to make that better. He had a natural Passer in Brees, and was lucky to have him. If you think Payton is going to magically make Russ taller and younger, well, I have some magic beans to sell you.... Culture....Not that important. Acutally Winning creates culture. Take NE Patriots. It has become pretty evident that it was not Belichick that won those titles, it was BRADY. Brady won without him in Tampa too. But everyone is selling the NE way/Belichick way and that was the culture you are speaking of yes? HA HA! How was Bill before Brady (record 35-45) and how is he after (.500). TRASH. Lastly, A Sean Payton Culture? You mean the one where you would get paid to inflict injuries on players? That culture? We shall see, but I'm sticking to my guns on this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justforbeer 32 Posted September 11 On 8/3/2023 at 8:54 PM, FrancieFootball said: We shall see, but I'm sticking to my guns on this one. Yep, bad QB play and bad coaching so you’re pretty much blew that one. maybe there’s fantasy soccer for ya? meanwhile, TUA WENT OFF! also, Pittman had a nice game too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
